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Title: A World War Has Begun. Break the Silence.
Source: Information Clearing House
URL Source: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44496.htm
Published: Apr 17, 2016
Author: John Pilger
Post Date: 2016-08-08 09:08:31 by U don't know me
Keywords: None
Views: 4878
Comments: 36

A World War Has Begun. Break the Silence.

By John Pilger

April 17, 2016 "Information Clearing House" - I have been filming in the Marshall Islands, which lie north of Australia, in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Whenever I tell people where I have been, they ask, "Where is that?" If I offer a clue by referring to "Bikini", they say, "You mean the swimsuit."

Few seem aware that the bikini swimsuit was named to celebrate the nuclear explosions that destroyed Bikini island. Sixty-six nuclear devices were exploded by the United States in the Marshall Islands between 1946 and 1958 -- the equivalent of 1.6 Hiroshima bombs every day for twelve years.

Bikini is silent today, mutated and contaminated. Palm trees grow in a strange grid formation. Nothing moves. There are no birds. The headstones in the old cemetery are alive with radiation. My shoes registered "unsafe" on a Geiger counter.

Standing on the beach, I watched the emerald green of the Pacific fall away into a vast black hole. This was the crater left by the hydrogen bomb they called "Bravo". The explosion poisoned people and their environment for hundreds of miles, perhaps forever.

On my return journey, I stopped at Honolulu airport and noticed an American magazine called Women's Health. On the cover was a smiling woman in a bikini swimsuit, and the headline: "You, too, can have a bikini body." A few days earlier, in the Marshall Islands, I had interviewed women who had very different "bikini bodies"; each had suffered thyroid cancer and other life-threatening cancers.

Unlike the smiling woman in the magazine, all of them were impoverished: the victims and guinea pigs of a rapacious superpower that is today more dangerous than ever.

I relate this experience as a warning and to interrupt a distraction that has consumed so many of us. The founder of modern propaganda, Edward Bernays, described this phenomenon as "the conscious and intelligent manipulation of the habits and opinions" of democratic societies. He called it an "invisible government".

How many people are aware that a world war has begun? At present, it is a war of propaganda, of lies and distraction, but this can change instantaneously with the first mistaken order, the first missile.

In 2009, President Obama stood before an adoring crowd in the centre of Prague, in the heart of Europe. He pledged himself to make "the world free from nuclear weapons". People cheered and some cried. A torrent of platitudes flowed from the media. Obama was subsequently awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

It was all fake. He was lying.

The Obama administration has built more nuclear weapons, more nuclear warheads, more nuclear delivery systems, more nuclear factories. Nuclear warhead spending alone rose higher under Obama than under any American president. The cost over thirty years is more than $1 trillion.

A mini nuclear bomb is planned. It is known as the B61 Model 12. There has never been anything like it. General James Cartwright, a former Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has said, "Going smaller [makes using this nuclear] weapon more thinkable."

In the last eighteen months, the greatest build-up of military forces since World War Two -- led by the United States -- is taking place along Russia's western frontier. Not since Hitler invaded the Soviet Union have foreign troops presented such a demonstrable threat to Russia.

Ukraine - once part of the Soviet Union - has become a CIA theme park. Having orchestrated a coup in Kiev, Washington effectively controls a regime that is next door and hostile to Russia: a regime rotten with Nazis, literally. Prominent parliamentary figures in Ukraine are the political descendants of the notorious OUN and UPA fascists. They openly praise Hitler and call for the persecution and expulsion of the Russian speaking minority.

This is seldom news in the West, or it is inverted to suppress the truth.

In Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia -- next door to Russia - the US military is deploying combat troops, tanks, heavy weapons. This extreme provocation of the world's second nuclear power is met with silence in the West.

What makes the prospect of nuclear war even more dangerous is a parallel campaign against China.

Seldom a day passes when China is not elevated to the status of a "threat". According to Admiral Harry Harris, the US Pacific commander, China is "building a great wall of sand in the South China Sea".

What he is referring to is China building airstrips in the Spratly Islands, which are the subject of a dispute with the Philippines - a dispute without priority until Washington pressured and bribed the government in Manila and the Pentagon launched a propaganda campaign called "freedom of navigation".

What does this really mean? It means freedom for American warships to patrol and dominate the coastal waters of China. Try to imagine the American reaction if Chinese warships did the same off the coast of California.

