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Title: The Government Made Me a Litterbug
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Eric Peters Autos
URL Source: http://ericpetersautos.com/2016/06/24/government-made-litterbug/
Published: Jun 24, 2016
Author: Eric
Post Date: 2016-06-28 05:57:55 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 4260
Comments: 38
Uncle has turned me into a litterbug. I’ve chucked empty beer bottles out the window. I do not like doing this. I feel guilty about doing this. I never used to do this. So why do I do it now? Because having an “open container” – or an empty one – in one’s car invites severe (and for me, a car journalist, life-altering) consequences. If one happens to be pulled over by a cop for any random reason (seatbelt “violation,” “speeding,” an out-of-date sticker) and he sees an “open” or “empty” in the car, you are in serious trouble. Better call Saul. Even if the “empty” has been empty for weeks. Even if all you’ve had is a sip – and your BAC level is nowhere near the legal limit defining “drunk” driving. It doesn’t matter. You still face the possibility of being charged with “drinking while driving” or “driving under the influence” – whatever the verbiage – and are subject to arrest and prosecution just as you would be if you “blew” a .08 or more on the Breathalyzer (see here for an interesting legal explanation/analysis) machine. Except you didn’t. Not being “drunk” isn’t a defense. All that’s required to establish your “guilt” is the presence in the car of the open/empty container – even if it’s not yours. Even if you didn’t have so much as a sip. You are presumed guilty of drinking while driving by dint of the presence of the container and it being opened or empty. This is not unlike characterizing an 18-year-old as a “sex offender” because he had relations with his 17-year-old girlfriend. Sober drivers are subject to being arrested and convicted and their lives ruined for what amounts to the same offense – in terms of what will happen to them – as drivers whose BAC levels are at or beyond the legal threshold defining them as “drunk.” Even though theirs aren’t. Hence the motivation to throw any empties out the window. Littering is a small bust. Clovers (see here) will sniff that people simply ought not to drink alcohol while driving, ever, regardless of the amount. But the presence of a bottle in the car does not establish that the driver has been drinking. Only that someone did. At some point. Maybe a long time ago. But even if the driver was drinking, so what? It’s ok – legal – for me to drive after having a meal with a beer to wash it down. I could walk up to a cop, tell him I am going over to that restaurant across the street to have a steak and plan to have a beer with that steak. And then drive home. The cop – if he is a vengeful dick – could perhaps pull me over to “check” whether I’ve had more than one beer, but provided my BAC level is under the limit, provided he cannot fault my driving, he can do nothing to me, legally speaking. Why should it matter whether I drink the same beer on the way home? My BAC will be about the same – well within the lawful range, either way. And if that BAC isn’t at the “drunk driving” threshold (.08) what’s the problem? Especially if it’s well below the threshold. Open container or not. Well, here’s the problem: Clovers equate the presence of any alcohol whatever in one’s system with “drunk” driving – and are positively itching to imprison people for this “offense.” But they know it’s not – yet – politically palatable to cage people for having even trace amounts of alcohol in their systems, so they don’t say this openly. Instead, they shriek about “open containers.” But isn’t it the same thing? These victims – and that’s the right word – aren’t being caged for drunkenness. They are being caged for drinking. Open container laws are in force in almost every state – egged on by Uncle, who uses the bully stick of withholding federal highway monies – to cage people who aren’t “drunk” (or even close to it) according to any of the current standards (BAC levels, roadside gymnastic exercises) by which “impairment” is measured; who have nil or practically nil BAC levels. Who don’t even have to have been drinking to get convicted of drinking. They merely had an open container in the car. Doesn’t matter whether they had just as sip. Five minutes ago – or five weeks ago. Or not at all. Just that it is open. Or that it once contained alcohol. In other words, mere possession of the open alcohol container is the thing. This is what presumes impairment – even if the driver isn’t and the usual tests reveal him to be well within the law. The “open container” thing is simply a tactical tacit step toward outright Prohibition. That’s the end goal. The eventual criminalization of alcohol consumption in any amount within the nimbus of the operation of a motor vehicle. This objective has been openly stated by the uber Clovers at Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD). And they have succeeded with regard to drivers under the age of 21. It is already “zero tolerance” for them. Eventually, for us, too. Some may see this as a good thing, the usual mantras about “safety” wafting through the air. But we’re far from safe when the state can convict you of “drinking” while driving even when you haven’t been – and can convict you of being a “drunk” when all you’ve had is a drink. Or even just a sip. 
