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Title: Orlando , Florida Pulse Gay Bar Is Gun Free Zone
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Published: Jun 12, 2016
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Post Date: 2016-06-12 13:34:53 by tpaine
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Orlando , Florida Pulse Gay Bar Is Gun Free Zone

www.leg.st at e.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm ^ | June 12,2016 | Florida

Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose.

Bars are one of a long list of places that Florida establishes as gun free zones.

From Florida Statutes leg.state.fl.us:

(12)(a) A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into:
1. Any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05;
2. Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station;
3.  Any detention facility, prison, or jail;
4. Any courthouse;
5.   Any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom;
6. Any polling place;
7. Any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district;
8. Any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof;
9. Any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms;
10. Any elementary or secondary school facility or administration building;
11. Any career center;
12. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;
13. Any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;
14. The inside of the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or
15. Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.
(b)  A person licensed under this section shall not be prohibited from carrying or storing a firearm in a vehicle for lawful purposes.

Florida has the most concealed carry permits issued of any state in the nation, but it did the occupants of the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando no good because it is a gun free zone by state law

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#1. To: To, All you gungabbers, misterwhite, roscoe, nolu Chan, gatlin, grandisland, Willy Green (#0) (Edited)

How's the gun free zone 'law' in Florida strike you fellas?

All of the Klan above are on record favoring such state laws

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-12   13:39:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: tpaine, misterwhite, roscoe, nolu Chan, gatlin, grandisland, Willy Green (#1)

How's the gun free zone 'law' in Florida strike you fellas?

Whatever you are trying to say or prove is not valid here.

The cops on duty for the security at or in the club were armed.

Move along, folks ... numbnuts has lost it AGAIN.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-12   14:21:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin (#2)

The cops on duty for the security at or in the club were armed.

I haven't heard any reports to that effect yet..

Have you?

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-12   14:44:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: All (#3)

Florida Gay Nightclub Massacre Proves Armed Security Isn’t Likely to be Effective

It’s important to note that the Pulse nightclub killer exchanged gunfire with a police officer working security at the venue. The officer was unable to stop the murderer, who proceeded to kill 50 and wound dozens more. This backs-up our conclusions drawn from our school shooting simulation. When a killer attacks, the first person he targets is armed security. Given that action beats reaction, the chances are high that the perpetrator will neutralize the security first and proceed with impunity. Unless, of course, he or she encounters further armed resistance.

Specifically, armed civilians. But that wasn’t an option here. An Orlando police officer interviewed this morning by Fox News stated that all customers at The Pulse nightclub are patted down as they enter.

Here’s Nick’s write-up:

Results: Scenario 1

Scenario 1 consisted of a single armed guard seated behind a desk, facing the entryway. This position is consistent with many current configurations for schools, enabling the security guard to watch the front door and challenge visitors to the school during the day.

Unarmed participants were then walked out an opening in the wall and past the guard until the shooter emerged from the opening and engaged the guard. The guard was not aware of exactly when the shooter would emerge and therefore had no specific advanced warning.

[This type of scenario attempts to replicate situations where the shooter is carrying the firearm concealed into the school, or the security guard does not have sufficient warning through cameras or other means to alert them that an armed intruder is about to enter the school.]

According to the results from our testing, in this scenario the armed security guard appears to be ineffective at interdicting the active shooter. While the “shooter” can choose their moment to attack and prepare themselves to fire the moment they are seen by the security guard, the guard has insufficient time to respond.

In future experiments we would like to investigate the effectiveness of an armed guard when there is advanced warning, such as would be provided if the shooter was visible through a door

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-12   14:51:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: tpaine (#5)

When a killer attacks, the first person he targets is armed security. Given that action beats reaction, the chances are high that the perpetrator will neutralize the security first and proceed with impunity. Unless, of course, he or she encounters further armed resistance.

Specifically, armed civilians. But that wasn’t an option here.

Yup. People who say nobody needs guns because the police will protect us are painting targets on all our chests.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-06-12   15:01:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: ConservingFreedom (#9)

Yup. People who say nobody needs guns because the police will protect us are painting targets on all our chests.

Has anyone "said" that on LF?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-12   15:25:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Gatlin (#24)

Not that I've noticed.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-06-12   15:31:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: ConservingFreedom (#28)

ivn.us/2012/11/10/how-did...-perform-in-the-election/

In 2012, Virgil Goode, of the Constitution Party, received 4,130 votes,which represents <1% of the popular vote. He was on the ballot in 26 states and as a write-in in 13 states.

Vinny  posted on  2016-06-12   15:48:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Vinny (#35)

In 2012, Virgil Goode, of the Constitution Party, received 4,130 votes,which represents <1% of the popular vote.

Did you have a point?

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-06-12   15:50:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: ConservingFreedom (#36)

You betcha! I have a point.

The Constitution Party has app. 158 supporters in 26 states.

I think Vermin Supreme received more votes.

Vinny  posted on  2016-06-12   16:12:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#44. To: Vinny (#42)

You betcha! I have a point.

The Constitution Party has app. 158 supporters in 26 states.

I think Vermin Supreme received more votes.

Seems to me like a pointless point.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-06-12 17:41:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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