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Title: Bill Kristol Announces That ‘There Will Be An Independent Candidate’ To Sabotage Donald Trump
Source: The Economic Collapse
URL Source: http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/ ... idate-to-sabotage-donald-trump
Published: May 30, 2016
Author: Michael Snyder
Post Date: 2016-05-30 22:35:22 by U don't know me
Keywords: None
Views: 1601
Comments: 14

Bill Kristol Announces That ‘There Will Be An Independent Candidate’ To Sabotage Donald Trump By Michael Snyder, on May 30th, 2016

It has long been my contention that the elite are more than willing to do whatever they have to do to keep Donald Trump out of the White House. There are many forms that this could take, and one potential option just became a little bit clearer. On Sunday, the founder and editor of the Weekly Standard, Bill Kristol, announced on Twitter that there “will be an independent candidate–an impressive one, with a strong team and a real chance.” Kristol has very, very deep ties to the Republican elite, and so this is certainly not an idle threat. At this point we do not know who the candidate will be, but some of the names that have been mentioned include Mitt Romney, John Kasich, Nebraska Senator Ben Sasse and billionaire Mark Cuban. Of course dividing the conservative vote would be suicidal and would virtually ensure a victory for Hillary Clinton in November. So why would Kristol and other Republican elitists want to do this?

That is a very good question, and it goes to the very core of how the game of politics is played in America today.

The truth is that the elite are accustomed to being in control of both parties, and that is why things never seem to change very much no matter who is elected.

But this time someone that the elite do not control has miraculously captured the Republican nomination, and this scares them to death.

So now the mission is to destroy the Trump candidacy at all costs, even if that means having the Republican elite sabotage the Republican nominee.

I wasn’t sure if they were actually going to pull the trigger on a major third party candidate, but Bill Kristol now says that this is absolutely going to happen…

Just a heads up over this holiday weekend: There will be an independent candidate–an impressive one, with a strong team and a real chance.

— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) May 29, 2016

Of course Donald Trump was horrified when he learned of what Kristol had said. He responded with a series of very angry tweets…

Bill Kristol has been wrong for 2yrs-an embarrassed loser, but if the GOP can’t control their own, then they are not a party. Be tough, R’s! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 29, 2016

The Republican Party has to be smart & strong if it wants to win in November. Can’t allow lightweights to set up a spoiler Indie candidate!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 29, 2016

If dummy Bill Kristol actually does get a spoiler to run as an Independent, say good bye to the Supreme Court! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 29, 2016

I would be upset too. For the Republican elite to purposely sabotage Trump and throw the election to Hillary Clinton is seemingly insane. This is something that Ben Carson commented on during a recent interview with Fox News…

Former 2016 candidate and Trump backer Ben Carson, speaking Monday on Fox News, echoed Trump’s warnings and invoked the 1992 presidential race as an example.

“A quarter of a century ago, another Clinton was running for the White House, and it was the entrance of a third-party candidate, Ross Perot, that made it possible for him to win,” Carson said. “Wouldn’t it be ironic if the same thing happened this time?”

Of course Kristol and the others that he is working with know precisely what they are doing.

There is no way in the world that Romney, Sasse, Kasich or Cuban could win. But that wouldn’t be the goal anyway. The goal would simply be to deny five or ten percent of the vote to Trump so that Hillary would win in a landslide.

At one time it seemed like such sabotage would not be necessary, but now polls have begun to shift and the elite are beginning to panic. Here is one example of how the numbers have shifted…

That data and recent events suggest that Wall Street, which currently prefers former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to real estate mogul Donald Trump, may not get the president it wants. According to the Iowa Electronic Markets, a prediction online betting platform, the probability that we’ll see a Democrat take the White House in 2016 is shrinking fast.

“The Democratic candidate was all but a certainty to win the presidency less than a month ago—it was at 74 percent and it’s down to 58 percent today,” said Hickey.

In a head to head matchup, there is a very real possibility that Trump could defeat Clinton. So that is why the elite feel that they have to make a move.

But we probably will not find out the identity of the third party candidate until some time in June at the earliest. In fact, a source that is involved in this third party effort told CBS News “not to expect an announcement for a couple of weeks.”

So for the moment, we will wait.

But without a doubt, there appears to be a unique opportunity for a third party candidate in this election cycle. A whole host of recent polls and surveys have shown that the American people are not pleased with either party at this point and that most Americans would like to see an alternative choice to either Clinton or Trump. The following comes from the New York Times…

The survey also found evidence of overwhelming interest in the presidential contest, although less than a quarter of Americans say they’re excited about it.

Worse, 55 percent of Americans, including 60 percent of Republicans and 53 percent of Democrats, say they feel helpless about the 2016 election. And two-thirds of Americans under 30 report feeling helpless.

“I am despondent,” said Cserbak. “I wouldn’t say I feel totally helpless. I do have a vote.”

Of course no matter who runs as a third party candidate, there is no way in the world that individual will win. Any third party candidate will simply play the role of spoiler, and will throw the election one way or the other.

