[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

"International court’s attack on Israel a sign of the free world’s moral collapse"

"Pete Hegseth Is Right for the DOD"

"Why Our Constitution Secures Liberty, Not Democracy"

Woodworking and Construction Hacks

"CNN: Reporters Were Crying and Hugging in the Hallways After Learning of Matt Gaetz's AG Nomination"

"NEW: Democrat Officials Move to Steal the Senate Race in Pennsylvania, Admit to Breaking the Law"

"Pete Hegseth Is a Disruptive Choice for Secretary of Defense. That’s a Good Thing"

Katie Britt will vote with the McConnell machine

Battle for Senate leader heats up — Hit pieces coming from Thune and Cornyn.

After Trump’s Victory, There Can Be No Unity Without A Reckoning

Vivek Ramaswamy, Dark-horse Secretary of State Candidate

Megyn Kelly has a message for Democrats. Wait for the ending.

Trump to choose Tom Homan as his “Border Czar”

"Trump Shows Demography Isn’t Destiny"

"Democrats Get a Wake-Up Call about How Unpopular Their Agenda Really Is"

Live Election Map with ticker shows every winner.

Megyn Kelly Joins Trump at His Final PA Rally of 2024 and Explains Why She's Supporting Him

South Carolina Lawmaker at Trump Rally Highlights Story of 3-Year-Old Maddie Hines, Killed by Illegal Alien

GOP Demands Biden, Harris Launch Probe into Twice-Deported Illegal Alien Accused of Killing Grayson Davis

Previously-Deported Illegal Charged With Killing Arkansas Children’s Hospital Nurse in Horror DUI Crash

New Data on Migrant Crime Rates Raises Eyebrows, Alarms

Thousands of 'potentially fraudulent voter registration applications' Uncovered, Stopped in Pennsylvania

Michigan Will Count Ballot of Chinese National Charged with Voting Illegally

"It Did Occur" - Kentucky County Clerk Confirms Voting Booth 'Glitch'' Shifted Trump Votes To Kamala

Legendary Astronaut Buzz Aldrin 'wholeheartedly' Endorses Donald Trump

Liberal Icon Naomi Wolf Endorses Trump: 'He's Being More Inclusive'

(Washed Up Has Been) Singer Joni Mitchell Screams 'F*** Trump' at Hollywood Bowl

"Analysis: The Final State of the Presidential Race"

He’ll, You Pieces of Garbage

The Future of Warfare -- No more martyrdom!

"Kamala’s Inane Talking Points"

"The Harris Campaign Is Testament to the Toxicity of Woke Politics"

Easy Drywall Patch

Israel Preparing NEW Iran Strike? Iran Vows “Unimaginable” Response | Watchman Newscast

In Logansport, Indiana, Kids are Being Pushed Out of Schools After Migrants Swelled County’s Population by 30%: "Everybody else is falling behind"

Exclusive — Bernie Moreno: We Spend $110,000 Per Illegal Migrant Per Year, More than Twice What ‘the Average American Makes’

Florida County: 41 of 45 People Arrested for Looting after Hurricanes Helene and Milton are Noncitizens

Presidential race: Is a Split Ticket the only Answer?

hurricanes and heat waves are Worse

'Backbone of Iran's missile industry' destroyed by IAF strikes on Islamic Republic

Joe Rogan Experience #2219 - Donald Trump

IDF raids Hezbollah Radwan Forces underground bases, discovers massive cache of weapons

Gallant: ‘After we strike in Iran,’ the world will understand all of our training

The Atlantic Hit Piece On Trump Is A Psy-Op To Justify Post-Election Violence If Harris Loses

Six Al Jazeera journalists are Hamas, PIJ terrorists

Judge Aileen Cannon, who tossed Trump's classified docs case, on list of proposed candidates for attorney general

Iran's Assassination Program in Europe: Europe Goes Back to Sleep

Susan Olsen says Brady Bunch revival was cancelled because she’s MAGA.

Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report

Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence.


Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

United States News
See other United States News Articles

Title: Major Study Destroys Drug War Fear Propaganda – As States Legalize Marijuana, Teen Use Plummets
Source: Activist Post
URL Source: http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06 ... rijuana-teen-use-plummets.html
Published: Jun 2, 2016
Author: Justin Gardner
Post Date: 2016-06-02 08:12:05 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 10576
Comments: 54

reefer madness

By Justin Gardner

A curious thing is happening as the war on weed crumbles before knowledge and reason. The propaganda campaign orchestrated during the 20th century by the State and its corporate allies is unraveling, exposing the absurdity of prohibition.

