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Title: Orlando , Florida Pulse Gay Bar Is Gun Free Zone
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Published: Jun 12, 2016
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Post Date: 2016-06-12 13:34:53 by tpaine
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Orlando , Florida Pulse Gay Bar Is Gun Free Zone

www.leg.st at e.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm ^ | June 12,2016 | Florida

Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose.

Bars are one of a long list of places that Florida establishes as gun free zones.

From Florida Statutes leg.state.fl.us:

(12)(a) A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into:
1. Any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05;
2. Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station;
3.  Any detention facility, prison, or jail;
4. Any courthouse;
5.   Any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom;
6. Any polling place;
7. Any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district;
8. Any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof;
9. Any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms;
10. Any elementary or secondary school facility or administration building;
11. Any career center;
12. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;
13. Any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;
14. The inside of the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or
15. Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.
(b)  A person licensed under this section shall not be prohibited from carrying or storing a firearm in a vehicle for lawful purposes.

Florida has the most concealed carry permits issued of any state in the nation, but it did the occupants of the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando no good because it is a gun free zone by state law

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#1. To: To, All you gungabbers, misterwhite, roscoe, nolu Chan, gatlin, grandisland, Willy Green (#0) (Edited)

How's the gun free zone 'law' in Florida strike you fellas?

All of the Klan above are on record favoring such state laws

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-12   13:39:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: tpaine, misterwhite, roscoe, nolu Chan, gatlin, grandisland, Willy Green (#1)

How's the gun free zone 'law' in Florida strike you fellas?

Whatever you are trying to say or prove is not valid here.

The cops on duty for the security at or in the club were armed.

Move along, folks ... numbnuts has lost it AGAIN.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-12   14:21:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin (#2)

The cops on duty for the security at or in the club were armed.

I haven't heard any reports to that effect yet..

Have you?

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-12   14:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Gatlin (#2)

"The cops on duty for the security at or in the club were armed."

I thought I read that the first person shot was the security guard. Then the shooter went inside.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-06-12   14:44:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: All (#3)

Florida Gay Nightclub Massacre Proves Armed Security Isn’t Likely to be Effective

It’s important to note that the Pulse nightclub killer exchanged gunfire with a police officer working security at the venue. The officer was unable to stop the murderer, who proceeded to kill 50 and wound dozens more. This backs-up our conclusions drawn from our school shooting simulation. When a killer attacks, the first person he targets is armed security. Given that action beats reaction, the chances are high that the perpetrator will neutralize the security first and proceed with impunity. Unless, of course, he or she encounters further armed resistance.

Specifically, armed civilians. But that wasn’t an option here. An Orlando police officer interviewed this morning by Fox News stated that all customers at The Pulse nightclub are patted down as they enter.

Here’s Nick’s write-up:

Results: Scenario 1

Scenario 1 consisted of a single armed guard seated behind a desk, facing the entryway. This position is consistent with many current configurations for schools, enabling the security guard to watch the front door and challenge visitors to the school during the day.

Unarmed participants were then walked out an opening in the wall and past the guard until the shooter emerged from the opening and engaged the guard. The guard was not aware of exactly when the shooter would emerge and therefore had no specific advanced warning.

[This type of scenario attempts to replicate situations where the shooter is carrying the firearm concealed into the school, or the security guard does not have sufficient warning through cameras or other means to alert them that an armed intruder is about to enter the school.]

According to the results from our testing, in this scenario the armed security guard appears to be ineffective at interdicting the active shooter. While the “shooter” can choose their moment to attack and prepare themselves to fire the moment they are seen by the security guard, the guard has insufficient time to respond.

In future experiments we would like to investigate the effectiveness of an armed guard when there is advanced warning, such as would be provided if the shooter was visible through a door

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-12   14:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Gatlin, tpaine (#2)

Move along, folks ... numbnuts has lost it AGAIN.

Who the FUCK are you to order us to "move along?"

buckeroo  posted on  2016-06-12   14:57:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: To, All you gungabbers, misterwhite, roscoe, nolu Chan, gatlin, grandisland, Willy Green (#2)

To, All you gungabbers, misterwhite, roscoe, nolu Chan, gatlin, grandisland, Willy Green (#0) (Edited)

How's the gun free zone 'law' in Florida strike you fellas?

All of the Klan above are on record favoring such state laws.

Whatever you are trying to say or prove is not valid here.

I'm trying to say that the jihadist would have been shot down by armed customers before he had the chance to kill as many as he did.