I understand that a lot of people out there are very excited about Trump. And it would be very nice to think that the American people could actually elect a president that is not controlled by the elite.

But that is not how the real world works, and over the next several months we are going to get a very clear lesson in power politics.

If necessary, the elite will move heaven and earth if that is what it takes to keep Donald Trump out of the White House. Anyone that would suggest otherwise simply doesn’t understand how the game is played

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#1. To: U don't know me, John Kasich, Fred Mertz, *Neo-Lib Chickenhawk Wars* (#0)

Of course dividing the conservative vote would be suicidal

some of the names that have been mentioned include Mitt Romney, John Kasich, Nebraska Senator Ben Sasse and billionaire Mark Cuban

That's impossible, because anyone who would vote for Trump or a Kristol candidate, is no conservative.

It might fray the progressive neocon globalist vote a bit. Split? NO

Fred might go for Kasich?


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2016-05-30   22:49:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: hondo68 (#1)

That's impossible, because anyone who would vote for Trump or a Kristol candidate, is no conservative.

Yet for years you have pimped for Gary Johnson who is more liberal than Trump.

Trump is a conservative on most issues.

That is why Pat Buchanan supports him. A real conservative.

You just throw out a bunch of phoney bullshit.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-30   22:52:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: U don't know me (#0)

dividing the conservative vote

The Donald is not a conservative - he's just been playing one on TV. I hope Kristol's gang puts up a real conservative ... although fact that fake-as- Trump Romney has even been mentioned gives me doubts.

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-05-30   22:52:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: U don't know me (#0)

Bill Kristol Announces That ‘There Will Be An Independent Candidate’ To Sabotage Donald Trump

Any son of a bitch that does anything to increase Hellary's chance of becoming queen of this country is a subversive abomination.

rlk  posted on  2016-05-30   22:54:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: ConservingFreedom (#3)

The Donald is not a conservative

Open borders is conservative?

New World Order sell out trade deals like NAFTA, GATT, TPP are conservative right?

Bush was a conservative right?

What is a conservative according to you?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-30   22:58:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: ConservingFreedom (#3)

The Donald is not a conservative

1000 times more of a conservative than you.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-05-30   22:58:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: ConservingFreedom (#3)

I hope Kristol's

So Kristol is your defintion of a conservative. Blahahaha. Dumb.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-30   22:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#5)

What is a conservative according to you?

His answer should be a doozy!

Roscoe  posted on  2016-05-30   22:59:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: U don't know me (#0)

" Of course dividing the conservative vote would be suicidal and would virtually ensure a victory for Hillary Clinton in November. So why would Kristol and other Republican elitists want to do this? "

Because asswipe Kristol is CFR, and since they cannot control Trump, they want him defeated.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-05-30   23:02:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: ConservingFreedom (#3) (Edited)

The Donald is not a conservative

So what? What does "conservative" even MEAN nowadays?

It seems to mean nothing more than "Whatever I think".

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-31   9:22:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#5)

What is a conservative according to you?

Somebody whose professions of conservative beliefs predate their political ambitions - which let out Romney in 2012 and lets out The Donald today.

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-05-31   13:38:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#7) (Edited)

"I hope Kristol's [OMITTED BY A K A STONE:] gang puts up a real conservative ... although fact that fake-as-Trump Romney has even been mentioned gives me doubts."

So Kristol is your defintion of a conservative.

Wrong - as was made clear by the text you omitted from your reply.

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-05-31   13:42:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone, ConservingFreedom (#5)

What is a conservative according to you?

Paleoconservative as opposed to neoconservative. The neocons come from NYC liberals and have been carving up conservatism from the inside. Neocons are conservatives only as viewed by liberals or socialists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoconservatism

Paleoconservatism

Paleoconservatism (sometimes shortened to paleocon) is a conservative political philosophy found primarily in the United States stressing tradition, limited government and civil society, along with religious, regional, national and Western identity.

Paleoconservatives in the 21st century often highlight their points of disagreement with neoconservatives, especially regarding issues such as military interventionism, illegal immigration and high rates of legal immigration, as well as multiculturalism, affirmative action, trade blocs, trade unions, and foreign aid. They also criticize social welfare and social democracy, which some refer to as the "therapeutic managerial state", the "welfare-warfare state" or "polite totalitarianism". They identify themselves as the legitimate heirs to the American conservative tradition.

Elizabethtown College professor Paul Gottfried is credited with coining the term in the 1980s. He says the term originally referred to various Americans, such as conservative and traditionalist Catholics and agrarian Southerners, who turned to anti-communism during the Cold War.

Paleoconservative thought has been published by the Rockford Institute's Chronicles: A Magazine of American Culture. Politician Pat Buchanan was strongly influenced by its articles and helped create another paleocon publication, The American Conservative. Its concerns overlap those of the Old Right that opposed the New Deal in the 1930s and 1940s, as well as American social conservatism of the late 20th century expressed, for example, in the book Single Issues by Joseph Sobran.