Since the gates have been pried open–to an extent–for medical cannabis research, we are discovering amazing benefits of this plant for a variety of ailments. Yet it is still classified by federal government as a Schedule 1 drug with “no medicinal value and high potential for addiction.”

Meanwhile, alcohol and cigarettes—other psychoactive drugs that actually do kill people—have no medicinal value and are highly addictive, yet are not subject to Controlled Substances classification.

Now, one more false tenet of Reefer Madness believers is being dispelled.

A major study from Washington University School of Medicine, to be published in June, found that teen use of cannabis has significantly decreased as states legalize cannabis.

A survey of more than 216,000 adolescents from all 50 states indicates the number of teens with marijuana-related problems is declining. Similarly, the rates of marijuana use by young people are falling despite the fact more U.S. states are legalizing or decriminalizing marijuana use and the number of adults using the drug has increased.

Researchers examined 12 years of data from the National Survey on Drug Use and Health. Instances of cannabis use fell by 10 percent, while “the number of adolescents who had problems related to marijuana — such as becoming dependent on the drug or having trouble in school and in relationships — declined by 24 percent…”

googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1457545802084-0'); });

This raised an important point. While responsible adult cannabis use is far less harmful than “legal drug” use, the abuse of any drug—including cannabis—is detrimental to one’s health, especially on the developing adolescent brain. Cannabis has legitimate therapeutic benefits, but like any drug can exacerbate problems that kids have in dealing with school or troubling facets of their life.

“We were surprised to see substantial declines in marijuana use and abuse,” said study author Richard A. Grucza. “We don’t know how legalization is affecting young marijuana users, but it could be that many kids with behavioral problems are more likely to get treatment earlier in childhood, making them less likely to turn to pot during adolescence. But whatever is happening with these behavioral issues, it seems to be outweighing any effects of marijuana decriminalization.”

While this study cannot show a causal connection between the decline in cannabis use in adolescents and state legalization, the fear-mongering of prohibitionists that hordes of kids are going to start smoking weed has been proven wrong.

The results of this study suggest another intriguing reality—as the taboo of something is removed, it can become less appealing or less ripe for abuse. Since kids can get real information on cannabis instead of lies and disinformation, they can make better choices.

If this is true, as well as teen cannabis use declining in part due of legalization, it follows that government is once again promoting sustained harm on the well-being of the populace. By keeping cannabis illegal, while stifling real information and pushing propaganda, the State may have increased abuse and behavioral problems among our nation’s youth.

All in all, kids seem to be taking a turn for the better.

“Adolescent crime rates have been declining for about 20 years,” Grucza told Forbes. “Teenage pregnancy rates are at an all time low. Binge drinking among high school students is dropping. (Though you wouldn’t know any of this from news coverage).”

Grucza went on to say:

It is likely that more states will continue to legalize, and no matter how well it is regulated, it will make it easier for kids to get access to marijuana, and some portion of these kids will develop problems. However, I think our results suggest that overall, kids are becoming less susceptible to getting hooked. My bet is that this will outweigh the effects of legalization.

(1 image)

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

#1. To: Deckard (#0)

"While this study cannot show a causal connection between the decline in cannabis use in adolescents and state legalization"

4 states legalized. For adults. I wouldn't expect any affect on the other 46.

"The results of this study suggest another intriguing reality — as the taboo of something is removed, it can become less appealing or less ripe for abuse."

Really? 25% of those aged 12-20 drink alcohol. So I guess we should legalize marijuana to get those percentages up there too.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-06-02   8:39:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0) (Edited)

Major Study Destroys Drug War Fear Propaganda – As States Legalize Marijuana, Teen Use Plummets

Attaboy, Deckard … you can chalk another child killed for your crusade … Attaboy, Deckard!

Keep it up with the … “Fuck the Propaganda - Fuck the War on Drugs” … keep it up, Deckard!

Cocaine And Marijuana Found In Infant At Time Of Death

May 27, 2016

Sean Buckley and Chloe 
Thomas

Post mortem examinations revealed that a 17-month- old child had cocaine and marijuana in his system when he was allegedly killed by his mother's boyfriend.

Chloe Thomas, 25, and her boyfriend Sean Buckley, 28, are accused of repeatedly beating 17-month-old Finley Thomas, the Daily Mail reported. Buckley is accused of killing the child.

