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War in Ukraine Turns on Russia what happened during total solar eclipse Israel Attacks Iran, Report Says - LIVE Breaking News Coverage Earth is Scorched with Heat Antiwar Activists Chant ‘Death to America’ at Event Featuring Chicago Alderman Vibe Shift A stream that makes the pleasant Rain sound. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In LEFT WING LOONS See other LEFT WING LOONS Articles Title: 11 Dallas Officers Shot, 3 Dead in Shooting as Protest Ended Source: NBC News URL Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news ... police-shootings-black-n605686 Published: Jul 8, 2016 Author: Phil Helsel Post Date: 2016-07-08 00:22:19 by Roscoe Keywords: None Views: 15030 Comments: 155 Eleven Dallas law enforcement officers were shot, three fatally, by what is believed to be two snipers who opened fire during a demonstration downtown over recent police shootings in Minnesota and Louisiana, the Dallas police chief said. The snipers fired from an elevated positions on police officers minutes before 9 p.m., Dallas Police Chief David Brown told reporters. "We believe that these suspects were positioning themselves in a way to triangulate on these officers from two different perches in garages in the downtown area, and planned to injure and kill as many law enforcement officers as they could," he said. Some were shot in the back. Three of the 11 officers died, two are in surgery and three are in critical condition, Brown said. Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 109. #11. To: Roscoe (#0) They now report a 5th officer died in the hospital. Roscoe, I for one am not celebrating. It is disappointing that instead of being constructive, you take advantage of this event to disparage your opponents here. I could say more, but based on our prior discussions, spending more time on a reply is probably pointless. Pinguinite  posted on  2016-07-08   3:21:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: Pinguinite (#11) It is disappointing that instead of being constructive, You're disappointed there weren't more police officers killed. Roscoe  posted on  2016-07-08   8:18:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #47. To: Roscoe (#18) You're disappointed there weren't more police officers killed. Ros, either you are hopelessly ignorant, or you hopelessly bitter. I have *never* celebrated the killing of a police officer, so your statements is gross libel. Pinguinite  posted on  2016-07-08   9:06:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #50. To: Pinguinite (#47) I have *never* celebrated the killing of a police officer Do you think that the murdered officers reaped what they sowed? Roscoe  posted on  2016-07-08   9:11:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #55. To: Roscoe (#50) Do you think that the murdered officers reaped what they sowed? I think the culture of paranoia that is within the police community has fostered events like in Dallas for the reasons already stated. A year or 2 ago, 2 police officers were shot and killed as they sat in their cruisers by some guy who apparently went to NY just to kill cops. The motive seemed to be the killing of the guy by a cop who put him in an illegal strangle hold. I don't remember names well. Was that the guy who was allegedly selling untaxed cigarettes or whatnot? In spite of the illegal chock hold resulting in death no charges. Kinda like Hillary Clinton. Well, no. Not kinda. Exactly like HC. So many other incidents as well. To get charged, it has to be blatant, like the cop that shot the guy in the back as he was running away from him, and he probably was just unlucky that he was being filmed doing so. Even shooting people in the back as they are restrained on the ground is only sometimes prosecuted. To answer your question, I don't even know the names of the cops killed in Dallas yesterday, much less a single thing about their history or temperment, so I have no idea what they sowed. But I'm sure that won't stop you from posting more libel about my state of mind, will it. Pinguinite  posted on  2016-07-08   9:31:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #56. To: Pinguinite (#55) I think the culture of paranoia that is within the police community has fostered events like in Dallas for the reasons already stated. Deckard-lite. Roscoe  posted on  2016-07-08   9:33:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #59. To: Roscoe (#56) Deckard-lite. More insults... Or attempts, in this case. I think you and GI are just pissed that there has finally been blowback against cops. Doesn't fit your view of an ideal world where cops can shoot anyone they want with impunity. Is that it? Pinguinite  posted on  2016-07-08   9:37:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #61. To: Pinguinite (#59) When you say finally blowback it makes it sound like you justify it whether you do or not. Especially the word "finally". Just trying to shoot straight. A K A Stone  posted on  2016-07-08   9:43:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #63. To: A K A Stone (#61) When you say finally blowback it makes it sound like