Neo-conservatives are an offshoot of Socialist Democrats. As viewed by Socialist Democrats, they are conservative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Kristol

Irving Kristol (father of William Kristol)

Ideas

In 1973, Michael Harrington coined the term "neo-conservatism" to describe those liberal intellectuals and political philosophers who were disaffected with the political and cultural attitudes dominating the Democratic Party and were moving toward a new form of conservatism. Intended by Harrington as a pejorative term, it was accepted by Kristol as an apt description of the ideas and policies exemplified by The Public Interest. Unlike liberals, for example, neo-conservatives rejected most of the Great Society programs sponsored by Lyndon Johnson; and unlike traditional conservatives, they supported the more limited welfare state instituted by Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

Neoconservatism

Neoconservatism (commonly shortened to neocon) is a political movement born in the United States during the 1960s among Democrats who became disenchanted with the party's domestic and especially foreign policy. Many of its adherents became politically famous during the Republican presidential administrations of the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s and 2000s. Neoconservatives peaked in influence during the administrations of George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush, when they played a major role in promoting and planning the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Prominent neoconservatives in the George W. Bush administration included Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, Elliott Abrams, Richard Perle, and Paul Bremer. Senior officials Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, while not identifying as neoconservatives, listened closely to neoconservative advisers regarding foreign policy, especially the defense of Israel and the promotion of democracy in the Middle East. Neoconservatives continue to have influence in the Obama administration, and neoconservative ideology has continued as a factor in American foreign policy.

The term "neoconservative" refers to those who made the ideological journey from the anti-Stalinist Left to the camp of American conservatism. Neoconservatives typically advocate the promotion of democracy and promotion of American national interest in international affairs, including by means of military force, and are known for espousing disdain for communism and for political radicalism. The movement had its intellectual roots in the Jewish monthly review magazine Commentary, published by the American Jewish Committee. They spoke out against the New Left, and in that way helped define the movement. C. Bradley Thompson, a professor at Clemson University, claims that most influential neoconservatives refer explicitly to the theoretical ideas in the philosophy of Leo Strauss (1899–1973), though in doing so they may draw upon meaning that Strauss himself did not endorse.

[...]

The term "neoconservative" was popularized in the United States during 1973 by Socialist leader Michael Harrington, who used the term to define Daniel Bell, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and Irving Kristol, whose ideologies differed from Harrington's.

The "neoconservative" label was used by Irving Kristol in his 1979 article "Confessions of a True, Self-Confessed 'Neoconservative.'" His ideas have been influential since the 1950s, when he co-founded and edited the magazine Encounter. Another source was Norman Podhoretz, editor of the magazine Commentary from 1960 to 1995. By 1982 Podhoretz was terming himself a neoconservative, in a New York Times Magazine article titled "The Neoconservative Anguish over Reagan's Foreign Policy". During the late 1970s and early 1980s, the neoconservatives considered that liberalism had failed and "no longer knew what it was talking about," according to E. J. Dionne.

Seymour Lipset asserts that the term "neoconservative" was used originally by a socialist to criticize the politics of Social Democrats, USA (SDUSA). Jonah Goldberg argues that the term is ideological criticism against proponents of American modern liberalism who had become slightly more conservative (Both Lipset and Goldberg are frequently described as neoconservatives). Historian Justin Vaisse, in a book-length study for Harvard University Press, writes that Lipset and Goldberg are in error: "neoconservative" was used by socialist Michael Harrington to describe three men - noted above - who were not in SDUSA, and neoconservatism is a definable political movement.

[...]

A substantial number of neoconservatives were originally moderate socialists associated with the right-wing of the Socialist Party of America (SP), and its successor, Social Democrats, USA (SDUSA). Max Shachtman, a former Trotskyist theorist who developed a strong antipathy towards the New Left, had numerous devotees among SDUSA with strong links to George Meany's AFL-CIO. Following Shachtman and Meany, this faction led the SP to oppose an immediate withdrawal from the Vietnam War, and oppose George McGovern in the Democratic primary race (and to some extent, the general election). They also chose to cease their own party-building and concentrated on working within the Democratic Party, eventually influencing it through the Democratic Leadership Council. Thus the Socialist Party ceased to be in 1972 and SDUSA emerged (Most of the left-wing of the party, led by Michael Harrington, immediately abandoned SDUSA). SDUSA leaders associated with neoconservatism include Carl Gershman, Penn Kemble, Joshua Muravchik, and Bayard Rustin.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-05-31   14:34:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Stoner (#9)

they cannot control Trump, they want him defeated.

You got it right there.

I do not go to church every time the doors are opened, but I love Jesus Christ. I am only human and fail Him daily. I believe Jesus is the Son of God, was born of a virgin, was crucified on a cross, died for my sins and rose from the dead and that He loves us dearly, and is faithful to forgive us of our sins. But He says that if you deny me in front of your friends I will deny you in front of my Father. Can I get an Amen!

U don't know me  posted on  2016-05-31   15:14:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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