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Title: State Proposes Bold Law to Treat Pot Like Tobacco And Expunge All Records of Marijuana “Crimes”
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Activist Post
URL Source: http://www.activistpost.com/2016/09 ... -records-marijuana-crimes.html
Published: Sep 27, 2016
Author: Claire Bernish
Post Date: 2016-09-28 07:51:26 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 31071
Comments: 181
Bold legislation introduced in New Jersey last week would not only treat cannabis like tobacco — legalizing it — but would expunge records for individuals previously convicted of certain marijuana-related ‘crimes.’ Should the bill, A4193, pass, convenience stores would be permitted to sell cannabis alongside cigarettes — available to anyone aged 19 and older. “This bill would legalize marijuana by removing all criminal liability associated with marijuana from the New Jersey Code of Criminal Justice … as well as its regulation as a controlled dangerous substance under the New Jersey Controlled Dangerous Substances Act,” the proposed law states. Sponsored by Assemblyman Michael Patrick Carroll — once deemed the state Legislature’s “Most Conservative” member, as the Newark Patch pointed out — the legislation “[l]egalizes marijuana and provides for records expungement for certain past marijuana offenses; treats marijuana products similar to tobacco products, including the use of civil penalties for providing marijuana to persons under 19 years of age.” Carroll’s bill audacious thumbs its nose at the DEA’s vehemently criticized decision this year not to reschedule cannabis from its current inexplicable designation as a dangerous substance of no medical value, akin to heroin or cocaine. “To me it’s just not a big deal,” Carroll told Politico. “It’s already ubiquitous. Anybody who thinks this is somehow going to increase the availability of marijuana has never been 19. If that’s the case, then what’s the big deal about having it available at the local 7-Eleven?” Alcohol, after all, is a standard fixture at convenience stores and gas stations, with store owners facing fines and other civil penalties for underage distribution. “The whole point here is to get the government out of the business of treating at least marijuana use as a crime and treat it instead as a social problem,” Carroll continued, adding he’s never tried cannabis, personally. “You’re talking to the world’s most boring, straightest guy,” he said. “I’ve never popped a pill, never smoked a joint, nothing. I’ve never quite understood the all the allure of this stuff.” Apparently, though, he doesn’t feel his personal views concerning substances should override contrary opinions and choices. On the surface, the right-wing lawmaker would seem the last person sponsoring legislation taking such a radical departure from federal law — but on issues of personal freedom, his stances align most closely with libertarian philosophy. Carroll not only co-sponsored New Jersey’s medical cannabis legislation, in April he proposed lowering the state’s drinking age to 18, saying, according to the Patch, If you’re old enough to make the determination you want to enlist in the Marines, you’re old enough to determine if you want to have a beer. Despite an overwhelming public perception cannabis should at least be decriminalized and growing national disillusionment with the failed drug war — with the resultant largest prison population in the world, gang violence, strengthening of Mexican cartels, epidemic-level police violence, and inability of those in need to get life-saving medical cannabis treatment — the Drug Enforcement Agency opted to maintain marijuana prohibition this year. Should the proposed law indeed pass, New Jersey would join Alaska, Colorado, Washington, and Oregon in legal, recreational weed. In fact, degrees of decriminalization and legalization — mostly for medical use — exist in half the states in the nation. November’s election will likely expand those numbers. Ballot measures could potentially legalize recreational use in varying degrees in California, Nevada, Massachusetts, Arizona, and Nevada — and although they aren’t all expected to pass, the segment of the population arguing against legalization shrinks seemingly by the month. New Jersey lawmakers are attempting a multi-pronged approach to legalizing weed. Another bill, A2068, filed in January by Assemblyman Reed Gusciora — ironically, one of the most liberal members of the state Legislature — and State Sen. Nicholas Scutari would legalize cannabis and treat it akin to alcohol. A third is expected after several legislators, including Gusciora and Scutari, return from an information-gathering field trip examining legalization in Colorado in October. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie — whom Carroll refers to as “the Fat Man” — will almost certainly veto any legislation concerning cannabis. But his tenure in office draws to a close just over a year from now. “We would like to get the ball rolling, even with this governor and even if he vetoes it, the choice then could be made to put it on the ballot through the Legislature or set the groundwork for the next administration,” Gusciora told Politico. “I think it’s only a matter of time.” Claire Bernish writes for TheFreeThoughtProject.com, where this article first appeared.
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
The author misses the point. Legalization implies societal acceptance. Do we want teens smoking marijuana the way they smoke cigarettes?
Bullshit - I'd crash the LF server listing all the acts that are legal but not societally accepted: for just one instance, belittling one's wife and/or children in public.
Legalizing a formerly illegal product or act implies societal acceptance. Better? Or would you like me to post a graph of abortions, pre- and post-Roe v wade?
Yeah, it does. Oh well. It's better than continuing the war on marijuana. The loss of pride in socially accepting pot smoking is less expensive than the general destruction that continues under the prohibition regime. Pot is like smoking hard liquor - about as bad as cigarettes on the health, about as bad as hard liquor on the mind. Millions are going to do it, law enforcement is capricious, and the prohibition game is not worth the candle. Hard liquor is destructive - that's why we had Prohibition. But it's not destructive ENOUGH to have continued to endure the other destruction brought by Prohibition, so we re- legalized alcohol. Same thing is true with pot. Legalizing heroin would be insane. Pot ain't heroin.
Plenty of drugs out there that ain't heroin. You propose legalizing them all under that standard? Hard to justify legalizing marijuana and not the others. And how do you propose to legalize marijuana nationwide and not violate the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs international treaty?
