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Title: Libertarians are Awesome
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Published: Jul 1, 2016
Author: Me
Post Date: 2016-07-01 03:00:22 by Pinguinite
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#1. To: Pinguinite (#0)
You obviously don't know the difference between an anarchist and a libertarian.
You obviously don't know the difference between Gatlin's post and Roscoe's post.
You obviously have zero reading comprehension. Roscoe posted an image that reads: No taxes. No Government. No Regulation. Libertarian Paradise. Those 3 elements are not libertarian. They are anarchist. Libertarians DO recognize the need for taxes, government and regulation. Ergo, Roscoe has echoed the same ignorance about the difference between L's and A's as the author of the image.
I suspect you're too dishonest to retract your ignorant falsehood. Libertarian Party Statement of Principles, adopted June 17, 1972 Specifically, we support the eventual repeal of all taxation... In those areas where individual rights or voluntary relations are not involved, we support an immediate reduction of government's present role, and ultimately, a total withdrawal of government intervention
Shall we also post evidence of how the Democrat party supports the right to own slaves? 1972 was, I believe, the birth date of the official Libertarian party, and the philosophy codified was certainly done by only a few people with very minimal review for catching things like excluding minors from the text you quote (assuming the quote is accurate). Certainly the intent was that the passage referring to relationships pertain only to adults, not children. As much as paedophilia is despised today, I think it could only be more so in 1972. But if YOU are honest, you'll reference the current Libertarian party platform instead of citing something that his 44 years old. In fact, I already have in the quote that limits such relationships to adults. The objection to the initiation of force does carry through today. Libertarians are opposed to it. I suppose wantonly attacking other countries as has been the ongoing practice of both R's and D's over the past 30 years is seen by you as very pro-American. Whatever floats your boat.
When did the Libertarians repudiate their principles and their founders? [crickets] I knew you wouldn't man up and retract, even after being thrashed. So Libertarian principles are not those established by the party's founders, but rather anything you happen to pull out of your backside at any given moment. So much for John Hospers. BTW, what's with all the paedophilia crap you're posting? I didn't mention it. Is it just something that you think about a lot?
Did the Democrats ever formally do that with slavery? That was a thrashing? I didn't realize that. Actually, no. Unlike the R's and D's who seem to base their platform on whatever the other party isn't supporting -- kind of like how neigborhood kids choose teamates when about to play baseball -- the L platform is generally based on the principles of what positions allow everyone an equal amount of maximum freedom. As with any ideology, the works of the originators are revised over time by better minds, and/or lessons learned from practical application. An excellent question. But one perhaps better directed to Gatlin. He posted an opinion about how statutory rape laws should be repealed: libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...gi?ArtNum=46901&Disp=3#C3 Granted it's not his opinion, but he brought it up, erroneously promoting a post by a supposed libertarian as official libertarian doctrine.
You realize it. Documented Libertarian principles are exactly as I stated, and your unsupported claim of some secret change in Libertarian principles by unnamed "better minds" is thoroughly pathetic. Even for you. I'll ask again: When did the Libertarians repudiate their principles and their founders? I suspect your will reply will be just as craven as before.
You realize it. Documented Libertarian principles are exactly as I stated, and your unsupported claim of some secret change in Libertarian principles by unnamed "better minds" is thoroughly pathetic. Even for you. Now you're being totally stupid and asinine. Secret change? Dude, visit lp.org and you too can down load a copy of the "secret" party platform. You don't even have to be a libertarian to get it. Isn't that incredible? Periodically, it is updated / changed with additions and such. You are rapidly proving yourself to be not worth responding to.
And there's no repudiation of the longstanding principles of the Libertarian founders there, which is why you offer craven disingenuous insinuation instead of quotes. BTW - 2016: Our silence about any other particular government law, regulation, ordinance, directive, edict, control, regulatory agency, activity, or machination should not be construed to imply approval. Man up and admit you were trounced.
#46. To: Roscoe, Pinguinite (#44)
Oh, like that's a bad thing? We call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. That's a view that is shared by some Republicans. Congressional Republicans Are Planning to Abolish the IRS The income tax is unconstitutional, but you knew that already.
Exacty what "longstanding principles" do you think libertarians of today should repudiate? Uh, yes. Repeal of the income tax is in the LP platform. Should I infer from your citation that you think Libertarians want to repeal all taxation? If so.... The personal income tax is only one of an enormous number of federal taxes that the fed gov is the recipient of. Did you know that if personal income taxes were excluded from the federal budget, the fed gov would have the same amount of revenue that it had about 15 years ago? As I recall, the fed gov wasn't exactly living under a bridge 15 years ago. From Ron Paul. And while not all agree on his philosophies, there's no argument he's knowledgeable about economic facts on the fed gov: A slave living on a plantation was allowed to keep some of the efforts of his labor. The rest was "taxed" by the slave owner. Can you articulate the difference between a slave taxed on his labor and a modern worker taxed on his? If so, you'll be the first I've encountered. Some taxes are required. A personal income tax is not. It's more appropriate for you to admit you are clueless about what libertarians stand for. You are really embarrassing yourself.
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#5. To: Roscoe (#1)
#17. To: Pinguinite (#5)
"You obviously don't know the difference between an anarchist and a libertarian."
#18. To: misterwhite (#17)
You obviously don't know the difference between Gatlin's post and Roscoe's post.
#21. To: Pinguinite (#18)
Those 3 elements are not libertarian.
[N]o individual, group, or government may initiate force against any other individual, group, or government...
#23. To: Roscoe (#21)
Libertarian Party Statement of Principles, adopted June 17, 1972
Fact: The Republican Party was founded primarily to oppose slavery, and Republicans eventually abolished slavery. The Democratic Party fought them and tried to maintain and expand slavery.
#24. To: Pinguinite (#23)
#40. To: Roscoe, Gatlin (#24)
When did the Libertarians repudiate their principles and their founders? [crickets]
I knew you wouldn't man up and retract, even after being thrashed.
So Libertarian principles are not those established by the party's founders, but rather anything you happen to pull out of your backside at any given moment.
BTW, what's with all the paedophilia crap you're posting? I didn't mention it. Is it just something that you think about a lot?
#41. To: Pinguinite, misterwhite (#40)
That was a thrashing? I didn't realize that.
But one perhaps better directed to Gatlin.
Paging misterwhite...
#42. To: Roscoe (#41)
#44. To: Pinguinite (#42)
(Edited)
Dude, visit lp.org and you too can down load a copy of the "secret" party platform.
All persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor. We call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. We oppose any legal requirements forcing employers to serve as tax collectors...
Replies to Comment # 44. All persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor.
#55. To: Roscoe (#44)
And there's no repudiation of the longstanding principles of the Libertarian founders there, which is why you offer craven disingenuous insinuation instead of quotes.
All persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor. We call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. We oppose any legal requirements forcing employers to serve as tax collectors...
We could eliminate the income tax, replace it with nothing, and still fund the same level of big government we had in the late 1990s.
www.ronpaul.com/taxes/
Man up and admit you were trounced.
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