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Title: You Can't Hack Me
Source: Hillary Clinton
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Published: May 24, 2016
Author: Hillary Clinton
Post Date: 2016-05-24 22:45:50 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 27080
Comments: 153

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#1. To: buckeroo (#0)

Nothing follows

Nothing follows in your cheery hypothetical about Hillary, but what follows with Donald Trump as president is the realization that he has the interests of America at heart. He genuinely believes in his need to fight for the country he loves. You need to genuinely believe in Donald Trump because there once was a time when people could actually feel proud to be Americans, and Trump will bring back that feeling.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   1:41:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: buckeroo (#0)

If they got yukon, they can damn sure get her.

Logsplitter  posted on  2016-05-25   9:00:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin (#1)

Nothing follows in your cheery hypothetical about Hillary ...

Naw. The US Government won't prosecute Clinton for her wanton disregard of US Government law mandating her use of government means of electronic interchange of communication as opposed to private means. She is getting off scott free and therefore, nothing follws.

but what follows with Donald Trump as president is the realization that he has the interests of America at heart.

Oh HORSESHIT!

He genuinely believes in his need to fight for the country he loves.

Really? Exactly when did this paradigm shift occur?

You need to genuinely believe in Donald Trump because there once was a time when people could actually feel proud to be Americans, and Trump will bring back that feeling.

I prefer believing in the Great Pumpkin, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and my dead dawg Scruffy over Trump.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   10:07:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Logsplitter (#2)

If they got yukon, they can damn sure get her.

Guccifer admitted hacking her server, which proves that Clinton did not have adequate security to safeguard her private server. But, she will not be brought up on charges ... hence, nothing follows.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   10:12:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Gatlin (#1) (Edited)

Donald Trump as president is the realization that he has the interests of America at heart.

Reminds me of a scene from the movie "The Hunt For Red October"

Poltical Officer Ivan Putin: [Discussing Captain Tupolev] He was your student. It is rumoured that he has a special place in his heart for you.

Captain Ramius: There is little room in Tupolev's heart for anyone but Tupolev.

The second line by Ramius describes Trump to a T.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-25   10:34:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deckard (#5)

Trump reminds me of:

General George S. Patton, Jr. - "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest ..."

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   11:03:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeroo (#3) (Edited)

The US Government won't prosecute Clinton for her wanton disregard of US Government law mandating her use of government means of electronic interchange of communication as opposed to private means. She is getting off scott free and therefore, nothing follws.

You are pointing out just one more of many reasons to elect Trump, he is for “law and order.”

Trump recently said:

"Baltimore has been set back 35 years in one night because the police weren’t allowed to protect people. We need law and order! I know cities where police are afraid to even talk to people because they want to be able to retire and have their pension,” Trump said. He also said, “they don’t want to be pulled off the police forces. And then you wonder what’s wrong with our cities. We need a whole new mind-set.”
Donald Trump has that “whole new mind-set.”

GO TRUMP!!!

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   11:34:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Logsplitter (#2)

If they got yukon, they can damn sure get her.

Big difference was that Yukon made up a story that "i wuz hacked" to try and remain in the closet,

Hillary had her server in the closet but says "i wuz not hacked".

Both liars caught in the act of trying to deceive.

calcon  posted on  2016-05-25   11:43:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Gatlin (#7)

Donald Trump has that “whole new mind-set.”

You mean to say: Donald Trump has that “whole new mind-set” into 21st century fascism.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   13:15:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: buckeroo (#9)

Donald Trump has that “whole new mind-set.”

You mean to say: Donald Trump has that “whole new mind-set” into 21st century fascism.

No, I said what I meant to say.

I said: Donald Trump has that “whole new mind-set.”

You need to work on that comprehension problem.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   13:21:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Gatlin (#10)

He has a "whole new mind-set?” Cite an example that is not an element of Fascism.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   13:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: buckeroo (#11)

... Cite an example that is not an element of Fascism.

Bringing up fascism, which is meant to conjure up thoughts of Hitler, is a thoroughly dishonest way to approach a political discussion. It is a useless attempt to play on the emotions and insinuate negative actions. Come on, you are not such an idiot that you cannot recognize that we are not dealing with the Third Reich … uh, are you? You have even a far less proposition if you are relating to the Latin fascists of the 1930s, since they were merely a footnote in history. Calling someone a fascist has evolved to emotional blackmail … and it us usually reserved for use by a person with limited intelligence.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   13:58:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: buckeroo (#11)

What is fascist on Trumps part whiney buck?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-25   16:27:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#13)

He's a control freak.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-05-25   16:30:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Fred Mertz (#14)

Control freak isn't fascist. How is he a control freak? Can you cite something or do you just run your mouth?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-25   16:37:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Gatlin (#12)

Bringing up fascism, which is meant to conjure up thoughts of Hitler ...

Right out of the box you have poor assumptions. Trump wants to force his idea of America on the underlings that vote for him; this is not a democratic process.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   17:14:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#13)

What is fascist on Trumps part

In all of his speeches Trump SEZ: "I am going to..." he doesn't mention Congress or pre-existing law based on the US Supreme Court decisions. He is a fascist dictator wanna-be.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   17:24:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: buckeroo (#16)

Trump wants to force his idea of America on the underlings that vote for him; this is not a democratic process.

You are mistaken. We do not have a “democratic process.” We have a “representative democracy process.”

In a way you can understand, I will try to explain to you that a “representative democracy” is a type of government where all qualified citizens vote on representatives to pass laws for them. We have the perfect example of this in the U.S., where we elect a president and members of the Congress in hopes they will do what’s best for the nation. There are several conditions for a “representative democracy” to work. Donald Trump is meeting those conditions. There has to be an opportunity for genuine competition in the selection of leadership … there has been. Then, there has to be free communication, both among the people and in the press … there has been. The U.S., of course, is one of the oldest and most stable representative democracies in the world. The U.S. is a federal republic in which a large central government co-exists with smaller state governments.

Now that I have educated you, I will explain how Trump is involved in this “representative democracy process.” He is running for president and he is not forcing his idea of America on anyone, or forcing anyone to vote for him. What you are trying to say is that Trump is coercing people. Coercion is essentially the overwhelming of the will of another. Trump is not doing this. You are mistaking his confidence for coercion. Trump has confidence, there can be no doubt about this … he has an abundance of it. Because he is so confident, he merely states truthfully and emphatically what he believes in and what he can do. He does it with great enthusiasm and strong heartfelt conviction, not coercion (force).

Please let me know if you have any additional problem understanding what is going on. I will be more that happy to take time to again straighten you out. With your limited knowledge of the process, I can easily understand why you will be voting for your dog, Scruffy.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   18:42:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#17) (Edited)

What is fascist on Trumps part

In all of his speeches Trump SEZ: "I am going to..." he doesn't mention Congress or pre-existing law based on the US Supreme Court decisions. He is a fascist dictator wanna-be.

