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Title: Taxpayers on the Hook as Obamacare Exchanges Near the Edge of Collapse
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Published: Aug 13, 2016
Author: Phil Kerpen
Post Date: 2016-08-13 09:35:51 by Justified
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The health insurance exchanges that are the beating heart of Obamacare are on the edge of collapse, with premiums rising sharply for ever narrower provider networks, non-profit health co-ops shuttering their doors, and even the biggest insurance companies heading for the exits amid mounting losses. Even the liberal Capitol Hill newspaper is warning of a possible “Obamacare meltdown” this fall.

Three states – Alaska, Alabama, and Wyoming – are already down to just a single insurance company, as are large parts of several other states, totaling at least 664 counties.

UnitedHealth is pulling out completely, Humana is pulling out of 88 percent of counties it was in, and last weak Aetna strongly suggested it will be exiting, too, unless it gets bribed to stay with a huge, annual infusion of direct corporate bailout payments from taxpayers.

Dealing with the wreckage will be at the top of the agenda for the new president and Congress next year, and their options will be limited – especially if, as appears likely, we will continue to have divided government. Most Democrats would prefer moving toward a totally government-run system while Republicans continue to favor repeal.

The most likely outcome, then, is the muddled middle, keeping gravely ill Obamacare on life support, with the major policy fight being over the extent to which taxpayers should be forced to provide billions in direct corporate bailout cash infusions.

Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini was pretty blatant in a recent interview with Zachary Tracer of Bloomberg.

Here’s the key part:

“Rather than transferring money among insurers, the law should be changed to subsidize insurers with government funds, Bertolini said. ‘It needs to be a non-zero sum pool in order to fix it,’ Bertolini said. Right now, insurers ‘that are less worse off pay for those that are worse off.’”

In other words: everybody is losing money, so taxpayers need to pick up the tab.

The Obama administration is already playing fast and loose with the law to shovel as many bailout bucks to insurers as they can – on top of Obamacare’s huge subsidies to lower income consumers and a penalty tax on people who don’t buy in. They shortchanged taxpayers by $3.5 billion that, contrary to law, they sent to insurance companies instead. And their legal posture in a $5 billion lawsuit to contravene a funding restriction expressly enacted by Congress to prevent a bailout via the so-called risk corridor program amount to a promise that they will somehow get them paid in the future.

Democrats will likely support legalizing these payments and authorizing even larger direct corporate bailouts on an ongoing basis as a way to keep insurance companies in the Obamacare exchanges and avoid admitting failure.

Republicans will likely be attacked as saboteurs for resisting bailout payments, but that misses the point. Direct corporate welfare to bribe companies to participate in a poorly designed program is throwing good money after bad, masking rather than fixing problems while the cost to taxpayers climbs into the stratosphere.

We won’t be able to get to a real solution until we acknowledge that Obamacare is too rigidly structured and regulated to offer products people actually want, and needs to be reformed or replaced with genuine, functioning markets that give us a much wider variety of plans with different benefit packages, provider networks, and payment structures.

Before that can happen, Obamacare supporters need to be held accountable for the law’s manifest failures – not permitted to paper them over with billions more of our tax dollars.

Phil Kerpen is head of American Commitment and a leading free-market policy analyst and advocate in Washington. Kerpen was the principal policy and legislative strategist at Americans for Prosperity for over five years. He previously worked at the Free Enterprise Fund, the Club for Growth, and the Cato Institute. Kerpen is also a nationally syndicated columnist, chairman of the Internet Freedom Coalition, and author of the 2011 book "Democracy Denied."

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#2. To: Justified (#0)

The better answer: SINCE the private sector cannot do it, nationalize it and have single payer.

That's where we will go. Clinton has always supported that, and Trump thinks it was a good idea in Canada.

I expect that Trump will push for deregulation, which could help some, but which won't really address it.

My view: there is no reason for, and no room for, any middleman insurance company profit in health care. Insurance companies provide nothing of value. They simply impose a premium on the cost of health care.