you justify it whether you do or not. Especially the word "finally". Just trying to shoot straight. I'm not saying that and I don't think that's what it sounds like. It's a similar situation with US foreign policy of killing with drones and such in the mideast and elsewhere against "terrorists" but which too often kills innocent people. Friends and relatives of those innocent people become "radicalized" and then take up a cause of militant revenge, get labeled as terrorists and the cycle continues. If one is going to be obligated to call one unjust killing unjustified, without being obligated to call other unjust killings unjustified, then that's a double standard, and that makes people take the law into their own hands. That's blowback. Will Roscoe, GI and others dare even suggest that the killing of the CC holder *might* be unjustified? Will I be called to the mat on my statement, while they are given a free pass on theirs? I guess I should formally ping them because I mention them, but they don't care what I have to say or think so I won't bother... Pinguinite  posted on  2016-07-08   9:54:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #82. To: Pinguinite (#63) I know that isn9'$t what you meant. It just kind of came across that way in my opiniaon. Like they finally got what was coming. A K A Stone  posted on  2016-07-08   14:37:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #85. To: A K A Stone (#82) Like they finally got what was coming. Well.... define "they". It's a universal truth that actions have consequences. If you never change your motor oil, you'll eventually wreck your engine. So if we were talking about someone who never did that, then when the day finally came when their engine is destroyed, we would & could say that yes, the owner got what was coming to him. Is it something to be happy about? No. But we would still say that yes, he got what was coming to him. IMO, the contemporary police culture is one of paranoia because police are conditioned to believe in a substantial risk that every person they encounter could be a killer. Has this paranoia resulted in saving cops lives? No doubt it has. Has his same paranoia resulted in innocent & good people being killed by cops. Yes it has, as very much seems with the recent CC case in Minnesota. This is aside from blatant cases of police brutality. What comes to mind is the case in CA several years ago, where cops stopped to hassle a homeless guy, demanding to search his backpack. "See these fists, they're about to fuck you up" I think was one quote by one of the cops involved. The guy eventually took off, apparently in fear for his life, and he was beaten severely by the cops and died a few days later. Cops were tried. Not guilty verdict. Hillary justice. These recurring events have consequences, and one of them is to inspire militant minded people to do stuff like what happened in Dallas. It's nothing to celebrate, much like the motor oil example I gave (though obviously not equating the two in severity). And it also seems the cops wounded and killed were largely in solidarity with the protest message of non-violence. But if the police attitude will continue to be that of excessive paranoia, and brutalizing cops will continue to be undisciplined and remain on police forces, then all cops as a whole, nationwide will remain in more danger because of it. Pinguinite  posted on  2016-07-08   15:56:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #97. To: Pinguinite, Roscoe (#85) IMO, the contemporary police culture is one of paranoia because police are conditioned to believe in a substantial risk that every person they encounter could be a killer. Here's a former cop who agrees: How Police Training Contributes to Avoidable Deaths In most police shootings, officers don’t shoot out of anger or frustration or hatred. They shoot because they are afraid. And they are afraid because they are constantly barraged with the message that that they should be afraid, that their survival depends on it. Not only do officers hear it in formal training, they also hear it informally from supervisors and older officers. They talk about it with their peers. They see it on police forums and law enforcement publications. For example, three of the four stories mentioned on the cover of this month’s Police Magazine are about dealing with threats to officer safety. Officers’ actions are grounded in their expectations, and they are taught to expect the worst. Of course, others have written on the topic of police training, and many seem to agree that cops are trained to look at every encounter as a potentially lethal one. It's the us vs them syndrome whereby cops are treating all citizens as criminals. Peddling Paranoia (New Law enforcement officer training curriculum, critics say, creates a risky mindset) Police training in US makes officers paranoid, fearful Deckard  posted on  2016-07-08   18:55:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #98. To: Deckard (#97) Typical leftist. "And of course, the unfair economic advantages of centuries of oppression were only being refined and entrenched , as Ta-Nehisi Coates has eloquently