You have no idea what you are talking about. You obviously don't even know what a "fascist" is. You ar simply regurgitating one of the anti-trump talking points you picked off the Internet.

Calling someone a "fascist" has been an all-purpose misapplied insult for many years now. It has a real definition and Trump doesn't qualify. Trump doesn't want to overthrow the existing democratic system. He doesn't want to scrap the Constitution. He doesn't use violence itself as a vital cleansing agent of society.

Ergo, Donald Trump is not a fascist. He a right-wing populist.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   19:03:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: buckeroo (#17)

Buckeroos dictionary for retards

fascist- If you say "I am going go..."

You're such wack job.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-25   20:11:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Gatlin (#18)

“representative democracy”

In American political circles, the inner sanctum selects your candidate.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   20:28:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Gatlin (#19)

Trump is just another everyday neo-fascist. Why are you spending so much tyme arguing the point? You can't convince me; are you trying to convince yourself that he is mr.goodie-two-shoes gonna save your ass?

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   20:32:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeroo (#22)

You can't convince me

You can't convince retards. Duh.

You're just a constant whiner always whining about something.

You put your blinders on. Then screwed them to your head. Then had Fred spray paint them and put sticks in your ears.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-25   21:02:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: buckeroo (#21)

In American political circles, the inner sanctum selects your candidate.

The "inner sanctum" selected Donald Trump as my candidate? That's wonderful. The inner sanctum significantly and consistently exceed all my expectations by producing such a virtuous man who is wisely free from perplexities and bold to be free from fear with the ability to “go where no man has gone before.” Donald Trump, you are the MAN!

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   21:11:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: buckeroo (#22)

You are such a simpleton, lacking the capacity to think beyond minimalistic thoughts. You masks your ignorance by reciting information you read on ronpaul.com. As a simpleton, you call another person a fascist for no other reason other than to call that person a fascist.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   21:13:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Gatlin (#24)

Donald Trump, you are the MAN!

"Make America Great Again!"

How? More war in the ME? Recreating a military that is already the largest among all nations?

Do you notice when you pay your homage to "the MAN," that he says "again?" America became the greate3st power the world has ever seen by winning WW2. The world was in chaos and America rose from the ruins. That was when "America was great;" it was about war and the spoils of war. And that is the only way America may become "great again."

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   23:12:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Gatlin (#25)

you call another person a fascist for no other reason other than to call that person a fascist.

He is a fascist. Get used to it.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   23:14:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo (#27) (Edited)

He is a fascist. Get used to it.

Only n your warped mind.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-26   3:21:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone, GrandIsland (#26) (Edited)

Do you notice when you pay your homage to "the MAN," that he says "again?" America became the greate3st power the world has ever seen by winning WW2. The world was in chaos and America rose from the ruins. That was when "America was great;" it was about war and the spoils of war. And that is the only way America may become "great again."

Do you notice that you said America “was great” and America may become “great again.” You did say that and you are now in complete agreement with Donald Trump and the majority of Americans.

Millions of American have become increasingly worried about our country. In surveys dating back 40 years, for the first time a majority of Americans (53 percent) now believe that the U.S. plays a less important and powerful role as a world leader than it once did. Even more Americans (70 percent) think the U.S. is less respected now than in the past.

Donald Trump is so popularly accepted because he shares the views of the majority of Americans and speaks to their needs. In that our country has lost respect and influence in the world because of a combination of events, leadership and the growth of other nations in the world has weakened our position to lead and negotiate fair trade deals.

Bucky, you live in a fantasy Paultard world. It is time for you to leave your fantasy Paultard world and move back to the real American world. If you repent and if you are sincere, then I will give you a letter of recommendation and you will be welcomed. I am truly a magnanimous person who can be so very generous and forgiving. You need to get to knw me better.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-26   5:02:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: buckeroo (#26)

America became the greate3st power the world has ever seen by winning WW2.

You probably mean that was when America became a “super power.”

A common problem with terminology is that some fail to realize the importance and indeed the requirement for its proper use.

Of course everyone should know that American became a “super power” during World War II.

However, a more important consideration is the time when American became more than just 13 colonies and a country to be respected/feared as a “great power.”

It can be persuasively argued that this moment in American history was the voyage of the Great White Fleet.

I agree that the perception of the U.S. becoming a “great power” is probably coincident with the fleet’s circumnavigation, but the reality may not have been until the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922.

Naturally, it is all debatable. What does Scruffy think?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-26   5:58:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: buckeroo (#21)

“representative democracy”

In American political circles, the inner sanctum selects your candidate.

Bingo!

You'd think that Gatlin with all his "smarts" would get that by now.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-26   6:05:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Deckard (#31)

representative democracy” In American political circles, the inner sanctum selects your candidate.

Bingo!

You'd think that Gatlin with all his "smarts" would get that by now.

I got it.

The "inner sanctum" selected Donald Trump as my candidate? That's wonderful. The inner sanctum significantly and consistently exceed all my expectations by producing such a virtuous man who is wisely free from perplexities and bold to be free from fear with the ability to “go where no man has gone before.” Donald Trump, you are the MAN!

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-26   6:14:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Gatlin (#29)

Donald Trump is so popularly accepted because he shares the views of the majority of Americans and speaks to their needs.

"Might makes right." Yeah, typical slogan of a 21st century fascist. We got your ticket.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-26   20:54:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Deckard (#31)

"smarts"

You credit tater with "smarts?" I don't.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-26   20:55:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: buckeroo (#33)

Donald Trump is so popularly accepted because he shares the views of the majority of Americans and speaks to their needs.

"Might makes right." Yeah, typical slogan of a 21st century fascist.

“Might makes right.” Nah, it’s the “will of the people” that makes right. We are living in a very intense and very responsible time of our political existence. The American people are very angry. There is anger at the lack of jobs, anger over class warfare, anger at political correctness, anger at the mainstream media, anger at losing job security and employer-based health care. But more importantly, the majority of Americans are angry that a way of life they have known is now slipping away never to return.

To tap into this anger and because he deeply shares the feeling of the majority of Americans, along came Donald Trump. The majority of Americans realize they have never encountered a person like Donald Trump. Trump sounds a call to all discontented Americans, and they responded in great numbers. Trump’s message to the discontented masses has at times been blunt, crass and even vulgar. But he continues to get attention by expressing the anger. Trump has cemented his status as his own man and he has without question tapped into the spirit of anger felt by the majority of Americans.

You need to stop trying to deny or suppress the inevitability of Trump becoming president by attempting to dismiss Trump as a fascist. Start to respect the “will of the people” and let them decide who their leader will be. Remember, it is not that “might makes right” … it is the “will of the people” that makes right.

We got your ticket.

Great! Then you can validate it because I will be voting a straight Republican ticket with Donald Trump at the top, leading the way to renewed prosperity for America.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-26   22:32:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Gatlin, Orange Tranny (#35) (Edited)

a straight Republican

He wuz hacked!