You're trying to defend a state 'law' that's indefensible, and unconstitutional.

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-12   14:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: tpaine (#3)

The cops on duty for the security at or in the club were armed.

I haven't heard any reports to that effect yet..

Have you?

Of course, otherwise I would not have posted it.

FOX News before daybreak this morning made mention of it.

Did not say how many, but there was at least one.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-12   15:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: tpaine (#5)

When a killer attacks, the first person he targets is armed security. Given that action beats reaction, the chances are high that the perpetrator will neutralize the security first and proceed with impunity. Unless, of course, he or she encounters further armed resistance.

Specifically, armed civilians. But that wasn’t an option here.

Yup. People who say nobody needs guns because the police will protect us are painting targets on all our chests.

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-06-12   15:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: buckeroo (#6)

Who the FUCK are you to order us to "move along?"

Gatlin pretends to be a retired major, and a conservative.

He's neither.

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-12   15:01:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: buckeroo (#6)

Who the FUCK are you to order us to "move along?"

I am Gatlin, that is who I am.

Wait a minute, let me put on my fascist cap.

I AM GATLIN, THAT IS WHO I AM!!!

There, that was more authoritarian.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-12   15:03:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: ConservingFreedom, y'all (#9)

People who say nobody needs guns because the police will protect us are painting targets on all our chests.

Well, I've pinged most here to this thread, but somehow they can't come up with the balls to defend their position.

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-12   15:06:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Gatlin (#11)

I AM GATLIN, THAT IS WHO I AM!!!

naw. You are just a potatoe peeler living off the fat o' the land by the good grace of thousands of hard working Americans.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-06-12   15:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: tpaine (#10)

Gatlin pretends to be a retired major, and a conservative.

He's neither.

I am just The Great Pretender.

ROTFL ..

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-12   15:09:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: buckeroo (#13)

I am not just a potato peeler.

I am THE GREATEST POTATO PEELER living off the fat o' the land by the good grace of thousands of hard working Americans.

And I sincerely thank you for your contributions to my health and well being.

ROTFL ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-12   15:11:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Gatlin (#15)

And I sincerely thank you for your contributions to my health and well being.

We will remove your free handouts in the near future when we get a change of management in Congress.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-06-12   15:14:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: misterwhite (#4)

"The cops on duty for the security at or in the club were armed."

I thought I read that the first person shot was the security guard. Then the shooter went inside.

The way I heard it on the news was that a security guard (a cop) was outside and engaged the terrorist before the terrorist got inside. Those early reports are sometime unreliable ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-12   15:15:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: buckeroo (#16)

And I sincerely thank you for your contributions to my health and well being.

We will remove your free handouts in the near future when we get a change of management in Congress.

Then you will be depriving some wonderful charities of goodly sums of money.

But you don't give a fuck about anyone except yourself, so that will not matter to you ... dumb ass Paultard.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-12   15:17:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Gatlin (#18)

Then you will be depriving some wonderful charities of goodly sums of money.

Good. We don't need you deciding how to make transfer payments.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-06-12   15:19:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: tpaine (#0)

Gay Bar Is Gun Free Zone

Most faggots don't carry guns anyway. Most are libtarded. They expect others to protect them. I guess that shit didn't work that well.

More fuel for Trumps fire. Fuckin filthy diaper head.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-06-12   15:20:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Gatlin (#14)

I am just The Great Pretender.

You sure are.

That's a great old song, very popular the year I was in basic. -- which I doubt you ever experienced, given your politics.

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-12   15:21:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: tpaine (#7)

I'm trying to say that the jihadist would have been shot down by armed customers before he had the chance to kill as many as he did.

A statement based upon an invalid assumption can surely display gross ignorance.

You have no way of knowing what would or would not have happened if it were not a gun free zone.

Wait, I forgot ... you are one of those Paultards who can read a headline and form an opinion without ever reading the article.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-12   15:23:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: GrandIsland (#20)

More fuel for Trumps fire. Fuckin filthy diaper head.

Now you're calling Trump names?

Weird fella.

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-12   15:25:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: ConservingFreedom (#9)

Yup. People who say nobody needs guns because the police will protect us are painting targets on all our chests.

Has anyone "said" that on LF?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-12   15:25:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: tpaine (#0)

This event smacks of a government Pirate Flag operation designed to make Moooslims and gay loving libertarians look bad.

Carry on.

Vinny  posted on  2016-06-12   15:28:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Gatlin, tpaine (#22)

You have no way of knowing what would or would not have happened if it were not a gun free zone.

