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Title: Disturbing Video Shows a Cop Brutally Beat a Child for Riding Her Bike, Charges HER with Assualt
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URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/co ... -riding-bike-mall-parking-lot/
Published: May 14, 2016
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2016-05-14 12:42:40 by Deckard
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Views: 29635
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Tacoma, WA — On May 24, 2014, 15-year-old Monique Tillman and her brother were riding their bikes when they were stopped and this young girl brutally assaulted by Tacoma Police Officer Jared Williams. Tillman and her brother had done nothing wrong, and were merely targetted by this ‘public servant’ because they had the unfortunate luck to have crossed paths with him. As the duo travelled home, they cut through a mall parking lot, as they had done countless times before. However, this time, Officer Williams was in that parking lot, in his full Tacoma Police department uniform, yet off-duty, working as mall security. As the teens travelled through the lot, Williams began pursuit of these hardened criminals and accused them of trespassing. Knowing they’d done nothing wrong, Monique attempted to explain to the officer that they cut through the parking lot all the time on their way home. However, this tyrant was having nothing of it. As the duo attempted to ride away from a man whose intentions were clearly unscrupulous, Williams attacked. A recently released surveillance video shows the disturbing scene that unfolded next. This heroic officer ripped the girl from her bike and slammed her up against a parked car with his hand around her neck. As the child struggled to breathe, this abusive tyrant grabbed her by the hair and flung her around like a rag doll. Clearly overpowering the small child, half his size, the officer wasn’t satisfied with the damage he’d inflicted so far. So, for good measure, Williams pulled out his taser and sent 50,000 volts into this poor girl. “He was choking me, grabbed me by my hair and tried to slam my face into the concrete. The next thing I know, I’m on the ground being tased,” Tillman said. Now face down, tasered, handcuffed and brutalized, Williams stood over his victim like a hunter and his kill. He had protected society from the likes of a dangerous brother and sister riding their bicycles. Williams then arrested Monique and charged her with resisting arrest and, get this, assault on an officer. After viewing the surveillance video of the incident, however, all of the charges were thrown out. Vito de la Cruz, Tillman’s attorney, has filed a lawsuit seeking damages from Officer Williams, the Simon Property Group who owns the Tacoma Mall and Universal Protection Services, the private security company in charge of Tacoma Mall security. “A child riding a bike should not have to worry that a police officer will stop her without legal cause and brutalize her,” said de la Cruz. “Our communities are weary of another African American child being hurt by unwarranted and excessive police force.” The Free Thought Project reached out the Tacoma PD to inquire about Williams’ current status and if any disciplinary action had been taken. However, our requests for comment were not returned. Below is what policing in modern day America has become.
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#35. To: Deckard, Gatlin, sneakypete, GrandIsland (#0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuuvmJ6L_Y 0:49 — Officer Williams appears to take out book to record information or write a citation 0:55 — Officer Williams begins writing 0:56 — Suspect Tillman starts to ride off and is stopped by Officer Williams 1:07 — Suspect Tillman held against vehicle; resists Officer Williams 1:14 — Officer Williams right hand is on upper chest of Suspect Tillman, not on neck or choking 1:25 — Suspect Tillman continues to resist and is wrestled away from vehicle 1:27 — Suspect Tillman wrestled to the ground and continues to resist 1:34 — Officer Williams starts to draw Taser 1:38 — Suspect Tillman, on ground, is tased; stops resisting. Suspect Tillman is handcuffed by unidentified Security Officer. See still photos: From the COMPLAINT: Clearly, it is not Officer Williams who handcuffed Tillman. It is one of three security officers on the scene. Their uniforms are distinctive and different. Officer Williams stood aside as this took place. This appears strange. Was Tillman found not guilty after trial? Did the trial proceed to its end? A clarification of what actually happened at trial would be helpful. What injuries? The Complaint does not specify any physical injuries. Again, physical injuries are cited but not specified. By Elisa Jaffe TACOMA, Wash. -- Monique Tillman said she's still shocked by the violent confrontation that unfolded with police last May in the Tacoma Mall parking lot. Now she and the Tacoma Police Department have very different versions of how their violent confrontation transpired. Tillman was 15-years old at the time and riding bikes on a Saturday with her 16-year-old brother. They'd left McDonald's and decided to take a short cut home through the mall's lot. Mall security ordered the teens to pull over, but officers say the kids didn't stop. Security video shows