Toxicology exams indicated that the couple indulged in a "a considerable use of drugs" leading up to the child’s death. It was also revealed that the infant was exposed to a cocktail of drugs prior to his death.

"These two people were responsible for the care and upbringing of this child," prosecuting attorney, Roger Thomas, told Cardiff Crown Court on May 26, according to the Daily Mail. "Allowing him to suffer drug contamination is evidence of a lack of care and a lack of concern amounting to neglect."

The court heard messages on Buckley’s phone, which indicated that he had fallen into debt from buying and selling marijuana and cocaine.

Text messages between Chloe and Buckley reportedly revealed how the couple tried to “get the story straight” about how Finley “fell down the stairs,” along with explanations for other injuries found on the child's post mortem examination.

Roger said the messages also showed Chloe’s “infatuation” with Buckley.

“It summarizes her view of Buckley,” Roger said. “She saw no wrong in him and she put the interest of her child second to that of Buckley, and ignored what was plainly in front of her eyes.

“It was said she had been a good mother, but her affection was subordinate to her desires for Mr. Buckley.”

The court was shown a video of how the meshing on the chair Buckley allegedly used to kill the infant matched the marks on the child’s scalp.

“The death was caused by Buckley on a defenseless 17-month-old child, with what we claim was quite senseless violence, by shaking him and forcing him against a chair,” Roger added. “We submit there was great tension in the household, over money, tension between each other over Buckley's habits, and claims about other women.

“Tensions had exploded. Chloe Thomas came out of the house and the only other person left is the crying child.”

The child suffered “catastrophic” head trauma after the attack. Doctors found evidence of further abuse on the child, with multiple bleeds and injuries to his head and spine. The injuries were considered “non- accidental.”

Buckley pleaded not guilty to murder charges. He and Chloe also pleaded not guilty to cruelty to a young person under 16.

The trial is expected to continue into June.

Sources: Daily Mail, Daily Mirror / Photo Credit: Wales News Service via Daily Mirror

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/health/its-bad-enough-beautiful-baby-was- killed-his-mothers-boyfriend-what-was-discovered-his

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-02   9:02:05 ET  (4 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin (#2) (Edited)

Quite the "blood dancer" you are Gatslime.

You revel in the deaths of children.

I don't.

Despicable piece of shit.

If drugs were illegal, this never would have happened.

Oh, wait....they ARE illegal.

Jackass.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-06-02   9:16:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard (#3)

You revel in the deaths of children.

I don't.

You are the one who promotes the instrument used in their deaths.

I don't.

"Fuck the Drug War Propaganda ... Fuck the Drug War.!"

Attaboy, Deckard, keep up yout crusade ... while you keep watching the CHILDREN DIE!

Attaboy, Deckard!!!

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-02   10:10:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Gatlin (#4) (Edited)

You are the one who promotes the instrument used in their deaths.

Really? Kind of a stretch for you to blame pot for the child's death.

Of course we can all see the real cause of death by reading your article.

Did you bother reading it yourself?

“The death was caused by Buckley on a defenseless 17-month-old child, with what we claim was quite senseless violence, by shaking him and forcing him against a chair,”

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-06-02   10:15:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deckard (#5)

The death was caused by Buckley

Oh no ... not this same old shit again!

It's the old "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument ... eh?

Your deduction in this case: "Drugs did not cause the death of the child, Buckley caused the death of the child."

It is no surprise to me that your ignorance far exceeds the ignorance continually displayed by hondo ... and that is a high compliment to hondo.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-02   11:06:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Gatlin (#6) (Edited)

It's the old "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument ...

Exactly.

Knowing your liberal political bent, it's easy to see why you would blame something other than the person who committed the crime.

Chloe Thomas, 25, and her boyfriend Sean Buckley, 28, are accused of repeatedly beating 17-month-old Finley Thomas, the Daily Mail reported. Buckley is accused of killing the child.

Are you going to claim that the "drugs" magically beat the child?

The court was shown a video of how the meshing on the chair Buckley allegedly used to kill the infant matched the marks on the child’s scalp.

I Repeat : "Drugs did not cause the death of the child, Buckley caused the death of the child."

