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Title: Donald Trump, Man of Faith
Source: First Things
URL Source: http://www.firstthings.com/article/2016/08/donald-trump-man-of-faith
Published: Jul 7, 2016
Author: Matthew Schmitz
Post Date: 2016-07-07 18:20:03 by ConservingFreedom
Keywords: None
Views: 2889
Comments: 26

[...] In his late twenties, Trump began attending Marble Collegiate Church on Fifth Avenue. Founded in 1628 in the Dutch colony of New Amsterdam, Marble Collegiate is one of the few institutions that survives from the city’s founding. Peter Minuit, the governor of New Amsterdam, was the first church elder, and Peter Stuyvesant, the colony’s director general, led worshippers to service every Sunday. The high steeple of its current home, erected in 1854, rises two hundred feet above the pavement, a symbol of uprightness set in stone. Here Trump walked down the aisle after exchanging vows with Ivana and heard the sermons of Norman Vincent Peale, a man whose philosophy would become Trump’s own.

[...] Before Trump made his own foray into politics, he read Peale’s book and adopted its program of “positive thinking.” The two men began to trade public compliments. Peale, always generous in his assessments of human nature, said that Trump had a “profound streak of honest humility.” Trump, not exactly showing that humble streak, said that Peale “thought I was his greatest student of all time.” In a certain sense, Trump was right. Peale has had no more perfect disciple.

Peale distilled the optimism and self-sufficiency of the American character into a simple creed. The first article of his faith was a warm patriotism. He called the U.S. “the greatest country in the world” and addressed his writing to “everyday people of this land” who “are my own kind whom I know and love and believe in with great faith.” These were the people he met in masonic halls, resort hotels, and cruise-ship conference rooms. In them he sensed innate decency and ability. Any one of them could become efficient and successful—if only he would believe in himself, harnessing the power of positive thinking.

[...] Thus the necessity of repentance recedes. It is important to think positively, and a negative thought, such as Domine, non sum dignus, can be injurious to spiritual health. Yet the gloomy aspect of traditional Christian practice is also the wellspring of Christian compassion. At the moment a Christian asks for forgiveness, he must acknowledge his own weakness and look mercifully on the weakness of others. In the Our Father, the Christian asks that he be forgiven, just as he in turn forgives. From the holy terror that Peale called “fear thoughts” comes the light of Christian love.

At a campaign event in Iowa, Trump shocked the audience by saying that he had never asked God for forgiveness. All his other disturbing statements — his attacks on every vulnerable group — are made intelligible by this one. The self-sufficient faith Trump absorbed from Peale has no place for human weakness. Human frailty, dependency, and sinfulness cannot be acknowledged; they must be overcome. This opens up the possibility of great cruelty toward those who cannot wish themselves into being winners. A man who need not ask forgiveness need never forgive others. He does not realize his own weakness, and so he mocks and reviles every sign of weakness in his fellow men.

[...] Christianity is a religion of losers. To the weak and humble, it offers a stripped and humiliated Lord. To those without reason for optimism, it holds up the cross as a sign of hope. To anyone who does not win at life, it promises that whoever loses his life for Christ’s sake shall find it. At its center stands a truth that we are prone to forget. There are people who cannot be made into winners, no matter how positive their thinking. They need something more paradoxical and cruciform. [...]

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#1. To: ConservingFreedom (#0)

Christianity is a religion of losers.

seems
like
a
false
dichotomy

Material
success
negates
spiritual
success

vice
versa

Actually
Jesus
taught
wealth
can
generate
love
generosity
blessings
rewards

Many
are
called

few
are
chosen

they
would
certainly
know
what
they
are
talking
about

Make
America
rich
great
again

love
boris

ps

Bet
the
writer
understands
street
alley
urban
... marx
... ebonics
... fluently

BorisY  posted on  2016-07-07   22:46:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: BorisY (#1)

Material success negates spiritual success

Not what he said nor implied. Care to address what he did say? Do you think Trump needs forgiveness from God?