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2016-05-26   23:19:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: hondo68 (#36)

He wuz hacked!

nolu chan  posted on  2016-05-27   0:05:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: hondo68 (#36)

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-27   0:08:10 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Gatlin, hondo68, sneakypete (#38)

From this day forward, Gatlin will be remembered as the originator of the "wet panty brigade" here at LF.

Expect "A Day in The Life Of Donald Trump" screeds to be coming next.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-27   9:53:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Deckard (#39)

Expect "A Day in The Life Of Donald Trump" screeds to be coming next.

I have been expecting them ever since he announced. There is very little a large segment of the population admire more than a strong dictator,or even someone who pretends to be strong.

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-05-27   10:04:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Gatlin (#1)

Donald Trump as president is the realization that he has the interests of America at heart. He genuinely believes in his need to fight for the country he loves.

You DO know he was a draft-dodger during the VN war,right?

And that nobody in his family has EVER been in the US military?

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-05-27   10:18:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Gatlin (#7)

Donald Trump has that “whole new mind-set.”

True. He sometimes changes his mind on policy issues several times a day. Platform promises become suggestions,and suggestions disappear during negotiations.

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-05-27   10:22:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Gatlin (#12) (Edited)

Bringing up fascism, which is meant to conjure up thoughts of Hitler, is a thoroughly dishonest way to approach a political discussion.

Not if it is appropriate to the discussion.

Come on, you are not such an idiot that you cannot recognize that we are not dealing with the Third Reich

You are not such an idiot you think that you have to be a member of the Third Reich and German to be a fascist,are you?

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-05-27   10:24:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A K A Stone (#15) (Edited)

Control freak isn't fascist.

ROFLMAO! It's one of the core things that DEFINES fascists and fascism.

That's like saying Christianity isn't about Jesus.

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-05-27   10:28:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: buckeroo (#17)

In all of his speeches Trump SEZ: "I am going to..." he doesn't mention Congress or pre-existing law based on the US Supreme Court decisions. He is a fascist dictator wanna-be.

Ok,in Trump's defense,he really isn't very smart because that whole "insanity thing" that he enjoys so much gets in the way. Truth is he probably doesn't even know that Congress writes the laws,not presidents.

Remember,this is the guy that considered himself to be the "big idea CEO" and who was going to appoint a VP to do all the actual presidential work and handle all the details. He has no more idea of how our government works that a parrot flying around in the amazon.

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-05-27   10:32:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Gatlin (#18)

You are mistaken. We do not have a “democratic process.” We have a “representative democracy process.”

Try "Constitutionally-based representative REPUBLIC" on for size. We are and never were defined as a democracy by the Founding Fathers. In fact,they made a point out of democracy always failing because it always results in mob rule,national bankruptcy,and anarchy.

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-05-27   10:34:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Gatlin (#24)

The "inner sanctum" selected Donald Trump as my candidate? That's wonderful. The inner sanctum significantly and consistently exceed all my expectations by producing such a virtuous man who is wisely free from perplexities and bold to be free from fear with the ability to “go where no man has gone before.”

Your head is several quarts low. If you have any children,turn your assets over to their control NOW,before you give it all to Trump.

Not making fun of you because senility is not a laughing matter.

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-05-27   10:37:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: sneakypete (#46) (Edited)

The terms “republic” and “representative democracy” are used interchangeable ... the political science literature. They are a form of democracy distinct from another form known as direct democracy.

A number of years ago Karl KurtzI coauthored a college textbook with professors Alan Rosenthal, Burdett Loomis and John Hibbing, Republic on Trial: The Case for Representative Democracy. Here is what they said in the first paragraph of that book:
After the Constitutional Convention, Benjamin Franklin was asked what kind of government the framers had produced. “A republic if you can keep it,” he replied. The American republic is synonymous with representative democracy, the political system through which citizens govern themselves. Representative democracy is democratic in that the people have the power to choose those who govern; it is representative in that the people themselves do not govern but leave governance to the agents they elect. The engines of representative democracy are Congress at the national level and legislatures at the state level, with the executive and judicial branches playing important supporting roles.
The fact is that neither republic nor representative democracy is ideal from the standpoint of marketing or promoting public understanding. Both of them draw blank stares when presented to focus groups of young people (or adults, for that matter). "Republic" is not at all well understood. About the only time it is used in popular communication is in the formulaic recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. And "representative democracy" is a nine-syllable mouthful so unfamiliar that many people have difficulty pronouncing it. I have cringed as trained actors stumble over these words in rehearsals. To get around some of these problems, we often use the terms "American republic" or "American democracy" to suggest that we in the United States have evolved our own particular kind of governance--one in which the people have the ultimate authority but they exercise it through their elected represenatatives. But these terms require explanation, too. If we were corporate marketers, maybe we would go the Xerox or Exxon route and simply invent a new one or two syllable word with memorable spelling for our system of government. "Amgovv" anyone? On second thought, forget it. Let's live with what we've got--republic or representative democracy, whichever you prefer--and do our best to help people understand the virtues, values and flaws of our governmental system.

If you want the most technical term, our country is a constitutionally limited representative democratic republic. Our form of government, the constitution limits the power of government. We elect representatives, so it's not a pure democracy. But we do elect them by majority rule so it is democratic.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-27   10:56:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Gatlin (#24)

Donald Trump, you are the MAN!

Will you still be saying that when he reneges on more "promises"?

Will your man-crush end when Trump drops out or loses?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-27   11:03:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Gatlin (#48)

The terms “republic” and “representative democracy” are used interchangeable ... the political science literature.

That's like saying the words "up" and "down" are interchangeable because they are both directions.

The left started describing America as a democracy in order to make more Americans identify with the communists,and to consider them an acceptable form of government. Every generation of American since the 1920's has grown up being taught in public school that "America is a democracy" because democracies are leftist wet dreams. As dumb as they are,they are smart enough to understand that the people who win word games and get to define the rules are the people that win the political battles.

Words do mean things. Sometimes even simple words have complex and wide-ranging meanings.

BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO!

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-05-27   11:06:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Gatlin (#38) (Edited)

"I think it's a great time to start a mortgage company," ... "the real estate market is going to be very strong for a long time to come."

"who know more about financing than me?"

--Donald Trump

 

WHY TRUMP MORTGAGE FAILED

AND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU


 

 

VxH  posted on  2016-05-27   12:32:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: VxH (#51)

Yawn, trump lives in a beautiful suite in trump towers, and you live in a double wide that the illegals rejected.

TRUMP 2016

calcon  posted on  2016-05-27   15:53:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: VxH (#51) (Edited)

"I think it's a great time to start a mortgage company," ... "the real estate market is going to be very strong for a long time to come. Who know more about financing than me?" -- Donald Trump.
WHY TRUMP MORTGAGE FAILED AND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU.

"Sometimes by losing a battle you find a new way to win the war.” ~ Donald Trump.

