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Title: John Stossel pushes Libertarian view on terrorism: Do Nothing !!!
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URL Source: http://www.wbdaily.com/national/joh ... -view-on-terrorism-do-nothing/
Published: Jun 29, 2016
Author: John Stossel
Post Date: 2016-06-29 13:11:40 by Vinny
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Views: 3865
Comments: 26

John Stossel pushes Libertarian view on terrorism: Do Nothing

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LOGIC MINUTE
By Lynn Woolley

Like most Libertarians, Stossel prefers a hands-off policy for just about everything. Some of the time, he’s right. But efforts to stop ISIS and other terrorist threats – Stossel calls “reckless.” The FOX News commentator doesn’t have any ideas on how to stop ISIS. He admits it. http://www.wbdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/LM-12-22-15.mp3

He goes on to say that candidates like Hillary Clinton and Marco Rubio seem all too willing to start bombing and sending in troops. Maybe he’s right – and we shouldn’t do those things. But with regard to domestic Islamic terrorism, he takes a weird position: Ignore it.

Stossel says more Americans die in bike accidents or while swimming or driving. He also buys into the Ron Paul “blame America first” position on why Islamists hate us. This is the reason that Rand Paul isn’t doing well. Most Americans actually want to defeat terrorists.

Why terrorists hate us.

John Stossel

John Stossel

According to Stossel, it has nothing whatsoever to do with “who we are” or the fact that we let girls attend school. It’s all because we meddle in their countries. That may be true – but on the other hand – their countries are a mess. They are mostly Islamic theocracies that engage in intra-country atrocities on a daily basis, and that subjugate women. Some brainwash schoolchildren into hating Israel.

More important, we have depended on those countries for oil. That is just a fact. With the world economy base on fossil fuels – and it still is – we have had to protect our interests in the Middle East. That meant propping up the Shah of Iran until Jimmy Carter decided not to. It meant doing other things, based on the best strategy possible at the time. It also means honoring our commitment to the stability of Israel.

Video: John Stossel with Allan Handelman 12/11/15 on “CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS”

Stossel and many other Libertarians do not see the real world.

Don’t misunderstand – I love most of Stossel’s views on government meddling in our lives and in the affairs of private businesses. He makes a lot of sense there. But it’s on foreign affairs that I – and many conservatives – part with Libertarian thought. Sitting back and doing nothing is not always a viable strategy.

Ronald Reagan worked with Margaret Thatcher and Pope John Paul II to hasten the defeat of Soviet Communism. It did not happen because world leaders did nothing.

Granted, we do not have a Ronald Reagan in office now. We have the exact opposite. But with new leadership may come new ideas for defeating and destroying the cult of radical Islamic terrorism.

It can be done. But a Democrat will not likely do it and neither will a Libertarian. It will take a Ronald Reagan type. If you see on one on the ballot, that’s the person to vote for.

lynn@BeLogical.com

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#3. To: Vinny (#0)

"It also means honoring our commitment to the stability of Israel."

Anyone know what that means?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-06-29   14:42:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: misterwhite (#3)

Anyone know what that means?

That the sugar-daddying will continue.

(Interesting to find you taking the libertarian - or at least the anti-anti-libertarian - side.)

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-06-29   14:44:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: ConservingFreedom (#5)

(Interesting to find you taking the libertarian - or at least the anti-anti-libertarian - side.)

At first glance the Libertarian philosophy looks good on paper, but would never work in practicality. Which is why there are so many, diverse, small "l" libertarians.

Libertarianism would work on an island populated by amoral, single adults.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-06-29   15:08:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: misterwhite, ConservingFreedom (#8)

Libertarianism would work on an island populated by amoral, single adults.

Libertarianism probably would not even work there. Libertarianism did not work with the libertarian project in Chile.

It was a good idea, in theory anyway. The plan was to form a sustainable community made up of people who believed in capitalism, limited government, and self-reliance. The site was already picked out: 11,000 acres of fertile land nestled in the valleys of the Chilean Andes, just an hour's drive away from the capital of Santiago, to the east, and the Pacific Ocean, to the west. Residents could make money growing and exporting organic produce while enjoying Chile's low taxes and temperate climate. This was no crackpot scheme to establish a micronation on a platform floating in the middle of the ocean (a common libertarian dream)—this was a serious attempt to build a refuge where free marketers and anarcho-capitalists could hole up and wait for the world's fiat currencies to collapse. They called it "Galt's Gulch Chile" (GGC), naming it for the fictional place where the world's competent capitalists flee to in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged.

The project was conceived in 2012 by four men: John Cobin, an American expat living in Chile who once ran unsuccessfully for Congress in South Carolina; Jeff Berwick, the globe-trotting founder of the Dollar Vigilante, a financial newsletter that preaches the coming end of the current monetary system; Cobin's Chilean partner; and Ken Johnson, a roving entrepreneur whose previous investment projects included real estate, wind turbines, and "water ionizers," pseudoscientific gizmos that are advertised as being able to slow aging.

That initial group quickly fell apart, though today the principals disagree on why. Now, two years after its founding, the would-be paradise is ensnared in a set of personal conflicts, mainly centered on Johnson. Instead of living in a picturesque valley selling Galt's Gulch–branded juice, the libertarian founders are accusing one another of being drunks, liars, and sociopaths. GGC's would-be inhabitants have called Johnson a "weirdo," a "pathological liar," "insane," a "scammer," and other, similar things. Some shareholders are pursuing legal action in an effort to remove him from the project, a drastic measure for antigovernment types to take. Johnson, who remains the manager of the trust that controls the land, claims all the allegations against him are false.

Continue reading here to learn what happened …

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-29   15:49:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Gatlin, misterwhite (#11)

Libertarianism did not work with the libertarian project in Chile.

That project never got off the ground because of the shenanigans of its founder, so we have no idea whether it would have worked. The closest the article comes to claiming an indictment of libertarianism is ... not very:

"it may be true that some of the founders' aversion to government-run legal systems and reliance on handshake agreements hurt them—Berwick's assumption that he owned half of the company with Johnson, though he apparently didn't have documents that stated as much, seems oddly naïve in hindsight.

"Libertarians are normally wary of governments and other large organizations, but in this case they seem to have been too trusting of the idea of the Gulch in general and Johnson in particular. There's nothing uniquely libertarian about putting faith in people who say they share your beliefs, or about wanting to build a utopia far from the grubby reality of your current home—but the idea that you can buy your way into paradise seems tailor-made for that political tribe. Looking back, it seems the problem was that the Gulchers weren't as skeptical of the scheme as they should have been simply because it was spun by their ideological allies."

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-06-30   11:49:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: ConservingFreedom (#18)

"That project never got off the ground because of the shenanigans of its founder ..."

Ah. I see. And I suppose the reason socialism doesn't work is because the wrong people are in charge.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-07-01   9:36:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#26. To: misterwhite (#25)

And I suppose the reason socialism doesn't work is because the wrong people are in charge.

Apples and oranges - socialism has been implemented rather than merely planned, and by many people in many places.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-07-05 12:24:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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