“The death was caused by Buckley on a defenseless 17-month-old child, with what we claim was quite senseless violence, by shaking him and forcing him against a chair,” Roger added. “We submit there was great tension in the household, over money, tension between each other over Buckley's habits, and claims about other women.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-06-02   11:29:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Deckard (#7)

Are you going to claim that the "drugs" magically beat the child?

Nope, I am alleging that the "drugs" were the cause of his beating the child!

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-02   11:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Gatlin (#2)

Of course anything and everything that might be used to kill someone else should be outlawed.

Is that correct, Gatlin?

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-06-02   12:05:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pinguinite (#9)

Of course anything and everything that might be used to kill someone else should be outlawed.

Is that correct, Gatlin?

Nope.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-02   12:10:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Pinguinite (#9)

Of course anything and everything that might be used to kill someone else should be outlawed.

Is that correct, Gatlin?

I have been thinking about this.

In January 2013, police were called to a trailer park in Snohomish County, Washington after residents heard fighting from a neighbor’s home. When police arrived, they found 192-lb Lange apparently passed out on her 175-lb boyfriend—with her chest completely smothering his face. Although some might consider death by breasts the best way to go, it seems the boyfriend did not enjoy his final moments, as witnesses heard him screaming for Lange to get off, and investigators discovered clumps of her hair in his dead hands. Lange was charged with second-degree murder.
I certainly don’t believe that ladies’ breasts should be outlawed.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-02   12:19:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Gatlin (#8)

I am alleging that the "drugs" were the cause of his beating the child!

And none of this was a factor?

“We submit there was great tension in the household, over money, tension between each other over Buckley's habits, and claims about other women.

The fact is - this would have happened with or without drugs being involved.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-06-02   12:32:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite (#9)

Of course anything and everything that might be used to kill someone else should be outlawed.

Is that correct, Gatlin?

And the there is this:

Friends and family of Derrick Birdow said he was “out of his head” in the days before he drove a car into a Baptist church and then beat a pastor to death with an electric guitar he had picked up in the church’s music room. Birdow’s widow told authorities he was paranoid that someone had injected him with drugs, and he had tried in vain to get help from a medical center. While he was never professionally diagnosed, she believed he was mentally ill.

Of course, no one will ever know for sure what was going through Birdow’s mind when he assaulted a beloved member of the community with a stringed instrument, since he died at the scene while in a patrol car. Officers used a stun gun to restrain him before placing him in the car, but when they went to check on him 10 minutes later, they discovered he had no pulse.

As it turns out, someone (probably the deceased himself) had injected Birdow with drugs, as toxicology reports from February 2013 showed Birdow was high on PCP on the day of the incident. PCP is a hallucinogenic known to cause mood disorders, paranoia, hostility, and feelings of physical strength and invulnerability.

I certainly don’t believe that electric guitars should be outlawed. I believe that PCP should be outlawed.

Wait, it is. PCP is illegal. PCP is a Schedule II substance under the Controlled Substances Act.

But if libertarians have their way, everyone will be able to pick up some at the local convenience store.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-02   12:41:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Deckard (#12)

And none of this was a factor?

“We submit there was great tension in the household, over money, tension between each other over Buckley's habits, and claims about other women.

The chicken or the egg" dilemma.

I go for the chicken, in this case ... meaning the drugs.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-02   12:44:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Gatlin (#13)

I certainly don’t believe that electric guitars should be outlawed. I believe that PCP should be outlawed.

Wait, it is. PCP is illegal. PCP is a Schedule II substance under the Controlled Substances Act.

But if libertarians have their way, everyone will be able to pick up some at the local convenience store.

Good post. There was also a case in Colorado where a guy ate some sort of pot candy, went berserk and killed his wife. And now he's trying to use pot for a Twinkies defense. Libertarians make a lot of noise about personal responsibility, but in this case you see how they try to evade personal responsibility.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2016-06-02   12:56:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Pinguinite, Y'ALL, gatlin is a prohibitionist (#9)

Deckard (#5) --- The death was caused by Buckley (not his drug use)

Oh no ... not this same old shit again! --- It's the old "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument ... eh? ---- Gatlin

Of course anything and everything that might be used to kill someone else should be outlawed. ----- Is that correct, Gatlin? ---- pingunite

Gatlin will deny it, but that's been exactly the style of agit-prop he's been pushing for years now..

He is convinced that gov'ts have the power to prohibit. -- Any damn thing...