Some business “wars” that Trump won:

Grand Hyatt Hotel
Trump bought the former Commodore Hotel, which had fallen into relative disrepair, from Penn Central Railroad in 1974 and after six years of construction, the Grand Hyatt Hotel debuted. Smack dab in the heart of New York City, with the image of Grand Central reflected off its glass façade, the 34-story hotel is still booming business today.

Trump Tower
Trump broke ground on his now-famous 48-story Trump Tower in 1980. The luxury high-rise opened in 1983 and, with upscale restaurants and stores located in the mostly residential building, is still highly sought after real estate.

Wollman Rink
Trump renovated Wollman Rink in 1986 after contacting Mayor Ed Koch and offering to complete the renovation for $3 million. He finished the project on time and $750,000 under budget. Wollman Rink remains a Central Park fixture with more than 5 million annual visitors.

40 Wall Street
Trump purchased the building in 1995 for $1 million and renovated it for $35 million. Today, 40 Wall Street, one of the tallest office buildings in downtown New York, is worth over $500 million.

Trump Place
After years of negotiations, Trump finally broke ground on Trump Place, the gargantuan housing development along the Hudson River. The development includes 25 acres of open space and 5,700 apartments housed in 18 residential buildings.

The Apprentice
The Apprentice premiered on NBC in 2004 to great ratings. Trump served as not only the host but also the executive producer, raking in $1 million per episode. The show was successful enough that it inspired a spinoff, The Celebrity Apprentice.

Trump International Tower Chicago
Trump bought the former Chicago Sun-Times headquarters in 2005 for $73 million and converted it into the second tallest building in Chicago. It houses a hotel, condos, restaurants and shops, and was named Travel+Leisure’s best large city hotel in North America in 2010.

Trump has a "HUGE" net worth that is "in excess of TEN BILLION DOLLARS."

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-27   16:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Gatlin (#53)

Trump has a "HUGE" net worth that is "in excess of TEN BILLION DOLLARS."

Hos 12:8
8 Ephraim boasts,
"I am very rich; I have become wealthy.
With all my wealth they will not find in me,
any iniquity or sin."
NIV

How's that turn out per verse 9 again?

VxH  posted on  2016-05-27   16:35:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: calcon (#52)

you live in a double wide that the illegals rejected.

Nope.

Why did Trump mortgage FAIL?

VxH  posted on  2016-05-27   16:37:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: VxH (#54)

How's that turn out per verse 9 again?

I don't know about poor old Ephraim, but I like Psalm 71:21 better for Trump: “You will increase my greatness and comfort me again.”

This fits Trump too: “It ain’t bragging if you can back it up.” Dizzy Dean.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-27   16:53:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Gatlin (#56)

Hos 12:7
7 The merchant uses dishonest scales;
he loves to defraud.
NIV

www.cbsnews.com/news/trum...ud-lawsuit-moves-forward/

VxH  posted on  2016-05-27   17:01:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: VxH, calcon (#55)

Why did Trump mortgage FAIL?

Trump never looks back at failures and neither should you. You should look forward and recognize that Trump embodies the purity of a certain kind of bold, no-apologies approach. It’s as though he is Zen-like in his clear-headed refusal to get sidetracked or bogged down in small details. He just keep on moving forward to the next challenge. There’s something so refreshing about that … don’t you agree”

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-27   17:13:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: VxH (#57)

Can you hold an intelligent discussion without continually falling back into regurgitating passages?

Once was enough … twice and you become a bore.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-27   17:20:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Gatlin (#58)

Trump never looks back at failures and neither should you. You should look forward and recognize that Trump embodies the purity of a certain kind of bold, no-apologies approach. It’s as though he is Zen-like in his clear-headed refusal to get sidetracked or bogged down in small details.

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“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-27   19:15:11 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Deckard (#60) (Edited)

Say it drug addict loving bitch.... PRESIDENT TRUMP.

I hope you enjoy him as much as I was made to enjoy that Black Lives Matters cop hating shitbag Obunghole.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-05-27   19:24:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Deckard (#60)

It is time to stop trying to be a smartass and look very seriously at the Trump candidacy. The rise of Donald Trump is not at all surprising. He is at the head of a very angry movement consisting of scores of millions of Americans who feel their country has been taken from them and mismanaged.

You are frenzied with your misplaced animosity towards Trump, and your hysteria is becoming extremely vociferous and utterly desperate as he steps outside the normal parameters of political discourse. Your wild posts conjure up the picture of you foaming at the mouth. Your stupid cartoon gif mocking Trump and your preoccupation with unserious matters are simplistic and moronic.

Some of you Paultards are so desperate and can think of no way to stop the Trump movement that the only thing you can do is continually accuse Trump of being on the brink of fascism. You do so while not stopping to realize that fascists are identified with the lawlessness, mob rule, racism, physical intimidation and the violent overthrow of democracy … none of which Trump supports of advocates. You are just frightened little people shooting off your mouths out of ignorance.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-27   21:25:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Gatlin, Deckard (#62)

He [Trump]is at the head of a very angry movement consisting of scores of millions of Americans who feel their country has been taken from them and mismanaged.

The US Government is too large, sarge. You represent why the US government is too large, too. You receive an endless stipend from the US government for your service in the USAF for peelin' potatoes for a few years.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-27   21:47:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: buckeroo (#63) (Edited)

The US Government is too large, sarge. You represent why the US government is too large, too. You receive an endless stipend from the US government for your service in the USAF for peelin' potatoes for a few years.

It must be a real shitting feeling for you to be a such a fatalist with the burdensome load to carry realizing that no matter what you or anyone does, the morbid outcome will be the same because it’s predetermined. But, don’t feel alone because there are other fatalists on the forum who also share your sense of being completely powerless to change the world. Well, never fear because the ole sarge is here to tell you there is hope for you. It is time for you to shake your fatalistic attitude and realize that no problem is too large to solve … and Trump is “the man” to solve large problems.

Trump has been handling these problems for years. Trump will handle the too large government by downsizing all federal departments and cut the most harmful programs that have been causing spending to rise, making deficits chronic and have forced accumulated debt to reach dangerous levels … all of which are undermining our economic growth and will probably push our nation into a financial crisis. Economic growth will result from the federal spending cuts. These cuts will give people more freedom and better control over their lives and a byproduct will be the reduction of the massive amount of regulations that come with large spending programs. Donald Trump with his business expertise is the man to handle this.

It is time for you to get on board the Donald Trump success train that is leaving the station now … “All Aboard!”

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-27   22:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Gatlin (#64)

Trump has been handling these problems for years.

Trump is an arrogant idiot, like you.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-05-27   22:45:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Gatlin (#62)

Trump

Jeesh - just blow the guy already why don't you?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-27   22:53:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Gatlin (#64)

I am at a loss that to realize your shallow post contents. You seem to loathe us posters that you chit-chat most while (simultaneously) with a Trump world that you created around your own mind. I only have one question: Why on Earth did you decide to place a two-ton torque wrench around your Zika brain (very small) and make it smaller?