I made a film called The War You Don't See, in which I interviewed distinguished journalists in America and Britain: reporters such as Dan Rather of CBS, Rageh Omar of the BBC, David Rose of the Observer.

The War You Don't See from John Pilger on Vimeo.

All of them said that had journalists and broadcasters done their job and questioned the propaganda that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction; had the lies of George W. Bush and Tony Blair not been amplified and echoed by journalists, the 2003 invasion of Iraq might not have happened, and hundreds of thousands of men, women and children would be alive today.

The propaganda laying the ground for a war against Russia and/or China is no different in principle. To my knowledge, no journalist in the Western "mainstream" -- a Dan Rather equivalent, say --asks why China is building airstrips in the South China Sea.

The answer ought to be glaringly obvious. The United States is encircling China with a network of bases, with ballistic missiles, battle groups, nuclear -armed bombers.

This lethal arc extends from Australia to the islands of the Pacific, the Marianas and the Marshalls and Guam, to the Philippines, Thailand, Okinawa, Korea and across Eurasia to Afghanistan and India. America has hung a noose around the neck of China. This is not news. Silence by media; war by media.

In 2015, in high secrecy, the US and Australia staged the biggest single air-sea military exercise in recent history, known as Talisman Sabre. Its aim was to rehearse an Air-Sea Battle Plan, blocking sea lanes, such as the Straits of Malacca and the Lombok Straits, that cut off China's access to oil, gas and other vital raw materials from the Middle East and Africa.

In the circus known as the American presidential campaign, Donald Trump is being presented as a lunatic, a fascist. He is certainly odious; but he is also a media hate figure. That alone should arouse our scepticism.

Trump's views on migration are grotesque, but no more grotesque than those of David Cameron. It is not Trump who is the Great Deporter from the United States, but the Nobel Peace Prize winner, Barack Obama.

According to one prodigious liberal commentator, Trump is "unleashing the dark forces of violence" in the United States. Unleashing them?

This is the country where toddlers shoot their mothers and the police wage a murderous war against black Americans. This is the country that has attacked and sought to overthrow more than 50 governments, many of them democracies, and bombed from Asia to the Middle East, causing the deaths and dispossession of millions of people.

No country can equal this systemic record of violence. Most of America's wars (almost all of them against defenceless countries) have been launched not by Republican presidents but by liberal Democrats: Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton, Obama.

In 1947, a series of National Security Council directives described the paramount aim of American foreign policy as "a world substantially made over in [America's] own image". The ideology was messianic Americanism. We were all Americans. Or else. Heretics would be converted, subverted, bribed, smeared or crushed.

Donald Trump is a symptom of this, but he is also a maverick. He says the invasion of Iraq was a crime; he doesn't want to go to war with Russia and China. The danger to the rest of us is not Trump, but Hillary Clinton. She is no maverick. She embodies the resilience and violence of a system whose vaunted "exceptionalism" is totalitarian with an occasional liberal face.

As presidential election day draws near, Clinton will be hailed as the first female president, regardless of her crimes and lies - just as Barack Obama was lauded as the first black president and liberals swallowed his nonsense about "hope". And the drool goes on.

Described by the Guardian columnist Owen Jones as "funny, charming, with a coolness that eludes practically every other politician", Obama the other day sent drones to slaughter 150 people in Somalia. He kills people usually on Tuesdays, according to the New York Times, when he is handed a list of candidates for death by drone. So cool.

In the 2008 presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton threatened to "totally obliterate" Iran with nuclear weapons. As Secretary of State under Obama, she participated in the overthrow of the democratic government of Honduras. Her contribution to the destruction of Libya in 2011 was almost gleeful. When the Libyan leader, Colonel Gaddafi, was publicly sodomised with a knife - a murder made possible by American logistics - Clinton gloated over his death: "We came, we saw, he died."

One of Clinton's closest allies is Madeleine Albright, the former secretary of State, who has attacked young women for not supporting "Hillary". This is the same Madeleine Albright who infamously celebrated on TV the death of half a million Iraqi children as "worth it".

Among Clinton's biggest backers are the Israel lobby and the arms companies that fuel the violence in the Middle East. She and her husband have received a fortune from Wall Street. And yet, she is about to be ordained the women's candidate, to see off the evil Trump, the official demon. Her supporters include distinguished feminists: the likes of Gloria Steinem in the US and Anne Summers in Australia.