Tillman, now 16, talking with an off-duty Tacoma Police officer hired by the mall for crime prevention. Their encounter rapidly escalates. "He was just pulling my hair and like he was trying to slam my face into the ground," she said. The officer looks to take out a note pad to write down information. Tillman said she didn't have identification and thought she was being racially profiled and told the officer that. Before the officer could write anything down, Tillman admits she tried to ride away. That's when he grabbed her. "I did have a bit of an attitude, but that's because it was a waste of my time. I hadn't done anything wrong," she said. The police report described the kids cutting off cars earlier, swearing and yelling at anyone who honked at them, and that the mall wanted them stopped and given a trespassing notice. "I felt like they just see me as some black kid wanting to cause problems or something. And it was nothing like that," said the 11th grader. The report claims Tillman, who says she's a straight A student at Bates Technical High School, became belligerent, swearing, screaming, and resisting until she was Tased by the Tacoma officer. "It felt like electricity running through my veins instead of blood," she said. That's when she stopped resisting and started cooperating. An attorney for the family plans to sue the Tacoma Police Department and the off-duty officer. "This officer was obviously confused about what his powers were and he chose to exceed what he was allowed to do and hurt my client," said attorney Tom Balerud. Balerud said the officer was performing a corporate function for the mall, not a police function, and abused his power. Tacoma Police Department Public Information Officer Loretta Cool disagrees. Of the officer, Cool said, "His presence at the Tacoma Mall, even though off duty and paid by mall, he's a police officer and he's acting as a police officer." He had his car, his uniform, and his Taser. Cool said the second he was called on to order the teens off the private property and turned his lights on, the officer was working on the city's payroll, not the mall's. A department investigation into the use of force determined the officer could have used more force than he did on the teen when she fought back. Cool said it looked like he was going easy on the girl because of her age and size. Balerud said the thought that more force would have been acceptable under department policy is reprehensible.
Ah Ha! I knew that the didn't stop them just to write an invitation to his birthday party. I figured they must have committed some offense. So, Deckard, Mister Always Right Cop-Hater ... will you ever wait until you have all the information available before you pass judgment on cops and find them guilty of everything. The answer to that, of course ... is No, Never.
Excellent job ... as always. Thank you ...
He's batting .000 for the year.
He's batting .000 for the year. He is pathetic.
This was a SURVEILLANCE tape made by the mall security camera. Now you are claiming the video has been edited? Oh - he "claimed" that, did he? Then why were the kids not charged with that offense? Ping to Post #25,
Of course, I watched the video. I wouldn't have commented otherwise. Watch the video toward the end for the other two mall cops.
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Oh - he "claimed" that, did he? Then why were the kids not charged with that offense? Because his good hearted nature caused him to be benevolent and his kindly feelings were motivated by sympathetic understanding to let her off with a verbal warning: Telling her she was causing a disturbance and going to be “trespassed,” or banned, from the mall. He also warned her that she could be arrested if she were to return. Besides, she was charged in juvenile court with resisting arrest and assaulting an officer .... to “pile on charges” against the lovely poor innocent girl who was so demure and polite while conforming to social norms would be cruel and inhumane.
They were arrested on other charges. You want more?
Oh - he "claimed" that, did he? Then why were the kids not charged with that offense? I reckon that's because traffic infractions are not criminal offenses and are not charged in criminal court.
You and people like you are the reason I arrested everyone that caused me to put my hands on them. astonishingly, many officers with bleeding libtarded hearts still lay hands on and then, feel bad and don't arrest. Then the liability suits come in for excessive force... and the scumbags attorney claims his client was an angel because he/she wasn't arrested. It doesn't pay to have a heart and soul... because of scumbags like you. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Kids are becoming empowered and every day is like living in a war zone for them. Even small requests will set off fire works with these kids because they are unable to understand the word “no.” They are determined to gain power through constant arguing. Their bullying and physical violence, coupled with their refusal to follow rules and assume responsibility for their actions, along with their cursing and threatening behavior needs to be addressed. Dealing with oppositional defiant juveniles can be frustrating and exhausting. Excusing their uncivil actions by wrongfully misplacing blame on an officer performing his duty is an abomination.
