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Title: What do you think?
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knuckledraggin.com
URL Source: http://knuckledraggin.com/2016/08/what-do-you-think-comments-please/
Published: Aug 11, 2016
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2016-08-11 14:30:26 by Stoner
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Views: 3410
Comments: 22
Here’s a very scary thought………….. I had to take my vehicle to the mechanic the other day for service. The Service Manager, Pete, gave me a ride home and on the way he told me his theory about the upcoming election and the next four years of U.S. government. At first I thought it a bit far fetched. But as I listened to him it began to make sense, scary sense… “I believe that Hillary Clinton will win the election in November,” Pete began. “Then, sometime between November and January, Hillary will be indicted. The IRS is now investigating the Clinton Foundation and the whole e-mail thing isn’t over yet.” “Once under indictment she won’t be able to assume the Office of the President in January. Tim Kaine, who will not actually be the Vice President because neither he nor Hillary have been inaugurated, cannot assume the Presidency.” “The Speaker of the House can’t move up to it because there is already a sitting President and Vice President. So President Obama, in an Executive Order citing “emergency situation,” gives himself another four years in office is the only way possible.” Pete believes Obama has been planning this for a while now, knowing he has enough on Hillary to indict her. Had the Attorney General indicted her based on evidence from the FBI this plan wouldn’t have worked because the DNC would have quickly come up with another candidate If you think about it, it’s not that outrageous. Many people on the left, including the President, want Obama to stay another four years. The law prohibits him from being re-elected so the only ways he can do it is by declaring martial law and suspending the election (which would be a very negative thing for the country) or to declare himself still President because the elected candidate cannot assume her duties. The latter makes more sense and is actually more feasible. And since it’s never been done before, it would set a precedent that would be difficult to challenge. Of course, if Trump wins the election none of this is going to happen. But what if Pete is correct? Four more years of Obama and a mostly useless Republican House and Senate would give Obama the time he needs to continue destroying changing the country to fit his stated goals. I thanked Pete for the ride home – and for messing up my day. Now I’ve got more things to worry about.
Damn, that is a scary thought. What do you all think ?
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#1. To: Stoner (#0)
Four more years of Obama as a placeholder President in exchange for an indictment and possible jail time for Hillary? Tempting.
Of course, when Trump wins, this will just be an academic exercise. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
what she she'll all Make love If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
Her fellow criminals Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, John McKaine, etc., will welcome her with open arms, and the chief justice will swear her in as she signs a pardon for herself. Business as usual, the D&R party screwing America. It's bi-partisan! Otherwise, Obama could just give her a pardon. This scenario is BS. They're sugar coating it... It's worse than 4 more years of Obama, it's four years of Trump or Clinton! With the D&R party you can always count on the new candidates being worse than the current officeholders. that rubiks Make love If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
that wasn't part of the equation It may not be part of YOUR equation, but it's common for outgoing presidents to give out pardons to their accomplices. Didn't Bush pardon a few cocaine dealers? Being indicted would have no effect of the qualification of a President Elect to be President. The only qualifications are a natural born citizen who has attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States. The Vice-President Elect would become president if the President Elect died, or become Acting President if the President Elect was not qualified. See 20th Amendment. Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin. Section 2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day. Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified. Section 4. The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.
I think it's nutty. There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents an elected President from taking the oath of office and assuming the office just because he or she is under indictment. There is this belief that somehow indictment stops the process. It's similar to the belief that if the elected President is not trustworthy, that he or she could be denied a security clearance. These beliefs are fantasies. The elected President is inaugurated on January 20th. Nothing can stop that but death or incapacitation. If she were indicted, then she'd fight the indictment and the case while President. If Congress were to impeach, it could do so. In fact, if she were indicted and convicted, should could not be removed from office WITHOUT an impeachment. She could not be put in jail or any such thing. Nobody has the authority to walk up and arrest the President, and the Secret Service would detain anybody who tried. Law enforcement does not have the authority to walk past the Secret Service. The situation might provoke a constitutional crisis, but Hillary would take office and be removed later. Impeachment couldn't be gotten going in that amount of time. It cannot happen this way. She'd take office, and the investigation would proceed. If convicted, she would serve her time in office and only check into prison afterwards, unless she were impeached and removed from office. You can't stick a sitting President in jail for a criminal offense. You have to remove her by impeachment first.