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-27   22:58:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Fred Mertz (#65)

Trump has been handling these problems for years.

Trump is an arrogant idiot, like you.

Donald Trump will win the US presidency by a landslide … you are a fool to continue to underestimate him. Trump is inspiring a multitude of first-time voters to get out and vote for him, while existing Republicans will hold their noses when they get to the ballot box and cast their vote for him. You Paultards and the entire political establishment have underestimated Trump’s campaign from the very beginning and now your naivety is coming back to kick your ass.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-27   23:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: buckeroo (#67)

I am at a loss ...

That is no surprise because you are walking proof of the cruelest fact of life … you are at a loser today and you will be a loser tomorrow … you will always be at a loser.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-27   23:14:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Gatlin (#68)

Donald Trump will win the US presidency by a landslide

So, what is new? You got your fascist leader to "make America great again"

How is the man going to diminush the US federal debt? How is this great architecture of fuckingup NewYork buildings going to change the world around us without you, Gatlin, getting a flat tire in your monthly US taxpayer slave stipend to you, a fuckin' potatoepeeler?

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-27   23:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Gatlin (#69)

you will always be at a loser.

Now, that is total confidence! But, without considering your perspective with any serious effort ... by what means do you think or even have the remote thought to understand my circumstances in life: before, during or after?

Explain your archaic MUCHOMACHO_TRUMPerooni_POM_POMs while waving your delerious arms in the aire.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-27   23:26:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Deckard (#66)

... blow ...

That reminds me that Donald Trump is blowing up the foundations of the Republican party orthodoxy and the GOP will never be the same again.

Trump’s rise in popularity means that the GOP’s ideological perspective and its fiscal responsibilities are going to change right before our eyes.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-27   23:36:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: buckeroo (#70)

How is the man going to diminush the US federal debt? How is this great architecture of fuckingup NewYork buildings going to change the world around us ...

Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful than a locomotive! Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound! Look, up in the sky! It's a bird! It’s a plane! It's Trump’s plane carrying our “Superman!” Yes, it's our “Superman,” noble visitor from New York City, who crosses America with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men. Our “Superman,” who fights a never-ending battle for the common man to bring truth, justice and restore the American way.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-27   23:46:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Gatlin (#62)

It is time to stop trying to be a smartass and look very seriously at the Trump candidacy.

Let me put this into language even a simpleton like you can understand.

Trump is an insane, greedy megalomaniac. He cares only for his bottom line.

He's a circus side-show attraction, and he's fooled you rubes who worship the ground he walks on.

The guy is a flake, has no self-control and will say anything and make promises that he has no intention of keeping.

You Trump-ettes are a real hoot!

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-27   23:50:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Gatlin (#73) (Edited)

That's copyrighted material. Are you prepared to defend yourself on government charges that you intend to personally execute to ensure the sanctity for and about the law of the land?

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-27   23:52:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Gatlin (#64)

But, don’t feel alone because there are other fatalists on the forum who also share your sense of being completely powerless to change the world. Well, never fear because the ole sarge is here to tell you there is hope for you. It is time for you to shake your fatalistic attitude and realize that no problem is too large to solve … and Trump is “the man” to solve large problems.

Good grief! Stop lecturing everyone here like you are God's gift to the world you egotistical imbecile.

The sane folks here are sick of your worshipful screeds about St. Donald.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-27   23:53:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Deckard (#74)

Amen. Well stated.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-05-27   23:53:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Gatlin (#73)

It's Trump’s plane carrying our “Superman!” Yes, it's our “Superman,” noble visitor from New York City, who crosses America with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men.

The president of the Trump "wet panty brigade" has spoken.

Are you fucking insane Gatlin?

Now you are claiming he's immortal"?

What a frigging loon!

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-27   23:56:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Fred Mertz (#77)

Do you shoot up with Deck the tard?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-28   0:09:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Deckard, Gatlin (#78)

Are you [gatlin] fucking insane Gatlin?

I shall take a moment an answer for the poor man.... "yup."

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-28   0:10:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Deckard (#76)

That reminds me of the time I visited Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's home in Salzburg where I learned that he once said an interesting thing,

I pay no attention whatever to anybody’s praise or blame. I simply follow my own feelings.
This has become my life motto.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-28   0:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: A K A Stone (#79)

Do you shoot up with Deck the tard?

ESAD.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-05-28   0:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Gatlin (#81)

Salzburg

Have you been to the salt mines? I was there as a kid.

We were going to go to Hitlers Eagles nest. But it was to snowy. So we went to Austria instead.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-28   0:21:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Fred Mertz (#82)

Here stick this gag in your mouth. Now shut up.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-28   0:22:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Deckard (#76)

Good grief! Stop lecturing everyone here like you are God's gift to the world you egotistical imbecile.

Good grief. Quit pretending you have any morals.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-28   0:22:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: A K A Stone (#83)

We were going to go to Hitlers Eagles nest. But it was to snowy. So we went to Austria instead.

How old were you when you had he opportunity?

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-28   0:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: A K A Stone (#83) (Edited)

I have not visited the salt mines, but I know Salzburg and Austria very well. I was stationed just East of Salzburg for 2 years. Starting in 1965, My wife I visited Europe for a month almost every summer for 20 years, spending the majority of the time in Austria. The lake area, Salzkammergut , in the Alps below Salzburg is one of our favorite spots.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-28   0:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: buckeroo (#86)

We were going to go to Hitlers Eagles nest. But it was to snowy. So we went to Austria instead. How old were you when you had he opportunity?

Probably 12.

I remember it good though.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-28   0:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Gatlin (#87)

spending the majority of the time in Austria.

I remember waking around somewhere in Austria. There were lots of statues of Kings.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-28   0:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Gatlin (#87)

lake area, Salzkammergut , in the Alps below Salzburg one of our favorite spots.

We skied (did I spell that right) somewhere in Salzburg when we were there on vacation. Amateur little hill skiing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-28   0:36:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: buckeroo (#88)

Actually probably 11 now that I think about it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-28   0:37:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: A K A Stone (#90)

Kitzbuehel is probably one of the best skiing areas. My sister-in-law spent time there each winter for many years.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-28   0:42:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Deckard (#74) (Edited)

Let me put this into language even a simpleton like you can understand.

Trump is an insane, greedy megalomaniac. He cares only for his bottom line.

It's Trump or Clinton, unless Trump gets Bobby Kennedied. That's the way it is. Do you want to see that Clinton monster become commander in chief? Everyone that is paying attention knows what a Hillary Rodham Clinton "presidency" has in store.

In case you missed it, here is an excellent analysis of the Trump thing

Donald Trump: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/03/11/donald-trump-good-bad-ugly/

Trump or Clinton. That's the choice your fellow "countrymen" have presented you with. America is dead. A vote for the wicked witch will finish her off. A vote for Trump is a hail mary. It's all we have.

Trump says "Why can't we be friends with Russia?" Who else has said that?

