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Title: U.S. Army and Air Force Agonize Over Picking a New Handgun
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Popular Mechanics
URL Source: http://www.popularmechanics.com/mil ... oser-to-selecting-new-handgun/
Published: Jun 1, 2016
Author: Kyle Mizokami May 31, 2016
Post Date: 2016-06-01 19:31:22 by Willie Green
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Views: 3091
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The Department of Defense will soon chose three finalists in a competition to be the U.S. Army and Air Force's new sidearm. One of the three finalists could go on to outfit all of the services, with total sales of of 500,000 handguns—but not before the Pentagon bureaucracy makes it as long and complicated as possible. The Modular Handgun System (MHS) is a $17 million dollar effort to replace the aging Beretta M92 handgun. First adopted in the 1980s, the U.S. Army's Berettas are beginning to wear out. The M92 is also a product of another time, and hasn't kept up with recent advances in pistol technology. The first requirement is that the new handgun surpass the M92 in accuracy, reliability, ergonomics, durability, and maintainability. In a 2006 report on U.S. infantry weapon reliability, the M92 scored at the bottom compared to the M4 carbine, M16 rifle, and M249 squad automatic weapon. In every category, from handling to accuracy to maintainability, the M92 came in dead last—or tied for last. Twenty-six percent of soldiers polled reported their weapon jammed while shooting at the enemy. Forty-six percent reported they didn't have confidence in their pistol's reliability. The MHS will also incorporate new advances in infantry small arms. The pistol will have a modular grip system, a recent development that involves interchangeable, different-sized grip panels to accommodate larger or smaller hands. This has become an important feature as the percentage of women in the military—who tend to have smaller hands—has jumped 50 percent since the 1980s when M92 was adopted. The handgun will have an integral MIL-STD 1913 Picatinny Rail underneath the barrel, allowing the attachment of gadgets such as flashlights and lasers. It will also have a threaded barrel to accommodate a suppressor and should have low recoil. Currently there are twelve bidders for the contract, including the Beretta APX, Ceská Zbrojovka's CZ P-09, FN Herstal's Five-Seven Mk 2, General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems (GDOTS) and Smith & Wesson's M&P polymer handgun; the Glock 17 and 22; and Sig Sauer's P320. An updated version of the M9, the Beretta M9A3, was rejected by the Army and won't be involved in the competition. The pistol's caliber is still up in the air. Nine-millimeter and .40 Smith & Wesson appear to be the top contenders, with FN's 5.7-millimeter pistol also in the running, shooting a bullet that hadn't been invented when the M92 was first fielded. The venerable .45 ACP round, used for decades with the M1911A1 pistol, appears to have been disregarded due to the round's perceived heavy recoil. The selection process—beset by the Pentagon bureaucracy—is progressing at a snail's pace. First begun in 2015, the MHS program will chose three semifinalists in August, with a nine month evaluation process to follow. A winner will be picked afterward, with the winning entry to go into "low rate production." That means it will be at least another thirteen months before any pistols are delivered to the military. The program's complexity has been stifling, prompting complaints from the Army's top general and Congress. The paper outlining the MHS's requirements runs a ridiculous 350 pages. Senator John McCain described the handgun selection process as "byzantine", and Army Chief of Staff General Mark Miley complained in March, "We're not figuring out the next lunar landing. This is a pistol. Two years to test? At $17 million?" Miley claimed he could walk into a Cabelas outdoors store with $17 million dollars and buy a handgun for every person in the military. Miley may be exaggerating on how many pistols he could buy—even with a 20 percent bulk discount, $17 million would still only score you 40,000 Glock 17 pistols—but he's not wrong about the guns themselves. Practically every entrant for the Modular Handgun System is already on the lucrative civilian market in the United States, owned by thousands—in some cases, such as the Glock 17—by millions. The selection should be a fairly easy choice. For most gun owners, buying a new handgun is a quick process that takes no more than a few hours scrutiny. For the Pentagon, it's a process that requires hundreds of pages of paperwork and years of hand-wringing before even finalists can be named. The Beretta M92 ranks at the bottom of all the firearms used by the U.S. Army and Air Force—but it'll take the Pentagon years to field a replacement.
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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)
Sig Sauer P320.
Seems they are over complicating the decision process. If it were up to me, I would probably pick the Sig, or the Glock. But, I would choose .45 ACP, not the 9mm. Maybe .40 S&W. But I am a 1911 guy. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
I'd suggest the H&K or the Glock...in .40 S&W or 45 acp. The 9mm should be retired for good. We ain't arming rap stars and gang bangers who spray and pray. I personally prefer the .45 acp... but the .40 S&W is a good compromise between satisfactory energy levels and sliming a double stack handgun grip down for the smaller hands. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Those are all nice guns but what is your criteria? Spray and pray(large mag) 45cal would be best
" The 9mm should be retired for good. " Have to agree, even though I have several, and I carry one when doing chores on the farm ( can not hurt a Glock ). Also, if using a smaller weapon, I would prefer it over a .380, or .38 spl. My daughter is going to get her CCL, and seems to prefer a BHP, so I will give her one. Around the farm, she carries a 4 inch M65 .357, with 2 speed loaders on her belt. So, I guess in some cases a 9mm is still OK, but not for front line duty. " We ain't arming rap stars and gang bangers who spray and pray. " LOL !! Let that bunch kill each other. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
Would have to agree. It is the most combat proven pistol round. It is what I carry. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
1) Made in the USA? If Trump is President.