I believe a sitting President would be immune from criminal process. This immunity does not apply to the Vice President. I would expect a rapid impeachment and removal, followed by prosecution (or a resignation and pardon). A Sitting President's Amenability to Indictment and Criminal Prosecution, Justice Department, Office of Legislative Counsel, October 16, 2000. At 260: RANDOLPH D. MOSS https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/olc/opinions/2000/10/31/op-olc-v024-p0222.pdf
That's right. Indicting her will not stop her from taking the office or serving. And impeaching her may be possible, but removal impossible: Republicans will not have anywhere close to the 67 vote two-thirds majority necessary to remove her. No Democrats will vote to remove her. Hillary Clinton cannot be impeached and removed from office, because Democrats close ranks and they do not turn on their own. They also close ranks in the Supreme Court. There are four liberal justices on the Supreme Court, and they vote in lockstep on every major liberal Democrat issues. Hillary Clinton will install the fifth, and the Supreme Court will uphold every major executive action she takes. With control of the Supreme Court, and the inability of Congress to ever remove her, Hillary will rule by Executive order and force march the country, fast, into her set of priorities. She will use power to the fullest, and accomplish her goals, just as FDR did. And, even moreso than FDR, a key goal of Hillary will be to ensure that the Republicans can never, ever return to power, and that their grip on Congress is pried lose. This is easy to do: Justice Department orders, backed by the Supreme Court: BOOM felons in every state can vote in federal elections - equal protection, Democrat style. Motor Voter BOOM. ID laws struck down nationwide: BOOM. The Democrat ranks swell by several percentage points of ex-cons and fraud. Quick path to amnesty by Executive Order. BOOM! Lots more Hispanic Democrat voters in four years. Student loan coverage by the feds. The march towards single payer. IRS and FEC takedowns of Koch. FCC takedowns of Fox. With Hillary in power and a liberal Democrat Supreme Court for the first time in half a century, the blitzkrieg from the Left will be fast, furious, total, and victorious. This was never true in past elections, because the Supreme Court did not hang in the balance. Now it does. If the Republicans do not close ranks around Trump, it's all over but the shouting.
It already has. It sucks and its scary that the Clinton's could get back in the white house. With all that she has done and she still has even a smidgen of a chance to be the next president is not only mind blowing but telling on how we got in this mess. The right side fractures at the slightest discord and the left cement around even a truly bad corrupt candidate. demoncraps next step Next stop socialism! Next stop slavery!!!
A modest proposal. What would you think of Trump/GOP (SuperPAC?) just buying the TV time, inviting Johnson (Libertarian Party) and Stein (Green Party), and boycotting debates by the "independent" commission that has scheduled two out of three presidential debates opposite an NFL football game? They could even invite Hillary, but I doubt she would want to appear with Johnson and Stein. If he could get on the stage, Johnson (and perhaps Stein) might siphon off enough votes to seriously affect the election outcome, in favor of who is a good question. The GOP and Dem leadership would probably have a coronary.
I think that Trump should stay firm on the course he is on.
Nonsense, the election has not been held yet, and none of the candidates has any electoral delegates, ZERO, zip, nada, none. Will Americans have enough sense not to vote for the party of Satan, D&R? That is the question. Your right but its either Hillary or Trump. No one else has a chance in hell of winning. The only thing that can happen is that the right splits its vote again and Clinton's win again when they should have never even won once. The country will move far left again. The time to fight for a different candidate for either party is over and now we are stuck with what will be. Will Americans have enough sense not to vote for the party of Satan, D&R? That is the question. No. +44% will vote for demoncrat candidate no matter what and +40% vote for the pub candidate no matter what. Its just the way it is. The country will crash long before there is ever another party because if the left keep winning the right will be forced to fill the vacuum vacated by the left with right candidates till the right will be the old left. If you do not believe me then just remember JFK could not be president because he is farther right than 75% of the GOP candidates.
[Vicomte13 #13] I think that Trump should stay firm on the course he is on. At #11, you said If the Republicans do not close ranks around Trump, it's all over but the shouting. I tend to agree with that, and it does not appear that the GOP party leaders have any motivation or intention of closing ranks around Trump. The GOP leaders are still trying to figure out how to defeat Trump and not get slaughtered down ticket. The last four polls show Trump behind by only about 4½ points (6,5,4,3 - in order). That's pretty good after the massive media attack. A little more assistance from his email benefactor could do it.