A generation ago, a post-modern cult now known as "identity politics" stopped many intelligent, liberal-minded people examining the causes and individuals they supported -- such as the fakery of Obama and Clinton; such as bogus progressive movements like Syriza in Greece, which betrayed the people of that country and allied with their enemies.

Self absorption, a kind of "me-ism", became the new zeitgeist in privileged western societies and signaled the demise of great collective movements against war, social injustice, inequality, racism and sexism.

Today, the long sleep may be over. The young are stirring again. Gradually. The thousands in Britain who supported Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader are part of this awakening - as are those who rallied to support Senator Bernie Sanders.

In Britain last week, Jeremy Corbyn's closest ally, his shadow treasurer John McDonnell, committed a Labour government to pay off the debts of piratical banks and, in effect, to continue so-called austerity.

In the US, Bernie Sanders has promised to support Clinton if or when she's nominated. He, too, has voted for America's use of violence against countries when he thinks it's "right". He says Obama has done "a great job".

In Australia, there is a kind of mortuary politics, in which tedious parliamentary games are played out in the media while refugees and Indigenous people are persecuted and inequality grows, along with the danger of war. The government of Malcolm Turnbull has just announced a so-called defence budget of $195 billion that is a drive to war. There was no debate. Silence.

What has happened to the great tradition of popular direct action, unfettered to parties? Where is the courage, imagination and commitment required to begin the long journey to a better, just and peaceful world? Where are the dissidents in art, film, the theatre, literature?

Where are those who will shatter the silence? Or do we wait until the first nuclear missile is fired?

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#2. To: U don't know me (#0)

China IS a threat. A real threat. They are a nationalistic fascist nation. Their brand of "communism" is national socialism, in a very nationalistic nation.

They are claiming an absurd fantasy line as their sea boundary, and building fake islands to try to assert it, assuming they are so big nobody can challenge them.

China is a threat.

Russia is not. To continue to oppose Russia today is completely counterproductive. We made a hash out of the Ukraine. We need to get out and let it return to the Russian orbit, where it belongs.

To face China, we will need a naval and air buildup, and modernizing nuclear weapons is generally a good thing.

Fighting a new Cold War with Russia is stupid, and will bankrupt us. We have common interests with Russia in a quiet and stable Europe, in a pacified and divvied-up Middle East, and in not having China run riot in Asia.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-08-08   10:45:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13, ConservingFreedom, Willie Green, sneakypete, TooConservative (#2)

hina IS a threat. A real threat. They are a nationalistic fascist nation. Their brand of "communism" is national socialism, in a very nationalistic nation.

Or perhaps they are just a Confucianist nation.

I was at the meeting with George Soros at Harvard University.

He was asked about China, and he got very agitated and angry. He said:

"I did some business in China and made good money. Yet I do not want to do it anymore - this country is hopeless because it is not compatible with Open Society" (as Greenspan was a follower of Ayn Rand Objectivism cult, Soros is a follower of Karl Popper).

Participants were bewildered and asked him to explain. He answered:

"When you you do business with Chinese you entered into a permanent relationship, you can get favors and are expected to provide favors (like in God Father I suppose). But Open Society is based on unobliging deals, you do a deal and say goodby. I hate it!"

It looks that Open Society means an atomization and alienation of separate individuals, dealing and wheeling freely. I looked at the audience and they seemed to be in deep thought - perhaps they pondered an idea that Chinese are wiser?

A Pole  posted on  2016-08-08   12:11:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A Pole, sneakypete, A K A Stone (#4)

You should omit "sneakypete" from your ping list as Stone purged the site of any of Pete's capability to post a reply. It is very sad.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-08-08   21:47:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: buckeroo (#8)

Why don't you and Ahole, the sites token Democrat, go find a room together. A healthy dose of lithium might help you deal with the loss of your closet sausage stuffer, Stinky Peter Puff.

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-08-08   22:15:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: GrandIsland (#9)

Why don't you and Ahole, the sites token Democrat, go find a room together. A healthy dose of lithium might help you deal with the loss of your closet sausage stuffer, Stinky Peter Puff.

I'm the infidel.

Hmm ...

A Pole  posted on  2016-08-09   4:10:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A Pole (#12)

"Hmmm" all you want, but your past liberal comments on this site and LP is well known. It is what it is... you've earned the title. Embrace it.

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-08-09   7:07:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: GrandIsland (#13)

"Hmmm" all you want, but your past liberal comments on this site and LP is well known. It is what it is... you've earned the title. Embrace it.