The answer is single payer health insurance, without profit, paid for out of taxes. This takes the burden off of employers completely. Health insurance should not be tied to a job. It's a fundamental human need, and should be part of the tableau of basic rights, like Social Security and universal public education.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-08-13   11:44:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#2)

I can't says that federal government has done anything better than what the market could do. In fact federal government cost much more and gives much less and demands complete control with just a few corrupt people putting crazy demands on the system.

Single payer is crazy and the only option is to let the people decide what they want for the price they want it for. To spend more on healthcare than your house payment with no end in sight is crazy.

Single payer will demand everyone pay for abortions, transgender mutilations, fertilization gay couples, HIV for gay men, illegal alien coverage with out paying and who knows what else.

Market always beats government. Somewhere in time we deemed government and especially central government was for the people when it has shown its not and never has been. Thats why the founding fathers wanted most the power to be in the state where you could easily meet with the government official and they would have to listen to them.

Justified  posted on  2016-08-14   9:51:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Justified (#7)

Market always beats government.

The "market" without Social Security and Medicare means life expenctancies that are ten years lower than they are. That's the price of the free market in eldercare and financial support for the elderly.

We as a people have decided that it is better for the government redistribute some of the wealth of the nation into providing health care and income support for old people, because we don't like what the market produces.

As sovereign people, we have the right and power to do it, and we have, and we believe that we were right. You are part of the minority who disagrees. Your side lost this argument in the 1930s and the 1960s, and is losing it on health care in the 2010s. It's a free country and you are free to grouse about it until the cows come home. But the rest of us will continue to move along with the settled answers that the majority thinks is best, which is Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, universal public education and, in time, universal health insurance paid for by taxes.

In an imperfect world where the market does not work well enough to address such things, people form governments and vest government with the power to override private interest and find broader national solutions, using the sovereign power to tax to collect the resources necessary to pay for what is needed.

The conservative argument is that the government cannot do any of this well, that the market does it better. If the market did it adequately, we wouldn't have the political pressure for a government solution, and your side would have won the argument. You lost because in real life the market doesn't do a good job at addressing infrastructural issues where there is no profit in what must be done.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-08-14   12:31:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Vicomte13 (#9)

The "market" without Social Security and Medicare means life expenctancies that are ten years lower than they are.

It might actually go up because its cheaper to live and you will not have to work as hard as you once did. SS and Medicare is not needed but have been part of society for so long that it would be near impossible to get rid of.

We as a people have decided that it is better for the government redistribute some of the wealth of the nation into providing health care and income support for old people, because we don't like what the market produces.

Thats how it always starts out. Its the demoncrap way the progressive way. "I really meant to do good but how was I suppose too know it would ruin the world"? Its happens so often that its a shame. If the leaders would be held responsible for their actions then I might budge but since their every actions causes more harm than good in the name of "I meant well" government should always be kept to the minimal as possible as to do the least amount of harm possible.

Once government enacts a program you have a better chance of converting a Moslem to Christianity broadcasted on world TV and have them still live in the same neighborhood.

In an imperfect world where the market does not work well enough to address such things, people form governments and vest government with the power to override private interest and find broader national solutions, using the sovereign power to tax to collect the resources necessary to pay for what is needed.

If you can not trust the people what makes you think you can trust the government run by people?!

In simple terms corrupt people will elect corrupt people to government and government will be corrupt. Nothing the government has ever claimed has ever panned out but we still are paying for it and our children are paying for it and someday our children's children will pay the heaviest price because you are jealous that some people make to much. I believe that is a sin is it not?

Look life is not fair deal with it. Janitors and hamburger flippers do not deserve to make as much tradesman who do not deserve to make as much as doctors and business owners.

People at the low end of pay deserve that low pay because they refuse to sacrifice to get the educations necessary to earn the pay they want. Every time govenrment steps into the market to make it more fair it only screws the middle class because no matter what you do the rich will always be rich. The rich will payoff the the corrupt government leaders to give them loopholes. Even Warren Buffett mocked the system and knows it when he claimed that his secretary pays more in income tax then he does.