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-02   13:08:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: nativist nationalist (#15)

There was also a case in Colorado where a guy ate some sort of pot candy, went berserk and killed his wife. And now he's trying to use pot for a Twinkies defense. Libertarians make a lot of noise about personal responsibility, but in this case you see how they try to evade personal responsibility.

Next you'll be agreeing with gatlin that: 'since gun use can kill people, guns should be banned'.

I haven't checked that thread this morning, -- was your Kanary Klan application accepted?

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-02   13:17:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Gatlin (#13)

I certainly don’t believe that electric guitars should be outlawed.

Explain why. You haven't done that.

Why should some things that are used to kill be outlawed, but other things not.

Is it because some things are evil?

I'm not saying you're wrong, but you need a rationale for determining what things should be outlawed and what things shouldn't. The "But it's evil" argument doesn't work for me but maybe you're okay with it.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-06-02   13:29:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: tpaine (#17)

Next you'll be agreeing with gatlin that: 'since gun use can kill people, guns should be banned'.

You could say that if he had reached the conclusion that electric guitars should be outlawed, but he had the exact opposite conclusion. And he employed the electric guitar as an analogy to guns. His argument was well reasoned.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2016-06-02   13:31:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: nativist nationalist (#19)

Next you'll be agreeing with gatlin that: 'since gun use can kill people, guns should be banned'.

You could say that if he had reached the conclusion that electric guitars should be outlawed, but he had the exact opposite conclusion. And he employed the electric guitar as an analogy to guns. His argument was well reasoned.

Here was his reasoning after Deckard (#5):

--- The death was caused by Buckley

(not his drug use)

Oh no ... not this same old shit again! --- It's the old "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument ... eh? - --- Gatlin

This is NOT well reasoned argument, it is gun bashing bull.

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-02   13:56:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: tpaine (#16)

He is convinced that gov'ts have the power to prohibit. -- Any damn thing...

Nope, not any damn thing. Just what the laws

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-02   16:52:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Gatlin (#21)

Gatlin will deny it, but that's been exactly the style of agit- prop he's been pushing for years now..

He is convinced that gov'ts have the power to prohibit. -- Any damn thing...

Nope, not any damn thing. Just what the laws

You didn't complete your reply, -- run out of bull?

And in any case, it's just what the Constitution allows, not what opinions about our Constitutional laws allow.

There is NO 'power to prohibit' mentioned in our Constitution.

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-02   17:39:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: tpaine (#22) (Edited)

There is no power to prohibit pedophiles in the constitution. Do you support pedophile rights?

Or it is the same power to prohibit drugsthat is the same power to prohibit pedophiles. You going to dodge this or tell me the power granted in the constitution to prohibit pedophiles?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-06-02   17:50:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Pinguinite (#18)

I certainly don’t believe that electric guitars should be outlawed.

Explain why. You haven't done that.
Then permit me to do so now. Electric guitars do not cause people to commit crimes, at least I am not aware one ever has.
Why should some things that are used to kill be outlawed, but other things not.
Because some things like biological weapons, chemical weapons, fission bombs, fusion bombs, boosted fission weapons, neutron bomb, napalm bomb, pure fusion bombs, radiological weapons and toxicological weapons are just too inherently dangerous for ownership by private citizens while other things are not.
Is it because some things are evil?
Yes.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but you need a rationale for determining what things should be outlawed and what things shouldn't.
Absolutely, I am in total agreement with you. I could not overemphasize the importance of having and being prepared with solid rationale.
The "But it's evil" argument doesn't work for me but maybe you're okay with it.
It doesn’t work for me either.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-02   18:06:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: tpaine (#22)

He is convinced that gov'ts have the power to prohibit. -- Any damn thing...

Wrong.

I am convinced that governments have the power to enforce lawsthey enact -- All damn laws they enact...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-02   18:14:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: tpaine (#22) (Edited)

There is NO 'power to prohibit' mentioned in our Constitution.

Okay, let's go there ...

The Constitution Does Not Prohibit Gender Discrimination.

Not allowing men in ladies restrooms and locker rooms ... is that prohibiting?

Do you believe men should be allow to go there.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-02   18:18:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Gatlin (#26)

Gatlin is convinced that gov'ts have the power to prohibit. -- Any damn thing...

Wrong. --- I am convinced that governments have the power to enforce lawsthey enact -- All damn laws they enact...

Our gov'ts are restrained by our Constitution, which you insist gives them the power to prohibit.

Okay, let's go there ... The Constitution does not permit ANYTHING to be “stamped top secret” and kept from the PEOPLE.

