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Bang / Guns Title: The Goal Is People Control, Not Gun Control The GOP is getting ready to do what the GOP always does – cave to the force of progressive bullies. According to CBS News’s Steven Portnoy, McConnell has a meeting with FBI director James Comey and Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson on Wednesday. Portnoy Tweeted that McConnell has signaled he may be willing to consider new gun controls after that meeting. Via SSI, it might be claimed that this is all being done for a purpose and by design, effecting no change except for raising money. The Republicans have had the White House and the Senate and the House and they have never passed real pro-gun legislation. Bought a full auto lately? Heck, have you priced a full auto lately? The Democrats as recently as a few years ago had Obama and the Senate and the House. They didn’t pass gun confiscation legislation either. It’s a game to keep us distracted. The Republicans get to scare us with threats of Democrat gun control and we send them money and vote them into office. For the Democrats, it keeps their rabid base energized to send the Democrats lots of money and get them voted into office. Heck, even the famous NRA would go broke if real gun rights legislation ever passed into law. So, how does this lead us to the shootings in Florida? When things like this happen, I always implore the motto, “follow the money”. Who wins with a shooting of this type? Obviously, the two political parties do. It’s unlikely that any real legislation will be introduced between now and the election. Republicans want to be reelected. Of course Republicans and the NRA are now pushing a “real” bill to keep guns out of the hands of the terrorists. The Democrats will whine and cry that it isn’t enough but will go along. Of course once it’s passed and folks want to exercise due process over being on the terrorist watch list, we’ll all be told that national security trumps any legal protections. And both sides will continue their fund raising. Well, this is a jaded view, and I’m not above being quite jaded, but this analysis seems to me to ignore several very important things. First of all, many republicans come from the Northeast where they do want gun control, but they actually fear the loss of that percentage of voters who can put them out of office. Second, the democrats haven’t passed gun control for one simple reason, i.e., lack of votes. If they had the votes, you can be assured they would have most white, conservative Christians hooked up to mill wheels turning grain into flour and corn into grits. The rest would be in concentration camps (Fusion centers). Ideology trumps donations because enslavement of the working class produces wealth for the elitists. They will always find a way to enrich themselves. So if mere interest in campaign donations isn’t the impetus behind this, what is? Before we get to that, take careful note of what Donald Trump said about this push for gun control. In an abrupt shift in message, Donald Trump indicated Wednesday that he might be taking on a Republican tenet: the party’s long-standing opposition to gun control. Trump said he would talk to the NRA about not allowing “people on the terrorist watch list, or the no fly list, to buy guns.” In typical fashion for the presumptive Republican nominee, the announcement came via Twitter: I will be meeting with the NRA, who has endorsed me, about not allowing people on the terrorist watch list, or the no fly list, to buy guns. The NRA, for its part, says there’s no conflict: Happy to meet @realdonaldtrump. Our position is no guns for terrorists—period. Due process & right to self-defense for law-abiding Americans In a statement, the NRA said it would be “happy to meet with Donald Trump.” But that: “The NRA believes that terrorists should not be allowed to purchase or possess firearms, period. Anyone on a terror watchlist who tries to buy a gun should be thoroughly investigated by the FBI and the sale delayed while the investigation is ongoing. If an investigation uncovers evidence of terrorist activity or involvement, the government should be allowed to immediately go to court, block the sale, and arrest the terrorist. At the same time, due process protections should be put in place that allow law-abiding Americans who are wrongly put on a watchlist to be removed. That has been the position of Sen. John Cornyn (R.-Tex.) and a majority of the U.S. Senate. Sadly, President Obama and his allies would prefer to play politics with this issue.” Trump doesn’t tell the democrats on capital hill to go to hell because first he is a Northeast big government liberal, and second he doesn’t understand the predilection to evil in fallen mankind. The goal is not now and has never been gun control. The progressive goal has always been people control. You know this because when they advocate the total disarmament of the population, they always exclude the police. It isn’t that they don’t want people to have guns, it’s that they don’t want some people to have guns. If they could be assured that you would never use your guns to upset their progressive social planners and their designs for society by killing others (even to defend your loved ones), or to prevent their tyrannical designs, they wouldn’t mind you having all the guns your heart desires. But they cannot trust you with those boundary conditions, and so every machine of the state must be properly tuned to work at their disposal. Thus, no one can ever get off of the no-fly list once they have made it on. The decisions for the terrorist watch list and no-fly list are made in secret by the federal executive, and are subject only to the FISA court, which ends up being a rubber stamp for the federal executive. The terrorist watch list and the no-fly list is different, and they leverage this difference and use it to their advantage when they discuss this in front of the cameras. Furthermore, there is nothing to stop them from, say, adding all NRA members to the list, or adding you to the list, if you’re reading this article. After all, they have said they believe that the “right wing terror threat” is the biggest threat facing America today. No one in the MSM has the guts to ask why someone who is a “terrorist” is allowed to be in America to begin with. It would force the executive to admit to all of his plans for social change, his open borders policy, the fact that none of these lists are subject to due process, no jury has decided on the fate of pitiful souls who have run afoul of the system, and all such souls are left to the devices of an out-of-control executive who doesn’t care, and sends their problems to judges who have been educated at Harvard, Yale and Emory. Is anyone really surprised at this? After all, a Syrian immigrant who said 9/11 changed the world for good is a homeland