Never forget government and taxation is a restriction on society and can never bring up a group without bringing down another. You may want to do God's work but end up doing the devils bid!

Justified  posted on  2016-08-14   13:23:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Justified (#10)

Look life is not fair deal with it.

Life is not fair. Life is difficult. We HAVE dealt with it, with Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Unemployment Insurance. And our world is immeasurably better because we have these things.

That's why the general public will not ever let Republican ideologues strip these things away.

In fact, we are going to double down and cover everybody with health insurance, and move towards government funding of college education, since college is now as necessary as high school.

This is the great divide between Republicans and everybody else. It's why you guys are the 30% minority, and why you have to rely on the Democrats screwing up spectacularly in order to get power. Because the people, writ large, never vote FOR you and your economics. We rejected those long ago and are never going back.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-08-14   19:02:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Vicomte13 (#13)

Life is not fair. Life is difficult. We HAVE dealt with it, with Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Unemployment Insurance. And our world is immeasurably better because we have these things.

Actually the world is much worse off. Before you were responsible for your actions. Nowadays we just blame others for our own actions. Its always someone else fault I did not save for real needs but hey I have a new 60"TV, couch set that holds 10 people and a brand new vehicle. The selfish generations.

That's why the general public will not ever let Republican ideologues strip these things away.

Thats why my countries is bankrupt. How much longer will the other countries keep selling their goods for iou's?

In fact, we are going to double down and cover everybody with health insurance, and move towards government funding of college education, since college is now as necessary as high school.

Why not fund everything? Gas, power, water, sewer, food, clothing, vehicles, insurance[why have insurance when everything is free!], housing, entertainment, vacations, healthcare, dental care, mental care and whatever else you can think of? Hey we can let the rich pay for it! Right?

Before govenrment got involved all this above was cheap and affordable. Now no one can afford a damn thing. Government has to print money and borrow money just too pay for the give a ways. No you can not get rid of military and pay for jack shit because then you will lose more high paying jobs which means less money coming into the government through taxes.

Let me put it to you this way. Your utopian desires does not and can not work ever. Someone has to pay the bills and when you piss them all off they will stop working and then you have no one paying the bills! Communism doesn't which has been proven over and over again. Look at Cuba or Venezuela. Just pure shitholes where government rules by killing people who dare point out the truth!

To get want you want someone has to be the slave and someone gets to be the master.

Justified  posted on  2016-08-14   20:29:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Justified (#17)

Your utopian desires does not and can not work ever.

You have it exactly backwards. It works in every major developed country in the world. The countries that do not have social security and health care systems and universal education are the shitholes.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-08-14   21:56:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Vicomte13 (#19)

You have it exactly backwards. It works in every major developed country in the world. The countries that do not have social security and health care systems and universal education are the shitholes.

It doesn't work because it demands enslaving people to pay for other people. They can uses tricks like deflating the dollar so people have to work harder for less. Borrow/print money until other countries get tired of the game. In the end it will come crashing down.

I guess the fact that the socialist have not only brought down the dollar so much that they actually are now paying special groups to take the money(negative rates).

Yes sounds like utopia is working well!/s

As long as we are on this earth life will be hard. Deal with it! Trying to make heaven out of this earth by cheating the system will only bring heart ache. What is the old saying "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions".

Justified  posted on  2016-08-15   9:56:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Justified (#23)

It doesn't work because it demands enslaving people to pay for other people.

Paying taxes of around 7% and getting valuable social insurance in return is not slavery.

The problem you Republicans have is that your rhetoric is so ridiculous and over-the-top that nobody believes it but you, and the fact you persist with it causes you to seal yourselves off into a fever swamp of crazy.

Slavery is slavery. Social Security and Medicare taxes are not slavery.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-08-15   13:33:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Vicomte13 (#24)

It doesn't work because it demands enslaving people to pay for other people.

Paying taxes of around 7% and getting valuable social insurance in return is not slavery.