On economic issues I tend to be on the left, on moral/cultural issues I am conservative. Like a New Deal old style Democrat. Is it your definition of a liberal?

On matters of debate, I try to be polite and respectful of my opponents.

A Pole  posted on  2016-08-09   7:22:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A Pole (#14)

On economic issues I tend to be on the left, on moral/cultural issues I am conservative. Like a New Deal old style Democrat. Is it your definition of a liberal?

Of course I do. When you are left on "economic issues", that tells me you're a socialist bastard. You've earned your Commie Sandards award. I'll give you partial credit for being conservative on social issues... but that doesn't help this country much being 19 trillion in the hole, now does it?

Here is a "social issue" test. Let's see how conservative you are. Do freaks of nature deserve their own bathrooms? Should a baker be forced to make a fag cake? Tell us how we should treat most of Stinky Peter Puff-a-lot's family?

Just remember, WE ALL ARENT EQUAL. We all don't deserve the same wealth.

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-08-09   7:46:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: GrandIsland (#15) (Edited)

Here is a "social issue" test. Let's see how conservative you are. Do freaks of nature deserve their own bathrooms? Should a baker be forced to make a fag cake? Tell us how we should treat most of Stinky Peter Puff-a-lot's family?

"Freaks of nature" (I would call them unlucky individuals, either with congenital abnormality, disordered or confused) do exist and need to pee or more ;)

I would say that a person with male plumbing should use male restroom. The best solution would be unisex bathrooms, same as you have in your home. If feasible but it should not be mandatory.

Certainly bakers should not be forced to do things that are in conflict with their convictions. More, I think that the establishments for men or women ONLY should be allowed, same with blacks, white, Catholic, Jewish, bikers, or whatever. Freedom of association is one of the litmus tests for liberty.

A Pole  posted on  2016-08-09   8:52:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: GrandIsland, Vicomte13 (#16) (Edited)

Returning to economic issues, there should be a policy directed to lower stratification of wealth.

Great too big to fail" corporations either should be broken into smaller units or be under government supervision. The rest of society of society should not be forced to bail them out and to make the owners richer.

Custom duties and border control should be restored to reasonable levels, to protect wages of working people. Trade unions should be restored, and workers representatives should be included in decision making (as they do in Germany for example).

Great fortunes (higher than 50 million?) should be subject to the large inheritance tax. Federal Income tax should be either abolished and replaced with tax on wealth, or brought back to the levels and application of 1950s or earlier. (originally it was applies to a small, most prosperous minority).

Military spending should be reduced by half and money saved should be either used for payment of debt, or infrastructure and protecting Social Security.

Anti-usury laws should be restored.

Minimum wage should be raised to level that workers do not need government assistance in order to survive.

Price of drugs should be regulated, drugs developed on government grants should have a royalty paid by pharmaceutical companies.

Single payer medical system should be introduced, following example of the best systems in Europe (not the worst).

A thoughtful reform of electoral system should be designed so all groups can have their real representation.

Student debt should be allowed to be discharged or reduced through either bankruptcy in justified cases (new chapter should be created?) or tied to the income.

Bill of Rights and Amendments should restored in practice.

Small companies should be supported. Corporations should not have rights that belong to the citizens.

Schools should turn from political correctness to science and classics (the later being the foundation of of our civilization), history of philosophy since the ancient times (without prejudice) should be introduced based on reading original texts. Religion should be allowed in schools and in public sphere.

Etc, etc ...

A Pole  posted on  2016-08-09   9:52:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A Pole (#17)

Returning to economic issues, there should be a policy directed to lower stratification of wealth. AGREE

Great too big to fail" corporations either should be broken into smaller units or be under government supervision. OR ALLOWED TO FAIL.

The rest of society of society should not be forced to bail them out and to make the owners richer. TRUE.

Custom duties and border control should be restored to reasonable levels, to protect wages of working people. TRUE.

Trade unions should be restored, and workers representatives should be included in decision making (as they do in Germany for example). NOT NECESSARY IF SOCIAL WELFARE SYSTEMS ARE PROPERLY IN PLACE TO EASE THE CHANGING OF JOBS.

Great fortunes (higher than 50 million?) should be subject to the large inheritance tax. HIGHER THAN $2 MILLION.

Federal Income tax should be either abolished and replaced with tax on wealth, ALL TAXES SHOULD BE REPLACED BY A UNITARY WEALTH TAX, OF ABOUT 2%

or brought back to the levels and application of 1950s or earlier. (originally it was applies to a small, most prosperous minority). THE PROPER ANSWER IS A GROSS WEALTH TAX.