TODAY YOUR GOVERNMENT SPENT $200 MILLION DOLLARS FIGHTING A BUNCH OF RENEGADES IN TOYOTAS. DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD INVESTMENT? costofwar.com

Will Clinton stop the biggest ripoff in history? Not a chance in hell, where she belongs

Operation 40  posted on  2016-05-28   1:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: A K A Stone (#79)

Do you shoot up with Deck the tard?

I've never "shot up" anything in my life you miserable POS.

You fucking clowns STILL don't get it.

Just because someone is against the drug war, doesn't make them an addict or user.

Why don't you focus your outrage on the US government that protects the poppy fields in Afghanistan and protects the cartels?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-28   1:44:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Deckard (#94)

Why don't you focus your outrage on the US government that protects the poppy fields in Afghanistan and protects the cartels?

Because we're too busy sifting through all your yella bullshit about cops... you know, the stuff you focus on and don't follow your own advise.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-05-28   7:48:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Operation 40 (#93)

Is that the same Justin Raimondo who wrote this?

To begin with, Trump has taken a number of positions I cannot endorse:

  • He wants to increase domestic surveillance in the name of fighting the “war on terrorism.” At once point he suggested we would have to shut down “parts of the internet.”
  • He advocates torture of alleged terrorists and says he would murder their families.
  • While opposing US intervention in Syria – he once asked Bill O’Reilly “Do you want to own Syria?” – he now says he wants to create a “safe zone” in Syria so the refugees don’t have to come here. Call me crazy, but that looks like military intervention to me.
  • He wants to deport 11 million illegal aliens, an operation that – assuming it isn’t stopped by the courts – would be inevitably ugly and provoke massive resistance.

But that’s just the beginning of my objections to Trump the candidate. After all, one could conceivably overlook these flaws in the name of changing the general orientation of US foreign policy. And yet, in the case of Trump, even that possibility is foreclosed by his unreliability.

While Trump conceives of his “flexibility” as emblematic of his ability to make a “good deal,” the reality is that he flip flops all over the place. One minute he’s totally against going into Syria, and the next minute he’s constructing “safe zones.” His mercurial nature is on display for all to see: once in office, it’s entirely possible he could do anything.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-28   11:33:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: A K A Stone (#91)

I love Europe, too. I shall post some pictures one of these days.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-28   13:29:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Gatlin (#73)

Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful than a locomotive! Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound! Look, up in the sky! It's a bird! It’s a plane! It's Trump’s plane carrying our “Superman!” Yes, it's our “Superman,” noble visitor from New York City, who crosses America with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men. Our “Superman,” who fights a never-ending battle for the common man to bring truth, justice and restore the American way.

You have a few screws loose in the noggin.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-28   13:31:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: buckeroo (#98)

Trump will fit that for me .., Trump will FIX EVERYTHING for EVERYONE..

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-28   14:03:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Gatlin (#99)

Trump will FIX EVERYTHING for EVERYONE

Are you high? What illegal narcotics are you injecting, today?

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-28   14:09:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Deckard (#96)

Is that the same Justin Raimondo who wrote this?

Quoting stupid faggots now. You have fallen and you can't get up.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-28   14:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Deckard (#96)

He wants to increase domestic surveillance in the name of fighting the “war on terrorism.” At once point he suggested we would have to shut down “parts of the internet.”

Good idea. Why should we let terrorists recruit on the internet.

Who cares what the aids receptacle says.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-28   14:50:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Deckard (#96)

He advocates torture of alleged terrorists and says he would murder their families.

I'm not for turture. But I sure would torture someone if I knew they did something to my family.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-28   14:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Deckard (#96)

While opposing US intervention in Syria – he once asked Bill O’Reilly “Do you want to own Syria?” – he now says he wants to create a “safe zone” in Syria so the refugees don’t have to come here. Call me crazy, but that looks like military intervention to me.

Do you and butt boy want to let Muslims into the country?

I want to kick the ones here out also.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-28   14:52:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Deckard (#96)

He wants to deport 11 million illegal aliens, an operation that – assuming it isn’t stopped by the courts – would be inevitably ugly and provoke massive resistance.

You want foreigners to take us over and change us.

Lets get real ugly with these wetbacks. Real ugly.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-28   14:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: A K A Stone (#102)

Why should we let terrorists recruit on the internet.

What is a "terrorist?" Someone or a group of citizens that is defined by a fascist government? You mean to say, a fascist government can define "terrorism" when, in fact, they operate outside the limits of the US Constitution?

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-28   15:10:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Deckard (#96)

He wants to deport 11 million illegal aliens

I want that too.

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-05-28   16:03:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Deckard (#96)

He advocates torture of alleged terrorists and says he would murder their families.

I am for what Trump said.

Trump said he would bring back waterboarding for the terrorists and it would be on firm legal grounding. “I’m in total support of waterboarding. It has to be within the law, but I have to expand the law,” Trump said. “I’ll work on it with the generals.”

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-28   16:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#106)

What is a "terrorist?"

You ask some pretty inane questions ... are you really so stupid?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-28   16:20:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Deckard (#96)

He wants to deport 11 million illegal aliens, an operation that – assuming it isn’t stopped by the courts – would be inevitably ugly and provoke massive resistance.

On what basis would the courts claim jurisdiction and stop the deportation required to be deported pursuant to federal law?

A deportation hearing is not a trial. It is a purely civil proceeding and the protections that apply to a criminal proceeding are not observed.

About all it takes is for the adherence to due process, dotting the i's and crossing the t's. There must still be a fair hearing. There is not much to be proven with an undocumented immigrant. As such immigrant did not pass through immigration authorities, he has no status whatever, akin to the post-war freedman (former slave). The undocumented immigrant can leave the country and return lawfully to obtain status. As with the freedmen, the undocumented immigrants could be made citizens by constitutional amendment. As with the freedmen, the undocumented immigrant is not eligible for naturalization because he is not an alien, lawfully present in the United States.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/468/1032/

INS v Lopez-Mendoza, 468 US 1032 (1984)

U.S. Supreme Court

INS v. Lopez-Mendoza, 468 U.S. 1032 (1984)

INS v. Lopez-Mendoza

No. 83-491

Argued April 18, 1984

Decided July 5, 1984

468 U.S. 1032

Syllabus

Respondent Mexican citizens were ordered deported by an Immigration Judge. Respondent Lopez-Mendoza unsuccessfully objected to being summoned to the deportation hearing following his allegedly unlawful arrest by an Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) agent, but he did not object to the receipt in evidence of his admission, after the arrest, of illegal entry into this country. Respondent Sandoval-Sanchez, who also admitted his illegal entry after being arrested by an INS agent, unsuccessfully objected to the evidence of his admission offered at the deportation proceeding, contending that it should have been suppressed as the fruit of an unlawful arrest. The Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) affirmed the deportation orders. The Court of Appeals reversed respondent Sandoval-Sanchez' deportation order, holding that his detention by INS agents violated the Fourth Amendment, that his admission of illegal entry was the product of this detention, and that the exclusionary rule barred its use in a deportation proceeding. The court vacated respondent Lopez-Mendoza's deportation order and remanded his case to the BIA to determine whether the Fourth Amendment had been violated in the course of his arrest.

