This thread was a FNC post of Hannity's Town Hall with Trump where Trump made a bunch of pro-amnesty comments, with FULL video, that JR doesn't want to defend. So he deleted the entire thread.
This thread has been pulled on 08/25/2016 2:29:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson, reason: garbage propaganda
Trump said he wants to follow the law and how is that pro amnesty?
Law states you find them you deport them. What is pro Amnesty about that?
I think where Trump has changed is that he went from lets find them and deport them to we will follow the law and deport them when they come onto our governments radar.
He has said no special treatment. No front of the line for citizenship and if you commit a crime you lose the ability to become a citizen.
What I see is more anti trump which means Clinton will become president. Then you can kiss the GOP goodbye along with any chance of anyone right of center becoming anything more than a punching bag for government. This is America's last stand.
#10. To: Justified, ConservingFreedom, nolu chan, hondo68 (#4)
Trump said he wants to follow the law and how is that pro amnesty?
On Wednesday, Trump told Hannity there would be "no citizenship" for those illegal immigrants. "Let me go a step further- they'll pay back-taxes, they have to pay taxes, there's no amnesty, as such, there's no amnesty, but we work with them," Trump said. He also spoke of how hard it would be to deport people who have lived in the country for decades and raised a family.
"Now, everybody agrees we get the bad ones out," Trump said. "But when I go through and I meet thousands and thousands of people on this subject, and I've had very strong people come up to me, really great, great people come up to me, and they've said, 'Mr. Trump, I love you, but to take a person who's been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and their family out, it's so tough, Mr. Trump,' I have it all the time! It's a very, very hard thing."
He added that he is expected to announce a decision on his stance regarding illegal immigration "very soon."
#22. To: TrappedInMd, Justified, ConservingFreedom, hondo68 (#10)
Trump said he wants to follow the law and how is that pro amnesty?
On Wednesday, Trump told Hannity there would be "no citizenship" for those illegal immigrants. "Let me go a step further- they'll pay back-taxes, they have to pay taxes, there's no amnesty, as such, there's no amnesty, but we work with them," Trump said. He also spoke of how hard it would be to deport people who have lived in the country for decades and raised a family.
Naturalization eligibility requires one be an alien, who is legally in the country. The illegal aliens (or undocumented immigrants) are not legally in the country. Giving them legal status as aliens, lawfully in the country would remove a legal impediment to being considered for naturalization.
Visa overstays are aliens, unlawfully in the country. It is legally possible (with difficulties) for these people to adjust their status while in the United States and avoid time bars.
Persons who overstay their visas and accrue more than 180 days but less than 1 year of unauthorized stay are barred from reentering the U.S. for 3 years from date of departure. With more than 1 year of unauthorized stay, they are time barred for 10 years from date of departure.
Those persons who entered without going through immigration are better described, for technical reasons, as undocumented immigrants. They have no municipal status whatsoever. Officially, they are neither citizen nor alien. They are officially neither aliens, nor legally in the country. They cannot adjust the status they do not have. The only existing legal recourse is to leave the country and enter the U.S. lawfully. They have no way to avoid the time bars.
Of course, the law can be changed. And there is a cell phone and a pen.
Granting people status as aliens lawfully in the country, whose behavior has made them ineligible under law, can hardly be anything other than a form of amnesty.
Amnesty. A sovereign act of forgiveness for past acts, granted by a government to al persons (or to certain classes of persons) who have been guilty of crime or delict, generally political offenses, — treason, sedition, rebellion, drft evasion — and often conditioned upon their return to obedience and duty within a prescribed time. The 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act provided amnesty for many undocumented aliens alread present in the country.
Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Ed.
A grant of legal status does not confer a grant of citizenship, but removes the main impediments to apply for naturalization.
Naturalization eligibility requires one be an alien, who is legally in the country. The illegal aliens (or undocumented immigrants) are not legally in the country. Giving them legal status as aliens, lawfully in the country would remove a legal impediment to being considered for naturalization.
This has been such a gray area for a long time. Many are here who are not legal aliens are given legal status to remain in the country even when they entered unlawfully. They became legal residents and even US citizens by paying a stiff fine and jumping through hoops, but they weren't deported.
Naturalization eligibility requires one be an alien, who is legally in the country. The illegal aliens (or undocumented immigrants) are not legally in the country. Giving them legal status as aliens, lawfully in the country would remove a legal impediment to being considered for naturalization.
This has been such a gray area for a long time. Many are here who are not legal aliens are given legal status to remain in the country even when they entered unlawfully. They became legal residents and even US citizens by paying a stiff fine and jumping through hoops, but they weren't deported.
Naturalization is the grant of citizenship. Giving legal status is not a grant of citizenship, but a legalization of status. Legalization paves the way to citizenship by removing very problematic impediments to naturalization. See section 316a for time of lawful residence requirements.
Sec. 316. (a) No person, except as otherwise provided in this title shall be naturalized unless such petitioner, (1) immediately preceding the date of filing his petition for naturalization has resided continuously, after being lawfully admitted for permanent residence, within the United States for at least five years and during the five years immediately preceding the date of filing his petition has been physically present therein for periods totaling at least half of that time, and who has resided with the State in which the petitioner filed the petition for at least six months, (2) has resided continuously within the United States from the date of the petition up to the time of admission to citizenship, and (3) during all the periods referred to in this subsection has been and still is a person of good moral character, attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States.
To be eligible for naturalization, one must be an alien. A slave was a person with no status. After the 13th Amendment, the freedmen were lawfully present in the country but they were not aliens and were ineligible for naturalization. Thus, the 14th Amendment was necessary.
