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Title: Kerry: Air conditioners as big a threat as ISIS
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Published: Jul 23, 2016
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Post Date: 2016-07-23 18:34:40 by Justified
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ISIS Published July 23, 2016 Washington Free Beacon Facebook6974 Twitter1032 livefyre7000 Email Print European Union Climate Commissioner Miguel Arias Canete welcomes U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, from left, in Vienna, Austria, Friday July 22, 2016. (AP Photo/Ronald Zak)

European Union Climate Commissioner Miguel Arias Canete welcomes U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, from left, in Vienna, Austria, Friday July 22, 2016. (AP Photo/Ronald Zak) ( )

Secretary of State John Kerry said in Vienna on Friday that air conditioners and refrigerators are as big of a threat to life as the threat of terrorism posed by groups like the Islamic State.

The Washington Examiner reported that Kerry was in Vienna to amend the 1987 Montreal Protocol that would phase out hydrofluorocarbons, or HFCs, from basic household and commercial appliances like air conditioners, refrigerators, and inhalers.

“As we were working together on the challenge of [ISIS] and terrorism,” Kerry said. “It’s hard for some people to grasp it, but what we–you–are doing here right now is of equal importance because it has the ability to literally save life on the planet itself.”

Kerry said that most of the substances banned in the Montreal Protocol have increased the use of HFCs and claimed that the coolant was thousands of times more potent than CO2. He added that the increase of HFCs has led to the trend of global climate change.

“The use of hydrofluorocarbons is unfortunately growing,” Kerry said. “Already, the HFCs use in refrigerators, air conditioners, and other items are emitting an entire gigaton of carbon dioxide-equivalent pollution into the atmosphere annually. Now, if that sounds like a lot, my friends, it’s because it is. It’s the equivalent to emissions from nearly 300 coal-fired power plants every single year.”

Members of the Montreal Protocol have met their obligations and have aided in the shrinking of the hole in the ozone, as well as created jobs and improved the quality of life, Kerry said.

Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Gina McCarthy was also present at the negotiations and is serving as the lead negotiator for the United States. McCarthy has said that her goal is to enact the HFC agreement by the end of the year.

New EPA rules along with the global deal would band HFCs in the United States and push for alternative chemicals for use in appliances. The negotiations are part of President Obama’s climate agenda to combat global climate change.

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#4. To: Justified (#0)

Kerry said that most of the substances banned in the Montreal Protocol have increased the use of HFCs

I guess they thought when they banned CFCs we'd just give up on the idea of refrigerating our food. Fucking morons.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-07-23   18:53:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: ConservingFreedom (#4)

Ain't no big deal... Just about any gas can be used as a refrigerant: Ammonia, CO2, Methane, Butane, Hydrogen, Helium, Nitrogen, etc. etc. etc.
Of course, the ones that stink, are poisonous and or explosive/flammable under certain conditions are also somewhat less desirable for obvious reasons... But that's the way life is, nothing is perfect, there's always a trade-off.

Willie Green  posted on  2016-07-23   20:27:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Willie Green (#12)

Thats good lets use ammonia for residential and light commercial ac and refrig appliances! LOL

We can end western populations pretty fast! We can all move right back into the 3rd world mode.

Justified  posted on  2016-07-23   20:38:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Justified (#13)

Actually, ammonia might not be a bad idea.
That's what was originally used before GM & DuPont began producing freon in the 1930s. And in fact, is still in use in large scale industrial applications (food processing industry) because it's highy efficient.
The biggest drawback is safety concerns due to leakage. But it is non-flammable and lighter-than-air, so it should dissipate quickly in well ventilated areas. Plus today's manufacturing quality control is vastly superior to the 1910s, '20s & '30s when residential ammonia refrigeration was in use... so there should be less leakage than there was back then.

Willie Green  posted on  2016-07-23   21:26:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Willie Green (#14)

Actually, ammonia might not be a bad idea.

It would be a terrible idea for residential and light commercial. You would be dead before you realized there was a problem. Thats the reason why its not used but in specific areas.

The BS of CFC is over blown. If it is as terrible as they claimed big cities would not have an ozone layer which they do. Yes I understand that one CFC molecule can attack 10 o3 molecules but mother nature Trumps humans. We puny humans actually think we are badass and must protect mother nature. Mother nature laughs and says I fart stronger than the whole human race can muster in strength! You probably should do some reading of how 1 volcano eruption puts out more cfc than man by a huge number.

Climate change is code word for world domination by progressives. Its a way of condition stupid people into believing that government is the only answer when its been nothing but the problem from day one.

PS The ozone hole healed itself! Go figure with out help from puny stupid humans! Its just a cycle of life that humans can not control. Oh the inhumanity of it all!!!!!! ;)

Justified  posted on  2016-07-24   9:02:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Justified (#17)

You would be dead before you realized there was a problem. Thats the reason why its not used but in specific areas.

Meh... it's no more dangerous than using natural gas, which is why some nervous nellies have all electric stoves, ovens, hot water and furnaces/baseboard heat. But if you're antsy about that stuff, I'm sure you could install an ammonia detector just like they have for smoke alarms & carbon monoxide.

Willie Green  posted on  2016-07-24   12:16:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Willie Green (#19)

Meh... it's no more dangerous than using natural gas,

Actually its much worse than ng. You can breath ng and not die. If ng builds up enough it can be explosive. It takes very little ammonia to harm you permanently.

If ammonia was viable for residential or light commercial work it would be implemented. Businessmen are not stupid but can be greedy at times.

Justified  posted on  2016-07-24   18:43:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Justified (#23)

If ammonia makes you soil your panties, then use some other substance as a refrigerent: methane, butane, propane, acetone, alcohol, etc. etc.

The point is, there are plenty of substitutes available. Hell, you can even use water as a refrigerant.

Willie Green  posted on  2016-07-24   21:06:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Willie Green (#25)

Hell, you can even use water as a refrigerant.

I doubt water could ever be used as a refrigerant. A useful refrigerant needs to be a gas at ambient temperatures and then easily converted to a liquid through compression.

There is a difference between a coolant and a refrigerant.

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