Military spending should be reduced by half and money saved should be either used for payment of debt, or infrastructure and protecting Social Security.

SOCIAL SECURITY SHOULD BE PAID OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. WE HAVE TOO MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE AS IT IS. DEBT SHOULD BE PAID OFF.

Anti-usury laws should be restored. AGREE. THEY SHOULD BE SPECIFICALLY APPLIED TO CREDIT CARDS.

Minimum wage should be raised to level that workers do not need government assistance in order to survive. TRUE.

Price of drugs should be regulated, drugs developed on government grants should have a royalty paid by pharmaceutical companies. OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

Single payer medical system should be introduced, following example of the best systems in Europe (not the worst). TRUE.

A thoughtful reform of electoral system should be designed so all groups can have their real representation. IT IS NOT IMPORTANT THAT EVERYBODY "HAVE A VOICE". IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE LAWS BE RIGHT. IF DEMOCRACY WILL GET THERE, GREAT. IF IT WON'T, AS IN SHARIA-POSSESSED LANDS, THEN DEMOCRACY IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS THE RIGHT LAWS. ERROR IS NOT ENTITLED TO AN EQUAL VOICE.

Student debt should be allowed to be discharged or reduced through either bankruptcy in justified cases (new chapter should be created?) or tied to the income. TRUE IN BOTH CASES. BUT ULTIMATELY, COLLEGE IS EDUCATION, AND SHOULD BE PAID FOR BY THE GOVERNMENT.

Bill of Rights and Amendments should restored in practice. OK.

Small companies should be supported. Corporations should not have rights that belong to the citizens. INDIVIDUALS SHOULD NOT BE SHIELDED FROM PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR ILLEGAL ACTS. CORPORATIONS DON'T COMMIT CRIMES, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE MINDS. THE PEOPLE IN THE CORPORATIONS COMMIT THE CRIMES, AND THEY SHOULD BEAR FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THOSE CRIMES.

Schools should turn from political correctness to science GLOBAL WARMING? OK, IF THE ALTERNATIVE VIEW IS ALSO TAUGHT. RANDOM EVOLUTION? OK, IF INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS TAUGHT ALSO.

and classics (the later being the foundation of of our civilization), OK

history of philosophy since the ancient times (without prejudice) should be introduced based on reading original texts. OK. THAT'S A VERY FRENCH CONCEPT OF EDUCATION.

Religion should be allowed in schools and in public sphere. CATHOLIC/ORTHODOX RELIGION, YES. PROTESTANT RELIGION THAT DOESN'T GO OFF THE DEEP END INTO POLYGAMY OR SNAKE HANDLING, FINE. JEWISH RELIGION THAT ISN'T MALE-DOMINANT BLACK-HAT HASSIDIC INSANITY, OK. SHARIA? NO. VOODOO? NO. SATANISM? NO. BUDDHISM AND HINDUISM? FINE. JAINISM? SURE. THESE LATTER THREE ARE PEACEFUL, SO THE QUIRKINESS DOESN'T MATTER. JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS "RELIGION" DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT HAS TO BE TREATED AS EQUAL TO TRUTH. CATHOLICISM/ORTHODOXY ARE TRUE RELIGION, AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE TRAMMELLED. PROTESTANTISM CAN BE QUITE TRUE, OR QUITE RIDICULOUS, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT FALLS ON THE SPECTRUM. ISLAM IS EVIL AND EVIL ERROR DOES NOT HAVE RIGHTS. THE EASTERN STUFF IS GENERALLY PEACEFUL, SO IT SHOULD BE LEFT ALONE TO DO AS IT PLEASES. IF WE END UP HAVING OUR ATHEISTS BECOME BUDDHISTS AND OUR VEGANS BECOME JAINS, THAT WILL BE A MORAL IMPROVEMENT.