explained. So when urban black America was finally convulsed by the sort of violence that we would expect from anyone in the face of such vicious and unceasing abuse, many white Americans, the bulk of them probably apolitical, some of them supporters of the civil rights movement, were suddenly and decidedly afraid." -Seth Stroughton Seth was a report writer with the Tallahassee Police Department for five years, then an investigator in the Florida Department of Education's Office of Inspector General handling tuition voucher fraud. Roscoe  posted on  2016-07-08   19:14:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #99. To: Roscoe (#98) Typical leftist. Former cop. Deckard  posted on  2016-07-08   19:19:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #100. To: Deckard (#99) Former cop. Seth was a report writer with the Tallahassee Police Department for five years, then an investigator in the Florida Department of Education's Office of Inspector General handling tuition voucher fraud. Roscoe  posted on  2016-07-08   19:19:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #101. To: Roscoe (#100) Seth was a report writer with the Tallahassee Police Department for five years, then an investigator in the Florida Department of Education's Office of Inspector General handling tuition voucher fraud. Sounds like a cop to me. And investigating tuition voucher fraud is a worthwhile endeavor. Of course, he's not the only one who has stated that police are trained to be paranoid. Baseless paranoia about crime in America drives police violence So long as it can be pretended that a police officer had reasonable suspicion his life was in danger, he can get away with anything. I hope it’s unfair to accuse every cop who kills an unarmed, nonviolent citizen of having enjoyed doing it. But if the majority of them really do feel their lives are in peril, and that they need to act out in the most lethal manner possible, then there is something seriously wrong with their psychology. To be that paranoid, that knee-jerk with lethal force, is uncalled for in the streets of America, where violent crime has actually been sharply declining for most of the last 20 years. But this paranoia is a big part of what’s wrong with the average American police officer. Not all of them, of course – many, perhaps even most (although the jury’s still out) are intelligent, compassionate, reasonable, level-headed people. But their training – not to mention recruitment methods and philosophy – prepare them to face an America that is under siege from a powerful criminal element. This line of thinking has serious consequences for ordinary citizens who encounter police and has resulted in way too many outrageous, egregious instances of police using uncalled-for deadly violence. Deckard  posted on  2016-07-08   19:28:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #102. To: Deckard (#101) investigating tuition voucher fraud is a worthwhile endeavor. Deadly force voucher fraud. he's not the only one who has stated that police are trained to be paranoid. CopBlock. Alrighty then. Roscoe  posted on  2016-07-08   19:33:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #103. To: Roscoe (#102) Deadly force voucher fraud. If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don’t be alarmed now its just a spring clean for the May Queen CopBlock. Alrighty then. No, Third Rail News. Learn to read. Deckard  posted on  2016-07-08   19:52:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #104. To: Deckard (#103) No, Third Rail News. Learn to read. First line in your article: "If you don’t already, you should follow CopBlock on Facebook." [snigger] Roscoe  posted on  2016-07-08   20:06:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #105. To: Roscoe (#104) First line in your article: Cop Block isn't the source for the article, they were linked in the story. This internet thingie a little confusing for you? Deckard  posted on  2016-07-08   20:15:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #106. To: Deckard (#105) Cop Block isn't the source for the article Squirmy. The article offered it as a source. Roscoe  posted on  2016-07-08   21:23:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #107. To: Roscoe (#106) Getting a little tired of your games. We're done here. Deckard  posted on  2016-07-08   21:51:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #108. To: Deckard (#107) You took your whipping like a cuck. Roscoe  posted on  2016-07-08   21:57:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #109. To: Roscoe (#108) You took your whipping like a cuck. Delusional as usual. Effing troll. Deckard  posted on  2016-07-08   22:08:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 109. #110. To: Deckard (#109) "roscoe" has always been a troll; ever since 1998 on JR's FR forum. buckeroo  posted on  2016-07-08 22:17:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #112. To: Deckard (#109) Effing See? Roscoe  posted on  2016-07-08 22:23:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 109. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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