Held:

1. A deportation proceeding is a purely civil action to determine a person's eligibility to remain in this country. The purpose of deportation is not to punish past transgressions, but rather to put an end to a continuing violation of the immigration laws. Consistent with the civil nature of a deportation proceeding, various protections that apply in the context of a criminal trial do not apply in a deportation hearing. Pp. 468 U. S. 1038-1039.

2. The "body" or identity of a defendant in a criminal or civil proceeding is never itself suppressible as the fruit of an unlawful arrest, even if it is conceded that an unlawful arrest, search, or interrogation occurred. On this basis alone, the Court of Appeals' decision as to respondent Lopez-Mendoza must be reversed, since he objected only to being summoned to his deportation hearing after an allegedly unlawful arrest, and did not object to the evidence offered against him. The mere fact of an illegal arrest has no bearing on a subsequent deportation hearing. Pp. 468 U. S. 1039-1040.

Page 468 U. S. 1033

3. The exclusionary rule does not apply in a deportation proceeding; hence, the rule does not apply so as to require that respondent Sandoval-Sanchez' admission of illegal entry after his allegedly unlawful arrest be excluded from evidence at his deportation hearing. Under the balancing test applied in United States v. Janis, 428 U. S. 433, whereby the likely social benefits of excluding unlawfully obtained evidence are weighed against the likely costs, the balance comes out against applying the exclusionary rule in civil deportation proceedings. Several factors significantly reduce the likely deterrent value of the rule in such proceedings. First, regardless of how the arrest of an illegal alien is effected, deportation will still be possible when evidence not derived directly from the arrest is sufficient to support deportation. Second, based on statistics indicating that over 97.7 percent of illegal aliens agree to voluntary deportation without a formal hearing, every INS agent knows that it is unlikely that any particular arrestee will end up challenging the lawfulness of his arrest in a formal deportation hearing. Third, the INS has its own comprehensive scheme for deterring Fourth Amendment violations by its agents. And finally, the deterrent value of the exclusionary rule in deportation proceedings is undermined by the availability of alternative remedies for INS practices that might violate Fourth Amendment rights. As to the social costs of applying the exclusionary rule in deportation proceedings, they would be high. In particular, the application of the rule in cases such as respondent Sandoval-Sanchez' would compel the courts to release from custody persons who would then immediately resume their commission of a crime through their continuing, unlawful presence in this country, and would unduly complicate the INS's deliberately simple deportation hearing system. Pp. 468 U. S. 1040-1050.

705 F.2d 1059, reversed.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-05-28   16:42:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#109)

You ask some pretty inane questions ...

Explain your position. Answer my questions.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-28   16:46:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: buckeroo (#100)

Trump will FIX EVERYTHING for EVERYONE

Are you high? What illegal narcotics are you injecting, today?

I am definitely on a high.

I have been on a natural high ever since Donald announced that he is running for president. That was when my system began to continually release endorphins and those naturally occurring hormones make me feel so very happy.

It is the same feel-good factor I can get from chocolate when my serotonin chemicals are boosted as I look forward to a pleasurable experience.

A natural high is the way to go, Bucky. That shit you are dragging down into your lungs can play havoc on your health and may eventually kill you.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-28   16:54:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Gatlin (#112)

Are your decisons, based on your 'high' meaningly effective for the nation? Or are you just jerkin' off to trump's wife?

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-28   16:56:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: buckeroo (#111)

Explain your position. Answer my questions.

I will be more than happy to do that for you, Bucky boy. But I will only do so after I can get full confirmation that you have been in total withdrawal recovery treatment for at last three weeks. Then you should have the mental capacity to see the world as it is and not see the world as you are. When you can see real truth and not truth that you perceive, which is always subjective and always wrong, post your treatment results here on the forum.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-28   17:07:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Gatlin (#114)

I am not on drugs unlike you, pal. You need drugs, right? Why do you make us pay for your government sanctioned drug use?

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-28   17:15:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: buckeroo (#113)

Or are you just jerkin' off to trump's wife?

The use of inappropriate graphically explicit sexual expression is evoked by a small and predictable set of variables. Some perverts are positively reinforced by siblings or parents for its use. Which was the case for you?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-28   17:18:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Gatlin (#116)

You are straining your pseudo-intellectual bullshit posts.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-28   17:24:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: buckeroo (#115)

You need drugs, right?

Nope, all I need is to show my wife true love and feel the deep respect she has for me.

Perhaps scripture can best explain this combination of love and respect to you.

Paul wrote in Ephesians 5:33 that a husband must love his wife and a wife must respect her husband. Both commands are unconditional.

I trust you can understand this and that it does not run afoul in conflict with your deism beliefs.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-28   17:38:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Gatlin (#118)

Paul wrote in Ephesians 5:33 that a husband must love his wife and a wife must respect her husband. Both commands are unconditional.

So, now, you are introducing religious favours about your wife into the discussion. Can you saye: distraction?

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-28   17:41:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: buckeroo (#117) (Edited)

You are straining your pseudo-intellectual bullshit posts.

I am so sorry.

I regret that I failed to notice I was exceeding your ability to retain and apply new knowledge.

I forgot that your information intake is limited and takes a very long time.

I will try to “dumb down” my posts so that you can begin to understand them, or at least parts of them.

Let’s test your comprehension with this: Mary had a little lamb, its fleece was white as snow. And everywhere that Mary went, the lamb was sure to go.

On a scale of one to ten, with one being the least difficult to understand and ten being the most difficult to understand, how do you rate your comprehension in the test?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-28   17:43:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: ConservingFreedom (#107)

He wants to deport 11 million illegal aliens

I want that too.

I don't have a problem with that either.

The problem is that Trump can say he's going to do it but he has not elaborated on how he's going to do it.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-28   17:45:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Deckard (#121)

he has not elaborated on how he's going to do it.

He'll make Mexico pay for it.

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-05-28   17:55:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Gatlin (#120)

I am very worried about you, tater. You are posting total babbel.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-28   17:56:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: A K A Stone, Operation 40 (#101)

Is that the same Justin Raimondo who wrote this?

Quoting stupid faggots now.

Read much?

Raimondo somewhat begrudgingly shows admiration for some of Trump's policies.

Check The link that Operation 40 posted.

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/03/11/donald-trump-good-bad-ugly/

Trump : “We have 28,000 soldiers on the line, on the border between North and South Korea. We have so many places. Saudi Arabia was making a billion dollars a day, and we were getting virtually nothing to protect them. We are going to be in a different world. We’re going to negotiate real deals now, and we’re going to bring the wealth back to our country. We owe $19 trillion. We’re going to bring wealth back to our country.