The womb, the most dangerous place on earth.
I am convinced Stoners Daughter; I am convinced That as FaceBook, Chobani yogurt, obama and the US Congress bring more an more muslim refugees to the USA, I have a message for all females in the US, white, black, yellow, and red. Girls, ignore the obamites, the democrat, the gop, the ruling political class, the media, and the police. Always carry a revolver. Revolvers leave no casing with your finger prints lying around. A H&R .32 magnum is nice as is a .38 or a .22WMR. Ladies and teen girls, understand and remember this: Rapist do not have day planners, rapist do not tell family and friends they are going out to find a girl to rape. Rapist do not rape in crowds or where they think anyone will come along and see the rape or hear your screams. Girls, Shoot and walk away. Leave the rapist for the fowls of the air and the beast of the field. Go home, have a good cry, a glass of wine and thank GOD you ignored the forces of the democrat and the political ruling class, and thank God Almighty that He allowed you to destroy one more rapist. Oh ya, don't forget to clean that revolver and replace the spent rounds. In the last fifty years there has not been one woman, in the USA, raped who was armed at the time of the attempted rape, NOT ONE. The womb, the most dangerous place on earth.
That is good advice Bob
Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
You know the 45 would be best. However, some of the lady Soldiers and limp wrist non athlete males would not get used to it. Believe me a lot of lady Soldiers love the 45 and want it as the service pistol of record. As Bob posted earlier, the ladies in droves are buying guns, getting to certification courses and love shooting on weekends or whenever they can. I am no longer amazed (even in Texas) of the number of women I see at the range who are there because they want to be there and not because their man dragged them there. :)
It is the advice/command that I have given my wife and granddaughter.
The womb, the most dangerous place on earth.
I will not be happy till every Christian woman in the USA is armed with a revolver. I can find nothing in the Bible that say that a girl is lie back and take it. The womb, the most dangerous place on earth.
Well, if she does not take the Hi Power, I have several Mod 36's she can can choose from. Loaded with Fed Hydra Shoks, can do a good job. In my AO, only 32 I have seen is a Charter Arms, 2". Does not look bad, priced around $300. Never shot one. What is it like? Comparable to a 38? Biggest problem, in my AO, is supply of ammo. Can always mailorder I guess. But do not know if it has an appreciable advantage over the 38, which I already have. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
Glock can make every military weapon right here in Georgia.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
The .32 H&R magnum is about the same as a .38 special with a lot less kick. Comes with either a 3.5 or 6 inch barrel. I shot a 80 coyote kill it dead with one round. The womb, the most dangerous place on earth.
That as FaceBook, Chobani yogurt, obama and the US Congress bring more an more muslim refugees to the USA, I have a message for all females in the US, white, black, yellow, and red. Girls, ignore the obamites, the democrat, the gop, the ruling political class, the media, and the police Make love If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
I am teaching combat attack shooting to men and WOMEN in sand pits on private property in the middle of nowhere. My goal is, exactly what happened outside of Orlando Florida in 1967, leave so many dead rapist and drug dealers for the fowls of the air and the beast of the field that the press and the police cannot continue to ignore the dead bodies stripped of all valuables. No where in God's word are we told to allow women to be raped or our children and grandchildren be subject to mexican drugs. If the g0vt won't fight back, then we must. The womb, the most dangerous place on earth.
If you are volunteering to proof read for me, fine, if you are simply being critical, leave me alone. The womb, the most dangerous place on earth.
#2. To: Willie Green (#0)
#3. To: Stoner (#2)
#4. To: Willie Green (#0)
Penetration(magnums)
One shot stopping power(caliber and weight).
40cal is suitable
9mm is status quo
5.7mm is specialty round IMHO
#5. To: GrandIsland (#3)
#6. To: Justified (#4)
(Edited)
" 45cal would be best "
#7. To: Justified (#4)
"Those are all nice guns but what is your criteria?"
#8. To: Willie Green (#0)
The venerable .45 ACP round, used for decades with the M1911A1 pistol, appears to have been disregarded due to the round's perceived heavy recoil.
#9. To: Stoner (#5)
My daughter is going to get her CCL
#10. To: BobCeleste (#9)
#11. To: Justified, BobCeleste (#4)
#12. To: Stoner (#10)
#13. To: redleghunter (#11)
#14. To: BobCeleste (#9)
" A H&R .32 magnum is nice as is a .38 or a .22WMR. "
#15. To: misterwhite (#7)
#16. To: Stoner (#14)
#17. To: BobCeleste (#9)
America
safe
great
again
boris
#18. To: redleghunter (#11)
the ladies in droves are buying guns, getting to certification courses and love shooting on weekends or whenever they can. I am no longer amazed (even in Texas) of the number of women I see at the range who are there because they want to be there and not because their man dragged them there. :)
#19. To: BorisY (#17)
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
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