Thats just part of it. Its the straw that breaks the camels back. We pay 50+% in taxes. The rich pay less and the poor pay less but the hard working middle class pays the most percentage of their income in taxes. No one ever considers the hidden taxes.

Slavery is slavery. Social Security and Medicare taxes are not slavery.

Really how can I opt out? I have to pay taxes so people can get freebee's without having representation. Progressives will never get this and thats one of many reasons why they should never be allowed to have power. Government is a filter a restrictor of rights and freedoms.

Like I said "hell is paved with good intentions".

Its amazing how 1% on income tax for the filthy rich turned into such anchor around the middle class!

90% of us want the best for all. But that means different things to people. Conservatives want to bring people up with standards and hard work whereas progressives want to restrict and hold down people so others can be equivalent.

You really need to seek help because you have some crazy notion its okay to steal wealth in the name of God. Robinhood with all his good intention is still a crook. Godly men give freely whereas unGodly mean steal in the name of God.

Justified  posted on  2016-08-15   19:09:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Justified (#29) (Edited)

You really need to seek help because you have some crazy notion its okay to steal wealth in the name of God.

Taxation through the votes of democratically elected legislatures is not theft. It's not tyranny either.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-08-16   10:36:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Vicomte13 (#34)

You really need to seek help because you have some crazy notion its okay to steal wealth in the name of God.

Taxation through the votes of democratically elected legislatures is not theft. It's not tyranny either.

Taking money by force is theft. Taking money from one group and giving to another without the consent of the first group is theft when force or the threat of force is used. Im not sure where you live but thats just flat extortion!

We have long left the road of "for the betterment of man" and into the crony capitalism ie socialism.

Justified  posted on  2016-08-17   8:05:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Justified (#40)

Taking money by force is theft.

Taxation in a democratic republic is not theft.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-08-17   9:48:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Vicomte13 (#42)

Taking money by force is theft.

Taxation in a democratic republic is not theft.

It is if you are the one doing all the giving and working. While nearly 50% do not pay and do nothing but take. If you decide no more then government will send its people with guns to get you and take everything you have including your life for what? Your money! At least with street extortionist you can fight back and be called a hero but never against a crooked socialist system of extorting from hard working people.

We already pay enough in taxes. This is beyond taxation and about killing the middle class. Truth is there is never enough money to be gotten by taxation to satisfy the socialist because it has nothing to do with taxation but control. You give them everything they want and next year they will ask for more until you have none or pay them on the side to give you a tax loophole.

Government is not the answer and never can be the answer. Its just a necessary evil we must use for peace among the people.

Justified  posted on  2016-08-20   9:58:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Justified (#49) (Edited)

While nearly 50% do not pay and do nothing but take.

That is not true. The homeless guy who has no income and no welfare benefits lives off of soup kitchens and begging. When he goes and buys something with the money people give him, he pays sales taxes. When he buys alcohol, he pays state and federal excise taxes. When he buys cigarettes, he pays state and federal excise taxes. All in, he pays about 20% of his begging income as taxes. Cigarette and Alcohol taxes are very, very high.

The little kid whose mom gives him money for candy pays taxes on the candy.

Everybody pays taxes. There is nobody not paying taxes. There are no freeloaders in society - none.

There are people who earn more and pay more taxes. There are people who earn nothing, and they STILL pay taxes when they buy anything.

Everybody is a taxpayer.

So all of the argument that follows from "nearly 50% do not pay and do nothing but take" is just hooey, because 100% pay taxes. The income tax is not the world of taxes. It's only about a third of al taxes collected, actually. Taxes that are not income taxes account for two-thirds of taxes paid.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-08-20   11:55:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Vicomte13 (#51)

That is not true. The homeless guy who has no income and no welfare benefits lives off of soup kitchens and begging. When he goes and buys something with the money people give him, he pays sales taxes.

Thats hidden tax which is a whole other argument.

So all of the argument that follows from "nearly 50% do not pay and do nothing but take" is just hooey,

Income tax is only paid if you make above a certain about per person you claim as a dependent. 50% do not pay income tax(Clarified for you).