security advisor. They will call light darkness and darkness light. If you believe that the second amendment is in place to ameliorate tyranny, you must be eradicated because you’re the enemy, a right-wing terrorist. Or so they seem to think. And that’s the point, isn’t it? Guns are good, and they know it. They are wonderful machines, just like cars, stoves, and HVAC. But in the “wrong” hands they can prevent the grand social designs of the ruling class. Again, the goal isn’t to destroy the gun companies. That would mean no one had guns, and no one includes them. The goal is to control whether you have them, and to do that they won’t be so obvious as to pass a law against all gun ownership. The Fuds in the hunting clubs will be left alone to purchase their shotguns for dove and quail hunting. They don’t want to anger the gentlemanly class. They will go after you by the terrorist watch list, the no-fly list, and any other assortment of executive powers and decisions and regulations and rulings. They will never confiscate your guns. They will prevent you from renewing your driver’s license, your hunting license, your fishing license, your professional license, your bank cards, your concealed handgun permits, and in short, all the framework you have built your entire life as a law abiding, peaceable citizen. Then they will go after your wife and children and their ability to enroll in education. They will go after what matters most to you. If you’re focused on guns rather than people and their relationship to the ruling class, you need to be recalibrated. Don’t ever give up your guns, but think smart and be strategic. If they can’t take you guns directly, they will attempt to control you by other means. If you’re disappointed in Donald Trump, be prepared for more to come. This is only the beginning. The GOP elitists cannot be trusted, and couldn’t care less for your ability to defend your family. The democrats want your soul, but will settle for your servitude. If they can’t come in through the front door, they will come in through the back door. Conspiracy theories are sometimes correct, but sometimes they blind you to the real situation. This is about more than campaign donations. This is about controlling you, and therefore, controlling your guns by extension. 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#13. To: Stoner (#0)
Terror Attack in Orlando Re-Exposes Great American Divide By Salena Zito June 19, 2016 SMITHTON, PA - Gunshots echoed across the mountains hugging the valley cut by the Youghiogheny River as anglers, boaters, bikers and day-hikers enjoyed the Great Allegheny Passage recreational area between Pittsburgh and Washington, D.C. A group of men in their mid-30s, dressed in biking shorts and jerseys, stood around a gazebo built for travelers on the 300-mile trail, discussing where to end their day. The gunfire horrified them — but not in a duck-we're-under- attack way. Their reactions ranged from ridicule to misunderstanding to disgust and concluded with an assumption that they were unsafe around “these people” and it was time to move along. In truth, the shots came from a local sportsmen's club. Most people around here consider the club members to be among the region's premier conservators; they stock the river every spring, lead clean-up crews along the trail, keep the deer population contained with their hunting and donate venison to needy families who can live off the meat of one buck for more than a year. Theirs is a tradition passed from father to son. They don't own AR-15s but will defend your right to do so — not because they think people should have semi- automatic weapons but because they see gun ownership as one of our freedoms that Main Street America is ceding to cosmopolitan elites. On Monday, as the motives and the blame for the Orlando massacre were dissected by “experts” on CNN, a successful Pittsburgh businessman called, distressed by the media coverage. “Why do they make me feel as though I am somehow to blame for this?” he asked. He is white, middle-aged, a gun owner, a devout Catholic and, despite his success and widespread respect for his generosity, he felt he heard a “Shame on you!” message from President Obama on down. Everyone, he said, appeared to blame the tragedy in Orlando on guns, bigots, racism and people whose religious beliefs do not support gay marriage (but likely could care less if someone is gay): “It was like a series of code-words aimed at Middle America.” Obama, many Democrats and much of the political class always come across as not being on Main Street's side. It is a feeling that makes Americans feel frustrated, ostracized, unsafe. And it adds to that disconnect that pundits always bemoan yet perversely contribute to by piling on against the “otherness” of traditional American culture. Obama inserted politics into his passionless initial reaction to the Orlando slaughter; a day later, passion emerged only when he attacked Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee. In both instances, he blamed Republicans for not passing a semi-automatic weapons ban and a ban on weapons sales to suspected terrorists on the nation's no-fly list. The last time I checked, Democrats controlled Congress and the presidency in 2009 and 2010 and they never allowed either of those measures to go to the House or Senate floor for a vote. The reason they never passed a gun-sales ban for people on any watch lists is that law enforcement doesn't want it. Last week, the FBI director's leadership team reinforced what the director himself said in 2015 — that passing a law to prevent gun-buying by people on the terror-watch list or the no-fly list would make terrorism suspects aware of their status and blow a potential investigation. To have an effective AR-15 ban, as Democrats are calling for, you would need to confiscate the guns that are out there. The proponents know that but hate to admit it. Sixty million semi-automatic weapons are legally owned in the United States. Banning sales going forward would be inconsequential and confiscation would be wildly unpopular. So, what are we left with? Grandstanding by the liberal political class, a widening gulf between them and the “otherness” of gun owners and so much politicking over a tragedy that Americans turn away in disgust. But don't think those disgusted Americans are not mourning the terrible losses of innocent lives in Orlando. They just do so in a way that does not require a news conference. Salena Zito is a Pittsburgh Tribune-Review editorial page columnist. E-mail her at szito@tribweb.com
#14. To: tomder55 (#13)
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Yes, a very good & logical question. Yet, Obunghole & his toady's do not want to talk about stopping the importing of more muzzies, which are the ones committing these heinous acts. Why is that?
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