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
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”What we have here is ... ” A case of being “damned if you do something” and again being “damned if you do something else.” You are “damned” for driving with an open container in your vehicle and you are “damned” if you litter. A seemingly complex problem where a moronic Paultard tries to avoid the violation of one law by violating another law has a very simple solution … do neither!
I had no expectation that you would see the absurdity of this law. Which is why you will always be ridiculed as a *Clover, or in terms even you can understand, *Canary - The root cause of every affront to liberty. The spoonful of shit that ruins a gallon of ice cream. Canaries do not believe in live and let live. They believe in telling others how to live – at gunpoint, if necessary. Fawning sycophants like you and the other statist filth that infest this site are the enemies of freedom. Which is why you are deserving of nothing more than scorn and ridicule.
No one should "drink and drive" ... then throw the container out of the vehicle to liter. If that makes me "deserving of nothing more that scorn and ridicule," then so be it.
As usual, in your haste to strut your Nazi credentials, you missed the entire point of the article. Oh well - I've long ago realized that anything which threatens or challenges your statist world view is something you cower in fear from. If that makes me "deserving of nothing more that scorn and ridicule," then so be it. And I will continue to do so at every opportunity.
I missed nothing. If the author doesn't like the laws, then work to get those laws changed. Writing a "stupid parody" did absolutely nothing ... NOTHING! What constructive gain did the article contribute?
I drank a redds ale the other day. While at the river. I didn't want to litter so i brought it back to my truck and put it behind the seat. Do you think it should be illegal to have that empty bottle behind my seat?
It's not. I've stopped hundreds of motorists with empty alcoholic beverage bottles and cans. In NY there is a deposit on the bottles and cans so it's common place to find old dead soldiers inside the vehicle, the trunk or in the bed of a truck. It's simple to smell an empty bottle or can for freshness. If the driver doesn't have an odor of alcoholic beverage on his breath... and the can or bottle is bone dry and has no fresh odor, then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that an open alcoholic beverage wasn't open prior to the traffic stop. Now... you pull a vehicle over, the driver is shitfaced and there's a very wet carpet and a FRESHLY FINISHED CAN jammed under the seat (like you weren't ever gonna figure out he dumped the beer while you pulled him over and Einstein hid the can under his seat... as if an officer won't smell that, find that or figure that out... is another story. Does a rookie officer, idiot officer (that never should have been hired) or poorly trained officer ever write the ticket of open container for an old dead soldier? Sure. Happens RARELY compared to all the solid deserving tickets for actual open containers. Decktard would like your readers to think issuing false open container tickets is an epidemic... and that's the yella he portrays to cause LE distrust and hate to further his pro drug agenda. Now, with that said, I've never been a fan of the open container law. Who cares if someone in the vehicle is drinking a beer... even the driver, AS LONG AS THE DRIVER IS SOBER. It is possible to drink one beer and still be sober. For this reason, the only time I issued open container tickets is when they actually did have an open container AND the driver was drunk. Otherwise I made them dump the beer out and continue on their way.
I am startled by your post. Where is your common useage of 'paultard' or 'libtard' or some other denegrating derivation that you find in your GOP lexicon? I want to further point out, that is the longest post you have ever made. Did you have your mom author it?
Fuck off, douche bag. I talk to people the way they deserve to be treated. I talked to people while on the job the same way. Stone gets my respect. You, Decktard, Hondope, Peter Puff, Fred's Dick Hertz, ConservingPaultard and a host of other drug addict loving shitbirds don't deserve anything other than the way any of you would treat any officer before the officer even opens his mouth.
Man ... oh man ... oh man ... now my feelings are hurt. I can't hold back the sudden rush of tears streaming down my face. As a bigshot corrupt PIG can you hand me a hanky?
If I thought you'd use it, I'd toss you a knife. You could either turn it upon yourself (and make me piss my pants happy)... or make me even happier if you turn it upon me and I show you what happens when you bring a knife to a gun fight. lol
When did this maejeckal event occur? Citing Trump does not count.
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#2. To: Gatlin (#1)
You are “damned” for driving with an open container in your vehicle
#3. To: Deckard (#2)
Which is why you are deserving of nothing more than scorn and ridicule.
#5. To: Gatlin (#3)
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No one should "drink and drive" ... then throw the container out of the vehicle to liter.
#6. To: Deckard (#5)
... you missed the entire point of the article.
#8. To: Gatlin (#6)
#25. To: A K A Stone (#8)
#26. To: GrandIsland (#25)
#28. To: buckeroo (#26)
#29. To: GrandIsland (#28)
#30. To: buckeroo (#29)
can you hand me a hanky?
#32. To: GrandIsland (#30)
If I thought ...
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