As for hidden taxes look to the socialist/progressives if you want to argue that point. I have many times told people the hidden tax stifling.

The fact is we are way over taxed which means government is way to big. Taxes are about controlling society by a few elites who get to determine who gets taxed and why. Once you understand this taxation is easy. The least control govenrment has on people the freer they are to live.

Justified  posted on  2016-08-20   17:53:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Justified (#53)

As for hidden taxes look to the socialist/progressives if you want to argue that point. I have many times told people the hidden tax stifling.

There's nothing "Hidden" about sales taxes or property taxes. I have had folks who did not want to admit that the poor pay taxes argue with me that car registration fees are not "taxes", but they are.

I don't need to "argue" anything. My point is, and has always been, that everybody pays taxes, and therefore everybody has a stake.

I understand that many people treat income taxes as though they are special, different, and the only real taxes. This is not a viable position, and I won't argue it with anybody because it's a waste of time.

Because all of these things are taxes, I treat them all the same, and I look at the aggregate total of money that comes out of people's hides, not the simple income tax, because it is only the smaller piece of taxes most people pay. Social Security and Medicare tax are not income taxes, they are taxes on WAGES, just wages, and the Social Security tax is highly regressive, hitting the first dollar of wages with no deduction, but ceasing to apply to wages once they are high.

That is a class-based tax, but I did not make it so - it IS so, and it particularly hits the lower and middle classes. Likewise, property tax on homes, car registration taxes and sales taxes all aim at middle class and working class wealth and necessities.

The income sources for the upper class are mostly capital gains and dividends, and these sources of income have the lowest taxes of all income sources. That form of property is not hit with sales taxes or property taxes, or social security or Medicare taxes.

That is why Romney pays lower taxes, as a percentage of his income, and FAR lower taxes as a percentage of his gross wealth, than his secretary. The system is rigged that way by the rich, and it is not morally defensible.

That, in turn, is why I support replacing all taxes with a flat gross wealth tax of about 2.5%, without deductions. Gross wealth taxation is completely fair, it is not regressive (it is flat), and it distributes the burden evenly on everyone per dollar of wealth.

Those with more wealth do not pay more taxes as a percentage of their wealth than those with less, but there are no loopholes and games.

That is fair on the revenue side.

On the expenditure side - that is where things really need to change if we are to sustain a budget.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-08-21   6:47:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Vicomte13 (#56)

There's nothing "Hidden" about sales taxes or property taxes. I have had folks who did not want to admit that the poor pay taxes argue with me that car registration fees are not "taxes", but they are.

You do not pay taxes if you are given money from other peoples taxes.

I don't need to "argue" anything. My point is, and has always been, that everybody pays taxes, and therefore everybody has a stake.

50% plus do not pay income tax. Thats just a fact.

The tax system is broken and those that want to keep raising taxes are nuts. If $3.5 Trillion dollars is not enough to run the federal govenrment alone then what amount is enough? Tax is not about money but about control of one group over another by using the power of taxation.

God only ask 10% which should be more than enough for government but it never is enough. To some 100% is not enough.

Forced robinhood will not work and will always cause resentment.

Im not sure how you fix such a broken system. Socialism has just destroyed capitalism. Sad.

Justified  posted on  2016-08-21   16:14:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Justified (#58)

Socialism has just destroyed capitalism. Sad.

Actually, slavery destroyed American capitalism.

But really, these conversations are just pointless.

Signing off.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-08-21   17:00:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Vicomte13 (#60)

Actually, slavery destroyed American capitalism.

Why only America? Every country upon this earth has seen slavery. Why is it only America that is to be punished with crimes of slavery?

But really, these conversations are just pointless.

I agree. But I will leave you with this because I can not be any clearer or more concise. The difference between us is you believe in the benevolent of government and are willing to surrender all to it but your above statement proves govenrment can never be trusted and the real power should be left to the individual with govenrment only having the power to regulate basic human rights.

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