Etc, etc ... YEP.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-08-09   10:22:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Vicomte13 (#19)

Religion should be allowed in schools and in public sphere. CATHOLIC/ORTHODOX RELIGION, YES. PROTESTANT RELIGION THAT DOESN'T GO OFF THE DEEP END INTO POLYGAMY OR SNAKE HANDLING, FINE. JEWISH RELIGION THAT ISN'T MALE-DOMINANT BLACK-HAT HASSIDIC INSANITY, OK. SHARIA? NO. VOODOO? NO. SATANISM? NO. BUDDHISM AND HINDUISM? FINE. JAINISM? SURE. THESE LATTER THREE ARE PEACEFUL, SO THE QUIRKINESS DOESN'T MATTER. JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS "RELIGION" DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT HAS TO BE TREATED AS EQUAL TO TRUTH. CATHOLICISM/ORTHODOXY ARE TRUE RELIGION, AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE TRAMMELLED. PROTESTANTISM CAN BE QUITE TRUE, OR QUITE RIDICULOUS, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT FALLS ON THE SPECTRUM. ISLAM IS EVIL AND EVIL ERROR DOES NOT HAVE RIGHTS. THE EASTERN STUFF IS GENERALLY PEACEFUL, SO IT SHOULD BE LEFT ALONE TO DO AS IT PLEASES. IF WE END UP HAVING OUR ATHEISTS BECOME BUDDHISTS AND OUR VEGANS BECOME JAINS, THAT WILL BE A MORAL IMPROVEMENT.

Why, you man of a small faith?

If the children, both Christian and Muslim read Gospels and Koran, who will prevail in the comparison?

The Good News of Jesus Christ is stronger. Because He is meek and lowly in heart and His burden is light.

A Pole  posted on  2016-08-09   12:47:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A Pole (#25)

Why, you man of a small faith?

If the children, both Christian and Muslim read Gospels and Koran, who will prevail in the comparison?

The Good News of Jesus Christ is stronger. Because He is meek and lowly in heart and His burden is light.

I suppose that this is the difference between Catholics and the Orthodox.

You are willing to meekly submit and rely on God to make it right in the end. And perhaps that is the more Christlike thing to do.

I would rather launch a Crusade and defeat the human enemy now, and then rely on the forgiveness of God in the afterlife.

The mindset is different. The Orthodox are more otherworldly, and less violent. The Catholics are more in this world, and violent therefore.

I don't deny that the Orthodox are probably right. But I also don't care enough to not kill now the sons of bitches who are trying to kill me.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-08-09   14:19:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Vicomte13 (#27) (Edited)

I would rather launch a Crusade and defeat the human enemy now, and then rely on the forgiveness of God in the afterlife. [...] I also don't care enough to not kill now the sons of bitches who are trying to kill me.

Orthodox are permitted to fight. But they ought not to hate or to despise enemy and they should embrace defeated as brothers.

And if you kill, you need to do penance after war, and you cannot be ordained to the priesthood.

A Pole  posted on  2016-08-09   15:29:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A Pole (#30)

Orthodox are permitted to fight. But they ought not to hate or to despise enemy and they should embrace defeated as brothers.

And if you kill, you need to do penance after war, and you cannot be ordained to the priesthood.

I cannot be ordained to the priesthood anyway: I'm married. And if I were not married, I still want to fuck sometimes more than I want to pray all the time.

Perhaps I SHOULD not be that way, but I AM that way, and it is unlikely to change. Therefore, I do not qualify for the priesthood, and I would not WANT to be a priest, because I wouldn't be very good at it. Not everybody is made for that sort of life.

Embracing defeated enemy who surrender and ask for mercy, and who repent and want to follow the light is good. Embracing defeated enemies who do not change their minds about right and wrong, who hold onto their belief systems that caused the war in the first place, is not good. It is weakness.

Killing always requires penance. The failure to kill when killing is needed means that you go meet God sooner, and so do other people. Perhaps it is better in the afterlife. I'm ready to let the enemy go find that out first. If our religion is real, by killing them I'm doing them a favor, after all.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-08-09   16:40:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Vicomte13 (#31)

I cannot be ordained to the priesthood anyway: I'm married.

In Orthodox Church men are encouraged to marry before ordination, because they cannot marry ofter. Having a lot of children is seen as a badge of honor for Orthodox priests. It makes them good confessors, gives example to the families in the parish and keeps them out of trouble :)

The failure to kill when killing is needed means that you go meet God sooner, and so do other people. Perhaps it is better in the afterlife.

Just and necessary killing is justified, but it leaves stain on the soul, it is an impurity.

A Pole  posted on  2016-08-09   16:56:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#33. To: A Pole (#32)

Just and necessary killing is justified, but it leaves stain on the soul, it is an impurity.

So does lying. And illicit sex.

I have a very colorful soul, I'm afraid.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-08-09 18:14:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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