I don't. This is 'Murica. Fuck the treaty. Or rather, "abrogate" it.
And when Mexico, in retaliation for Trump's wall, legalizes meth and floods our country with it that's OK with you, also. Hey. As long as you get your precious marijuana legalized, f**k everyone else, right?
MY precious marijuana? Never used the stuff. Think that people who do are fools. Think that it rots the brain. Trump will put up that wall and seriously cut back drugs. Meth is made in America. Every trailer you see out there in the countryside has a meth lab in it. Marijuana kills people in about the same time that it takes cigarettes and beer to do it. Meth kills people in about 3 years. So, if the Mexicans go ahead and decide to commit SUICIDE by legalizing meth, then we won't need the wall much by the end of Trump's second term. The Mexicans will all be dead from meth. You don't like marijuana, but you really HATE the idea of being FORCED off of a law that you agree with. We all hate that. Nevertheless, that's what happened to the Christian Ladies who got their Temperance Movement law erected as Prohibition, but then saw themselves unable to keep that law, because it didn't work. In the end, no compromise was really found with them. They were simply overpowered and the law they loved was struck down by superior force. That's really how things work politically: law is determined by naked power, not wisdom. If the cops keep shooting people, the public backlash will eventually result in a fundamental shift of power against them, just like we were eventually forced to pull out of Vietnam and lose the war, because the people just were not going to stand it anymore.
Not really: But heavy use of pot,does transmogrify you into an alien:
I guarantee you that if honestly studied, we would discover that any direct inhalation of any burnt leaves directly into the lungs increases death risk and reduces longevity by about the same proportion, due to soot and lung damage. The current science has exhaustive statistics on tobacco, which has been studied extensively in large audiences long term routine use. Similar data does not exist for marijuana. If the number is showing as ZERO, and pretending that's REAL, it's self- evidently bullshit. Standing around a campfire breathing log fire soot every day reduces lifespan. Working in dark rooms lit by candles results in lung problems. Sitting around incense filled rooms does the same. There is no way on God's green earth that directly inhaling substantial amounts of marijuana smoke directly into the lungs does not do the same harm that any other soot does. If the science says "0", then the science is an ass, isn't real, and must be rejected as untrue. It is OBVIOUS that inhaling fresh soot will most certainly cause lung problems. We know that. Marijuana is not a magical unicorn. It's a burning leaf that puts off big plumes of smoke. The smoke doesn't stop being harmful because it's a treasured drug. And if the science says otherwise, the science itself is a lie, is false, is untrue, and must be disregarded as not being real. Get real scientists to really test it - hell, test it on live non-smokers in countries where it's legal. Take a bunch of non-smokers and then divide the group into a group that take up marijuana smoking, and a group that remains free of it. Track them through life. People who smoke ANYTHING will CERTAINLY not be as healthy, over time, as people who smoke nothing. We don't need scientists to tell us the obvious. And if scientists actually tell us something like that "0 harm" statistics, then they're still full of shit and obviously did the experiment wrong.
You forget one thing. One joint can be for few people and effects can last for hours. On the other hand a heavy cigarette smoker can have 2 packs a day - 40 cigarettes together. So it could be 100x difference in inhaling smoke.
-- Street marijuana can contain unknown impurities. Meaning, all this factors into any comparison to tobacco.
Yes, they can. That is why they should be regulated. Even if were so, still you smoke them in minute amount comparing to cigarettes. More regulations and open competition could lower tar as it did with tobacco. Regulations, coming into open and competition will fix it. No reason not to add filter, other than maximizing effect of hard to get substance. OMG, how do you know?! Do you get munchies too? ;) Whitey the Pothead coming out of closet.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest"Anybody who thinks this is somehow going to increase the availability of marijuana has never been 19."
#5. To: misterwhite (#1)
Legalization implies societal acceptance.
#10. To: ConservingFreedom (#5)
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#11. To: misterwhite (#10)
Legalizing a formerly illegal product or act implies societal acceptance.
#13. To: Vicomte13 (#11)
"Legalizing heroin would be insane. Pot ain't heroin."
#29. To: misterwhite (#13)
And how do you propose to legalize marijuana nationwide and not violate the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs international treaty?
#45. To: Vicomte13 (#29)
"I don't. This is 'Murica. Fuck the treaty. Or rather, "abrogate" it."
#49. To: misterwhite (#45)
Hey. As long as you get your precious marijuana legalized, f**k everyone else, right?
#58. To: Vicomte13 (#49)
Marijuana kills people in about the same time that it takes cigarettes and beer to do it.
#61. To: A Pole (#58)
#70. To: Vicomte13 (#61)
I guarantee you that if honestly studied, we would discover that any direct inhalation of any burnt leaves directly into the lungs increases death risk and reduces longevity by about the same proportion, due to soot and lung damage.
#74. To: A Pole (#70)
"So it could be 100x difference in inhaling smoke."
-- Marijuana contains twice the carcinogens and four times the tar as cigarettes
-- Joints vary in size, so you can't compare them apples-to-apples with cigarettes.
-- Joints are smoked unfiltered
-- Users draw marijuana smoke deep into the lungs and hold it
-- Joints are smoked down to the last tar-and-carcinogen-soaked millimeter
#80. To: misterwhite (#74)
-- Street marijuana can contain unknown impurities.
-- Marijuana contains twice the carcinogens and four times the tar as cigarettes
-- Joints vary in size, so you can't compare them apples-to-apples with cigarettes.
-- Joints are smoked unfiltered
-- Users draw marijuana smoke deep into the lungs and hold it
-- Joints are smoked down to the last tar-and-carcinogen-soaked millimeter 
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