This is really quite remarkable. What Trump is saying is something Ron Paul used to say: that we could avoid national bankruptcy if only we would ditch the Empire. Unlike Paul, Trump – who is no libertarian – doesn’t oppose Social Security in principle: far from it, he pledges to leave it untouched. The point, however, is that he is focused on the crisis in this country, and sees our overseas entanglements as an albatross hung around our necks.

He topped this with an attack on the military contractors:

“They have a fantastic lobby. They take care of all of the senators, the Congressmen. They have great power and they don’t bid out. The military is never properly bid. When we go out to military bids, it’s not properly bid. And the people that really sell us the product are oftentimes the product we don’t want, only because that particular company has political juice, OK?”

This really underscores the corruption at the heart of the system. Recalling Eisenhower’s warning about the power of the military-industrial-congressional complex (that was the original formulation, which Eisenhower edited out of his speech), Trump exposed the real situation in this country: a government of completely bought-off politicians.

I guess you'd like it better if Trump got no support from "queers".

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-28   18:06:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: ConservingFreedom (#122)

He'll make Mexico pay for it.

So he says.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-28   18:08:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Deckard (#121)

The problem is that Trump can say he's going to do it but he has not elaborated on how he's going to do it.

Bullshit!

You obviously have not been paying attention and you are not learning, because you don't want to learn. All you want to do is condemn and find fault.

Trump will make “American Great Again” by returning the American people the safety of their laws.

He will begin by tripling the number of ICE officers. There are only about 5,000 officers and agents within ICE perform the lion’s share of ICE’s immigration mission. Compare that to the Los Angeles Police Department at approximately 10,000 officers and their area of coverage while 5,000 officers in ICE cover 50 states, Puerto Rico and Guam. The task of attempting to immigration law against 11 million illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States is a tough job and adding 10,000 more ICE officers is a beginning.

There are more steps, but I will not take the time to “spoon feed” you here. You do know how to do research … don’t you?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-28   18:08:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Gatlin (#126) (Edited)

He will begin by tripling the number of ICE officers

So he says.

See - the issue here is trust.

I don't trust him. He's creepy and kind of a psycho.

Your judgement is altered what with the raging hormones and endorphin-fueled high you get from your man-crush on St. Donald.

Seriously -could you possibly be any more gay?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-28   18:11:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Deckard (#127)

I am prety sure, the US Congress must have an epiphany. Since the voters don't give a damn, nothing new is going to happen.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-28   18:15:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: buckeroo (#128)

Since the voters don't give a damn, nothing new is going to happen.

SuperTrump will fly in to save the day.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-28   18:17:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Deckard (#129)

SuperTrump will fly in to save the day.

He will spout all kinds of "hot-aire" to give the voters some appeasement. But actions? The nation sinks into the worst possible nation on the planet.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-28   18:22:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: Deckard (#127)

See - the issue here is trust.

I don't trust him.

You trust NO one.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-28   19:01:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: buckeroo (#130)

Are you a soothe sayer?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-28   21:25:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: buckeroo (#130)

Did you carry your mexican flag to protest trump today, along with the other calikooks?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-28   21:27:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: buckeroo (#128)

Since the voters don't give a damn ...

Speaking of not giving a damn, are you still voting for your dog?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-28   22:19:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Gatlin (#134)

But I give a damn and that is why I urge you to write-in, "Scruffy" on your ballet ticket as our next President of the Unitied States of America. You will feel "clean" about your decision by not voting for one of these popular goddamned fascist, war mongering dawgs.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-29   7:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: buckeroo (#135)

Overlooking your reticence, I can understand that voting for your dog is probably the consequence of you being so negatively emotional and acting out on that emotion which energizes the ready capitulation of your free will and therefore, makes you a Paultard zombie.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   7:33:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Gatlin (#136)

voting for your dog

Let's get this straight, pal ... my dead dawg Scruffy rests six feet below the lay of the land.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-29   7:36:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: buckeroo (#137)

Let's get this straight, pal ... my dead dawg Scruffy rests six feet below the lay of the land.

Oh, you poor baby ... I can begin to understand why your recovery has been so difficult for you and your inability to face daily challenging aspects.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   7:45:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: Gatlin (#138)

What recovery? As always, tater, you create delusions and attempt to project the same on to others. You are sick, pal; get professional help.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-29   7:48:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: buckeroo (#139)

What recovery?

From the tragic loss of your dog, Scruffy.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   8:04:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: buckeroo (#130)

Why are you bitching? You've stated more than once that we are doomed. Go suck on a HST.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-05-29   9:02:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: buckeroo (#137) (Edited)

Let's get this straight, pal ... my dead dawg Scruffy rests six feet below the lay of the land.

A great place to visit when you wanna drink a six pack with your pooch to old memories. You suck down the beers and then pass it through your kidneys over his grave... and let the mutt have some too.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-05-29   9:05:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: GrandIsland (#141)

Why are you bitching? You've stated more than once that we are doomed.

Both he and his pothead idiot pal, Deckard, have maintained the view that we are powerless to do anything but accept the inevitable and that Trump will have no power to influence the future or determine a new corse of action.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   10:54:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: Gatlin (#140)

There has been no recovery ever. Your precocious assumption is suggestive of character flaws.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-29   11:12:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: Gatlin, GrandIsland, Deckard (#143)

Both he and his pothead idiot pal, Deckard, have maintained the view that we are powerless to do anything but accept the inevitable and that Trump will have no power to influence the future or determine a new corse of action.

There is no truth in that statement, at all.

Please feel free to vote; and vote the man of your dreams. Cast that vote the way you feel. All I am saying is: The nation is going to get worse and worse. Your vote will not remedy anything.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-29   11:19:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: buckeroo (#144)

There has been no recovery ever.

Oh, that is so sad ... it almost brings me to tears.

In that case, I sincerely hope that my insights will stimulate new and properly channeled thought which will give faint hope you will recover ... someday.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   11:19:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: Gatlin (#146)

Oh, that is so sad ... it almost brings me to tears.

Poor wittle tater ... tyme will heal.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-29   11:21:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: buckeroo (#145)

Sorry, I don't mean to jump all over you … well, okay, just a little bit … but the denial of your fatalistic attitude is something you need to deal with.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   11:26:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: buckeroo (#147)

... tyme will heal.

Time does not heal everything.

A more apt saying is “IT’S WHAT YOU DO WITH THE TIME THAT HEALS.”

You need to understand that mourning is an active, working process ... not a passive one.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-29   11:31:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: Gatlin (#148)

It doesn't matter who you vote for in the DEM/GOP party; the nation will become worse.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-29   11:32:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Gatlin (#149)

mourning is an active, working process

You were doing so well in post #146. Feel free to carry on.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-29   11:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Gatlin (#59)

Can you answer the question:

Why did Trump mortgage FAIL?

VxH  posted on  2016-06-01   15:07:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Gatlin (#58)

He just keep on moving forward to the next challenge con.

 

 

There. Fixed it for ya.


VxH  posted on  2016-06-01   15:09:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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