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-07-07   23:32:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: ConservingFreedom (#2) (Edited)

Abraham
Lincoln

said

because
of
previous
difficulties

mother
children
dying

failed
business
romances

difficult
woman
marriage

commander
in
chief

in
an
endless
insufferable
war

He
didn't
surrender
himself
to
God

until
the
over
whelming
tragedy
success
sacrifice
of
the
Battle
of
Gettysburg

this
isn't
ritual
bell
ringing
mumbo
jumbo
praying
we're
talking
about

many
are
called
few
are
chosen

God's
hands
are
Donald
Trump

love
boris

ps

Did
Abraham
Lincoln
ever
attend
church

pss

He
did
have
a
very
Godly
step
mother

BorisY  posted on  2016-07-07   23:55:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: BorisY (#4)

Abraham Lincoln

is not the standard for Godliness (presidential or otherwise).

God's hands are Donald Trump

Every sinner is a tool in God's hands ... which doesn't justify the sinner, nor those who make themselves his accessories.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-07-08   10:40:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: ConservingFreedom (#7) (Edited)

Abraham Lincoln

is not the standard for Godliness (presidential or otherwise).

PGMGN > TRUTH • 7 days ago

No, electing Trump or Clinton will not change the hearts of men. But the freedom to embrace and fully preach the Christian faith to the people of this county will be hogtied by a POTUS who is on record claiming that Churches need to change their position on abortion. Not to mention the wholesale importation of the tools of chastisement.

With each Our Father we pray to be delivered from temptation, not ushered into the end times because we're so prideful we think "we" can handle it.

So you may want to watch out for that presumption that the negation of common sense and the duty to engage where one can to effect the good is somehow entering through the narrow gate. In deed, such a toss off of duty under such flimsy pretext smacks of an absentee father who pretends he is helping his family by not working or rearing his children ... rather becoming a free-form monk --- just "praying" his days away.

free-form
monk
just
"praying"
his
days
away.

That's
the
libertarian
pot
smoking
holier
than
thou
way

love
boris

ps

Make
America
great
sober
again

http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/gop-millionaire-trump-worthy-of-christian-support/

BorisY  posted on  2016-07-08   17:26:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: BorisY (#14)

the negation of common sense and the duty to engage where one can to effect the good is somehow entering through the narrow gate. In deed, such a toss off of duty under such flimsy pretext smacks of an absentee father who pretends he is helping his family by not working or rearing his children ... rather becoming a free-form monk --- just "praying" his days away.

More of your straw men: neither the article nor any poster on this thread has argued for abandoning the duty to engage where one can to effect the good, nor for becoming a free-form monk just praying his days away.

Do you think Trump needs forgiveness from God?

"I am not sure I have," Trump said when asked [at the Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa, July 18, 2015] if he'd ever asked God for forgiveness. "I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don't think so," he said. "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't." - www.businessinsider.com/t...-like-to-have-to- ask-for-forgiveness-2016-1

"Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?" asked Trump. "I work hard, I'm an honorable person." - www.christianpost.com/new...ave-to-repent-or-ask-for-forgiveness-if- i-am- not-making-mistakes-video-141856

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-07-08   18:10:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: ConservingFreedom (#15) (Edited)

Most
Christians
people

have
no
idea
what
salvation
eternity
is

even
the
most
' knowing '
HARD
working

are
hard
working
their
way
to
nothingness
oblivion
damnation

KNOWING
passing
judgement
is
two
different
things

I'm
more
inclined

to
go
by
what
a
person
does
than
what
they
say

Ghandi
said

< quote >

an
ounce
of
experience
is
worth
more
than
a
ton
of
advice

< quote / >

Make
America
great
working
again

love
boris

ps

many
are
called
few
are
chosen

pss

the
liberal
blather

an
ounce
of
dreams
pc
heads
up

is
worth
more
than
any
hard
work
whatsoever

share
the
wealth
big
brother
sistah

BorisY  posted on  2016-07-08   21:44:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#17. To: BorisY (#16)

I'm more inclined

to go by what a person does than what they say

Are you suggesting that Trump has in deed asked God's forgiveness although he says otherwise?

"I am not sure I have," Trump said when asked [at the Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa, July 18, 2015] if he'd ever asked God for forgiveness. "I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don't think so," he said. "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't." - www.businessinsider.com/t...-like-to-have-to- ask-for-forgiveness-2016-1

"Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?" asked Trump. "I work hard, I'm an honorable person." - www.christianpost.com/new...ave-to-repent-or-ask-for-forgiveness-if- i-am- not-making-mistakes-video-141856

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-07-08 22:37:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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