Good point, one that argues against having secrecy laws, -- except that they're obviously necessary in a military sense.

So maybe we should restrict them to military/wartime usages?

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-02   18:35:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Gatlin (#26)

There is NO 'power to prohibit' mentioned in our Constitution.

Okay, let's go there ... --- Not allowing men in ladies restrooms and locker rooms ... is that prohibiting?

Nope, it's, a reasonable regulation based on the fact that there are a lot of sexual weirdos running around in canary clan land.

Do you believe men should be allow to go there.

No, and I don't like women in the men's room at football games, either... --- But if you gotta go----

tpaine  posted on  2016-06-02   18:45:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Gatlin (#24)

Because some things like biological weapons, chemical weapons, fission bombs, fusion bombs, boosted fission weapons, neutron bomb, napalm bomb, pure fusion bombs, radiological weapons and toxicological weapons are just too inherently dangerous for ownership by private citizens while other things are not.

And you think the natural plant cannabis falls into the same category as nuclear weapons?

Is it because some things are evil?

Yes.

The "But it's evil" argument doesn't work for me but maybe you're okay with it.

It doesn’t work for me either.

But you just said some things ARE evil.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-06-03   11:41:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: tpaine (#27)

Don't be a wuss, answer 22.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-06-03   12:22:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Pinguinite (#29)

And you think the natural plant cannabis falls into the same category as nuclear weapons?

You did not ask that question, you asked:

Why should some things that are used to kill be outlawed, but other things not.

I answered your question

But you just said some things ARE evil.

Yes, I did.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-03   13:24:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Gatlin (#24)

Electric guitars do not cause people to commit crimes

Does marijuana "cause" people to commit crimes? Does alcohol?

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-06-03   13:32:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: ConservingFreedom (#32)

Does marijuana "cause" people to commit crimes? Does alcohol?

If “cause” is to mean that the "use of drugs and alcohol" are implicated in approximately 80% of the arrests and incarcerations, then the answer is probably … yes.

I will add that it should be important to note that an estimated 60% of those arrested and incarcerated for most types of crimes test positive for illegal drug use.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-03   14:19:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Gatlin (#33)

it should be important to note that an estimated 60% of those arrested and incarcerated for most types of crimes test positive for illegal drug use.

What percentage of those arrested and incarcerated for most types of crimes test positive for alcohol?

And it's no less important to note that an estimated 100% of those arrested and incarcerated for most types of crimes test positive for O2 and H2O.

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-06-03   14:41:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: ConservingFreedom (#34)

And it's no less important to note that an estimated 100% of those arrested and incarcerated for most types of crimes test positive for O2 and H2O.

If there were such a tests ...

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-03   15:19:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Gatlin (#35)

I believe oxygen concentration in the blood is often monitored.

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-06-03   15:29:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: ConservingFreedom (#36) (Edited)

And water?

Edit:

The internationally accepted standard for such testing is a GC-MS (gas chromatography, mass spectrophotometry) device. This piece of equipment is capable of isolating and identifying a wide range of drugs, including prescription drugs and illegal (contraband) drugs. It does this by matching the digitally produced peaks appearing on a graph-like sheet of computer paper. The computer tracks the time of the introduction of the sample and the exit of the sample from the device and then identifies the substance based on the retention time (how long it took the substance to pass through a column packed with inert material).

Maybe, maybe not ... on the O2.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-03   15:33:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Gatlin (#35)

Make that, "And it's no less important to note that an estimated 100% of those arrested and incarcerated for most types of crimes would test positive for O2 and H2O if they were tested."

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-06-03   15:39:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: ConservingFreedom (#38)

Okay.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-06-03   15:41:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Gatlin (#33)

"Alcohol, more than any illegal drug, was found to be closely associated with violent crimes, including murder, rape, assault, child and spousal abuse. About 3 million violent crimes occur each year in which victims perceive the offender to have been drinking and statistics related to alcohol use by violent offenders generally show that about half of all homicides and assaults are committed when the offender, victim, or both have been drinking. Among violent crimes, with the exception of robberies, the offender is far more likely to have been drinking than under the influence of other drugs." - https://www.ncadd.org/about-addiction/alcohol-drugs-and-crime

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-06-03   15:48:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



      .
      .
      .

Comments (41 - 54) not displayed.

TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Please report web page problems, questions and comments to webmaster@libertysflame.com