I think there are grounds for an educated hypothesis: "The First Responders Report™ brings you stories of people who are alive today because they had fully loaded, readily accessible firearms for their intended purpose -- to protect innocent life and property from criminal assault when it is immediately necessary -- actions you can take that are guaranteed by law." - www.gunlaws.com/The FirstRespondersReport.htm

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-06-12   15:30:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: tpaine, GrandIsland (#23)

More fuel for Trumps fire. Fuckin filthy diaper head.

Now you're calling Trump names?

Weird fella.

You got that turned around ... confused as always.

Trump ain't no fuckin filthy diaper head ... Trump is no Paultard living in California.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-12   15:31:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Gatlin (#24)

Not that I've noticed.

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-06-12   15:31:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Gatlin, the gungrabber, recants on gun free zones? (#22)

To, All you gungabbers, misterwhite, roscoe, nolu Chan, gatlin, grandisland, Willy Green (#0) (Edited)

How's the gun free zone 'law' in Florida strike you fellas?

All of the Klan above are on record favoring such state laws.

Whatever you are trying to say or prove is not valid here.
I'm trying to say that the jihadist would have been shot down by armed customers before he had the chance to kill as many as he did.

You're trying to defend a state 'law' that's indefensible, and unconstitutional.

A statement based upon an invalid assumption can surely display gross ignorance. --- You have no way of knowing what would or would not have happened if it were not a gun free zone.

You defend gun free zone legislation in the thread posted this morning.

Now you deny that position?

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-12   15:32:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: ConservingFreedom (#26)

I think there are grounds for an educated hypothesis

If he meant it to be, then I could take it as such.

But knowing tapine ... I will have a hard time believing he did.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-12   15:33:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: tpaine (#29) (Edited)

You defend gun free zone legislation in the thread posted this morning.

Now you deny that position?

No need to deny anything.

What I said this morning was that I believe states individually have the right to regulate interstate commerce and the feds have the right to regulate intrastate commerce.

I still believe that.

I am a firm believer of States Rights ... the old George Wallace School sans any racism.

I have never called for a gun free zone at anytime or for anyplace.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-12   15:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: ConservingFreedom (#28)

Thanks, I was wondering if I missed it.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-12   15:41:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: buckeroo (#13)

... living off the fat o' the land ...

Living off the fat of the land ... Ah ya, ole Bobby McGee!!

ROTFL ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-12   15:45:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: buckeroo (#19)

Then you will be depriving some wonderful charities of goodly sums of money.

Good. We don't need you deciding how to make transfer payments.

Not a problem ...

I never have to decide anything about personal finances, I have accountants programmed to do that for me.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-12   15:48:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: ConservingFreedom (#28)

ivn.us/2012/11/10/how-did...-perform-in-the-election/

In 2012, Virgil Goode, of the Constitution Party, received 4,130 votes,which represents <1% of the popular vote. He was on the ballot in 26 states and as a write-in in 13 states.

Vinny  posted on  2016-06-12   15:48:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Vinny (#35)

In 2012, Virgil Goode, of the Constitution Party, received 4,130 votes,which represents <1% of the popular vote.

Did you have a point?

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-06-12   15:50:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: tpaine (#21)

That's a great old song, very popular the year I was in basic. -- which I doubt you ever experienced, given your politics.

Doubt what you will ... you always do, regardless of what information is presented to you.

All Paultards suffer form that affliction ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-12   15:51:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Gatlin (#31)

I believe states individually have the right to regulate interstate commerce and the feds have the right to regulate intrastate commerce.

Are you sure you didn't get that backward?

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-06-12   15:51:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Gatlin, now in denial, supports States Rights, but claims they can't write gun free zones ' laws ' (#31)

I have never called for a gun free zone at anytime or for anyplace.

I say let the forum readers decide what you wrote regarding the rights of States to regulate guns: ---

Title: Peruta v San Diego Cty, no 2nd Amdt right to concealed Carry

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-12   15:52:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: tpaine, Gatlin (#27)

You got that turned around ... confused as always.

Gatlin is quite a bit smarter than you. Even that filthy gorilla that was shot a few weeks ago would have known what I was sayin.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-06-12   15:55:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: ConservingFreedom (#38) (Edited)

I believe states individually have the right to regulate interstate commerce and the feds have the right to regulate intrastate commerce.

Are you sure you didn't get that backward?

Yea, I did.

Slow down, Gatlin.

Thanks ...

Edit: You are probably the only one that caught it since most people read what they want to read into something.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-12   15:57:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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