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Title: Kerry: Air conditioners as big a threat as ISIS
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URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201 ... ers-as-big-threat-as-isis.html
Published: Jul 23, 2016
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Post Date: 2016-07-23 18:34:40 by Justified
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ISIS Published July 23, 2016 Washington Free Beacon Facebook6974 Twitter1032 livefyre7000 Email Print European Union Climate Commissioner Miguel Arias Canete welcomes U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, from left, in Vienna, Austria, Friday July 22, 2016. (AP Photo/Ronald Zak) European Union Climate Commissioner Miguel Arias Canete welcomes U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, from left, in Vienna, Austria, Friday July 22, 2016. (AP Photo/Ronald Zak) ( ) Secretary of State John Kerry said in Vienna on Friday that air conditioners and refrigerators are as big of a threat to life as the threat of terrorism posed by groups like the Islamic State. The Washington Examiner reported that Kerry was in Vienna to amend the 1987 Montreal Protocol that would phase out hydrofluorocarbons, or HFCs, from basic household and commercial appliances like air conditioners, refrigerators, and inhalers. “As we were working together on the challenge of [ISIS] and terrorism,” Kerry said. “It’s hard for some people to grasp it, but what we–you–are doing here right now is of equal importance because it has the ability to literally save life on the planet itself.” Kerry said that most of the substances banned in the Montreal Protocol have increased the use of HFCs and claimed that the coolant was thousands of times more potent than CO2. He added that the increase of HFCs has led to the trend of global climate change. “The use of hydrofluorocarbons is unfortunately growing,” Kerry said. “Already, the HFCs use in refrigerators, air conditioners, and other items are emitting an entire gigaton of carbon dioxide-equivalent pollution into the atmosphere annually. Now, if that sounds like a lot, my friends, it’s because it is. It’s the equivalent to emissions from nearly 300 coal-fired power plants every single year.” Members of the Montreal Protocol have met their obligations and have aided in the shrinking of the hole in the ozone, as well as created jobs and improved the quality of life, Kerry said. Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Gina McCarthy was also present at the negotiations and is serving as the lead negotiator for the United States. McCarthy has said that her goal is to enact the HFC agreement by the end of the year. New EPA rules along with the global deal would band HFCs in the United States and push for alternative chemicals for use in appliances. The negotiations are part of President Obama’s climate agenda to combat global climate change.
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#4. To: Justified (#0)
I guess they thought when they banned CFCs we'd just give up on the idea of refrigerating our food. Fucking morons.
Ain't no big deal... Just about any gas can be used as a refrigerant: Ammonia, CO2, Methane, Butane, Hydrogen, Helium, Nitrogen, etc. etc. etc.
Thats good lets use ammonia for residential and light commercial ac and refrig appliances! LOL We can end western populations pretty fast! We can all move right back into the 3rd world mode.
Actually, ammonia might not be a bad idea.
It would be a terrible idea for residential and light commercial. You would be dead before you realized there was a problem. Thats the reason why its not used but in specific areas. The BS of CFC is over blown. If it is as terrible as they claimed big cities would not have an ozone layer which they do. Yes I understand that one CFC molecule can attack 10 o3 molecules but mother nature Trumps humans. We puny humans actually think we are badass and must protect mother nature. Mother nature laughs and says I fart stronger than the whole human race can muster in strength! You probably should do some reading of how 1 volcano eruption puts out more cfc than man by a huge number. Climate change is code word for world domination by progressives. Its a way of condition stupid people into believing that government is the only answer when its been nothing but the problem from day one. PS The ozone hole healed itself! Go figure with out help from puny stupid humans! Its just a cycle of life that humans can not control. Oh the inhumanity of it all!!!!!! ;)
Meh... it's no more dangerous than using natural gas, which is why some nervous nellies have all electric stoves, ovens, hot water and furnaces/baseboard heat. But if you're antsy about that stuff, I'm sure you could install an ammonia detector just like they have for smoke alarms & carbon monoxide.
Actually its much worse than ng. You can breath ng and not die. If ng builds up enough it can be explosive. It takes very little ammonia to harm you permanently. If ammonia was viable for residential or light commercial work it would be implemented. Businessmen are not stupid but can be greedy at times.
If ammonia makes you soil your panties, then use some other substance as a refrigerent: methane, butane, propane, acetone, alcohol, etc. etc. The point is, there are plenty of substitutes available. Hell, you can even use water as a refrigerant.
The problem is climate change is bs and politically pushed to sucker the weak minded people.
It's all a part of unsustainable globalization. The Earth's resources are finite, and excessive growth & development pollute and damage our environment. Frankly, I think "climate change" is too feeble to describe the dire conditions that we'll be facing. Here in America, the "American Dream" is dead... our cities are headed for overpopulated, disease-infested, malnourished slums... Gated suburban communities won't provide any protection from the spread of the squalid filth & crime.. And Trump's Wall will be a totally ineffective bandaid... I personally believe that it's already too late to avoid this fate... But if they want to label their meager efforts "climate change", I got no problem with that... Afterall, it's the unregulated "free market" that's the root cause of this putrid contamination... and there's no reason to think that the unregulated "free market" will divert this tsunami of global decay.
Thats where left are ignorant. There is no such animal. US alone can produce enough to feed the world. But doing so enslaves the US to the world. We work so hard that we stop having babies and feed people who do nothing but have more babies. We are killing ourselves for some kinda crazy progressive logic. Third world people are the ones over populating the earth. Im surprised that asia hasn't thrown the earths rotation off since 70% of the people live there. These are the craziest times in history. I guess when we let progressives run our lives we should expect crazy things to happen. Since you have to be crazy to be a progressive.
That's delusional.
The US easily has the ability to produce 5 times what it needs to feed itself. This has been known for a long time. Hell, why do you think they are trying to use corn as a fuel rather than food?
Don't try to use logic with Willie. He only beliefs what his progressive master Latrell's him. A few big farms have run everyone out of the farm business because they can produce so much very cheaply.
I don't know what happened to Willie. He used to be a conservative, or at least pretend to be.
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#12. To: ConservingFreedom (#4)
Of course, the ones that stink, are poisonous and or explosive/flammable under certain conditions are also somewhat less desirable for obvious reasons... But that's the way life is, nothing is perfect, there's always a trade-off.
#13. To: Willie Green (#12)
#14. To: Justified (#13)
That's what was originally used before GM & DuPont began producing freon in the 1930s. And in fact, is still in use in large scale industrial applications (food processing industry) because it's highy efficient.
The biggest drawback is safety concerns due to leakage. But it is non-flammable and lighter-than-air, so it should dissipate quickly in well ventilated areas. Plus today's manufacturing quality control is vastly superior to the 1910s, '20s & '30s when residential ammonia refrigeration was in use... so there should be less leakage than there was back then.
#17. To: Willie Green (#14)
Actually, ammonia might not be a bad idea.
#19. To: Justified (#17)
You would be dead before you realized there was a problem. Thats the reason why its not used but in specific areas.
#23. To: Willie Green (#19)
Meh... it's no more dangerous than using natural gas,
#25. To: Justified (#23)
#26. To: Willie Green (#25)
#27. To: Justified (#26)
World population has almost TRIPLED, just in my lifetime:
#28. To: Willie Green (#27)
The Earth's resources are finite, and excessive growth & development pollute and damage our environment.
#31. To: Justified (#28)
US alone can produce enough to feed the world.
#32. To: Willie Green (#31)
#33. To: no gnu taxes (#32)
#35. To: Justified (#33)
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