It is very important that they get slaughtered down-ticket if they don't close ranks around Trump. The question is: Who Will Be Master? Will it be Donald Trump? Will it be Hillary Clinton? Or will it be the donor class of the Republican Party? If the donor class, to reassert their dominance over the GOP, manage to hold onto Congress, they will have won, for Congress does have the latent power (not yet exercised) to de-fund the government, refuse to accede to Hillary's court appointments, investigate and impeach, and generally stop Hillary from doing what she will do (or Trump, for that matter, if he's elected and Congress doesn't feel beholden to him). Therefore, it is of paramount importance - more important than beating Hillary Clinton, actually, that IF the donor class keeps the Republicans divided and refuses to form ranks around the People's choice - Trump - that the Republicans lose it all, particularly the Senate. The Republicans must be faced with the choice of Donald Trump, and the imposition of a new philosophy on the party OR Hillary Clinton and Democrat socialism. There can be no "safe harbor" of authority into which they can retreat and rebuild. It has to be Waterloo, where the GOP either wins, or they lose it all. That's the only way for the threat to be existential enough for the GOP grandees to accept defeat and sit down and submit to the bulk of the Republican people. If they still think that they can play the game of divide and conquer, then we need unitary socialist government under a vengeful Hillary Clinton, who will use the FBI and the IRS to investigate and destroy the wealthy Republicans who are the power base of the GOP.
Yesterday, while watching FNC, I overheard a statement that Trump said about Obama who was stating that he did not think Trump was qualified for the job. While listening it dawned on me and I asked myself, "Why does Obama even care whether Trump gets elected or not...Obama will be out of there." [or will he?]
Yeah, interesting question. Think that is why Americans are buying so many firearms, and so much ammo? Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
If that is the case, they'd be dumb enough to broadcast it let alone register what they've got. The best response will be the element of surprise.
LOL yeah it is. We already know 'the poison.'
Yep ! Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
#2. To: misterwhite (#1)
" Four more years of Obama as a placeholder President in exchange for an indictment and possible jail time for Hillary? Tempting. "
#3. To: Stoner (#0)
“Once under indictment she won’t be able to assume the Office of the President in January.
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#4. To: Stoner, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#0)
Once under indictment she won’t be able to assume the Office of the President in January
Castle(C), Stein(G), Johnson(L)
#5. To: hondo68 (#4)
Otherwise, Obama could just give her a pardon.
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#6. To: BorisY, drug cartel pardons (#5)
Obama could just give her a pardon.
Castle(C), Stein(G), Johnson(L)
#7. To: Stoner (#0)
[Article] "Once under indictment she won’t be able to assume the Office of the President in January. Tim Kaine, who will not actually be the Vice President because neither he nor Hillary have been inaugurated, cannot assume the Presidency."
Twentieth Amendment
#8. To: Stoner (#0)
What do you all think ?
#9. To: Vicomte13, Stoner (#8)
She'd take office, and the investigation would proceed. If convicted, she would serve her time in office and only check into prison afterwards, unless she were impeached and removed from office. You can't stick a sitting President in jail for a criminal offense. You have to remove her by impeachment first.
In 1973, the Department of Justice concluded that the indictment and criminal prosecution of a sitting President would unduly interfere with the ability of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned duties, and would thus violate the constitutional separation of powers. No court has addressed this question directly, but the judicial precedents that bear on the continuing validity of our constitutional analysis are consistent with both the analytic approach taken and the conclusions reached. Our view remains that a sitting President is constitutionally immune from indictment and criminal prosecution.
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#10. To: nolu chan (#9)
#11. To: hondo68 (#4)
#12. To: Vicomte13 (#10)
#13. To: nolu chan (#12)
#14. To: Justified, *The Two Parties ARE the Same*, Satanic cult of the Republican Democrat (#11)
It already has.
Castle(C), Stein(G), Johnson(L)
#15. To: hondo68 (#14)
Nonsense, the election has not been held yet,
#16. To: Vicomte13 (#13)
#17. To: nolu chan (#16)
The GOP leaders are still trying to figure out how to defeat Trump and not get slaughtered down ticket.
#18. To: Stoner (#0)
The law prohibits him from being re-elected so the only ways he can do it is by declaring martial law and suspending the election (which would be a very negative thing for the country) or to declare himself still President because the elected candidate cannot assume her duties.
#19. To: goldilucky (#18)
" "Why does Obama even care whether Trump gets elected or not...Obama will be out of there." [or will he?] "
#20. To: Stoner (#19)
Think that is why Americans are buying so many firearms, and so much ammo?
#21. To: misterwhite (#1)
Four more years of Obama as a placeholder President in exchange for an indictment and possible jail time for Hillary? Tempting.
#22. To: goldilucky (#20)
" The best response will be the element of surprise. "
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