By whose definition ... yours? By any sane definition known to man. Or do the words "open to the public" confuse you? BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Yeah,and it is also true. The Future Felons of America and dey mama's might not like it,but it's still true. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Where is this proven incorrect? I know you have a limited attention span,so I will just point out that the kids riding through the parking lot were NOT employees of the corporation that owns the mall,and that bozo was wearing his city police uniform,not a security guard uniform. Which means he was representing the city to the public,not representing the mall corporation. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
No,but we can only hope she was saying that or something similar. People who don't speak up for their rights lose them. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
You mean to tell me these two 15 and 16 year old kids had nothing better to do that spend a good part of the afternoon riding bicycles around a mall parking lot to deliberately cut off cars and cause people to beep their horns and scream at them,and they were doing this long enough for calls to 9-11 to be made and police to be dispatched to arrest those desperadoes? Just how freaking likely is that? BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Sure I do. Public property - Private property - Public Use - Dedication -
Agreed. Not agreed. Once a cop starts that kind of treatment, even if it's warranted which in this case sure appears it was not, the person being so attacked is not legally liable for any kind of resistant or defensive action. Or shouldn't be. That is a completely natural and instinctive survival response. Only if they do something criminal BEFORE being treated like that should they be charged with resisting and/or assault. That's common sense, if common sense should ever apply in these cases. I think technically it is not public property, but rather, a place of public accommodation. But the difference is moot in this case. I suspect "Mall security" has less authority to stop and apprehend than does a law enforcement officer. Insofar as this cop was not a "law enforcement officer" when working privately at the mall, he was not acting in the capacity of law enforcement. How much more limiting the authority granted is, we don't know. But that the police dept is not being sued in the case is evidence enough that the cop was not acting in the capacity of law enforcement. That's the way it should be. But the resisting charge was apparently tossed out, so the PTB's either agree with you or didn't see her resisting. From the video he appears to love power trips and throwing his (and the girl's) weight around. That's probably why he decided to become a cop.
Read much before posting? Officer Williams was at work, at the mall, paid by the mall. The juvenile delinquents were doing it long enough for Officer Williams and mall security to respond. At #35: [...] "This officer was obviously confused about what his powers were and he chose to exceed what he was allowed to do and hurt my client," said attorney Tom Balerud. Balerud [attorney for Tillman] said the officer was performing a corporate function for the mall, not a police function, and abused his power. Tacoma Police Department Public Information Officer Loretta Cool disagrees. Of the officer, Cool said, "His presence at the Tacoma Mall, even though off duty and paid by mall, he's a police officer and he's acting as a police officer." He had his car, his uniform, and his Taser. Cool said the second he was called on to order the teens off the private property and turned his lights on, the officer was working on the city's payroll, not the mall's. A department investigation into the use of force determined the officer could have used more force than he did on the teen when she fought back. Cool said it looked like he was going easy on the girl because of her age and size.
This shopping center parking lot belonged to the mall owner and was private property.
No one is telling you that. The kids were passing through the parking lot on their way home when “the kids were cutting off cars, swearing and yelling at anyone who honked at them.” Where did you read that anyone called 911? Where did you read that the police were dispatched to arrest the kids? None of this happened. “The mall wanted them stopped and given a trespassing notice.” Not freaking likely at all … because it never happened the way you described it. If You're Gonna Play in Texas You Gotta Have a Fiddle in the Band. Paraphrasing: If you’re gonna jump in on a discussion, you gotta have your facts straight.
At #35: He had his car, his uniform, and his Taser. Cool said the second he was called on to order the teens off the private property and turned his lights on, the officer was working on the city's payroll, not the mall's.
I did not see this post before I responded to sneakypete.
You are consistent in what you want the law to be, but you are consistently wrong. She is required to comply with the commands of the officer. He may escalate his force to whatever it takes to force her compliance. Resisting the officer in his duties is not self-defence.
[...] People who don't speak up for their rights lose them. Judging from her gestures, she was certainly exercising her First Amendment right.
It's all good.
I'm not wrong in what I want the law to be. I think I can speak authoritatively on that. But not beyond that needed, which from the video certainly seems to be the case here, and apparently the cause of the civil case now filed against the officer, the mall, et al. If the officer grabs a girl's hair and starts throwing her around that way, then the girl can hardly be held responsible for whatever action she takes in her own self-defense from that point forward, such as grabbing the guards hands. Expecting her to suffer through pain and possibly serious injury by not taking any instinctive self-protective measures is surely ludicrous. And I don't think that's a subjective statement.
The kids were not there for any purpose but to use it as a short cut. Mall security wanted the kids to be given a traspassing notice. At #35: [...] The police report described the kids cutting off cars earlier, swearing and yelling at anyone who honked at them, and that the mall wanted them stopped and given a trespassing notice.
But the police are not being sued. So apparently, he was wearing the police uniform inappropriately because he was not acting in the capacity of a city police officer, but only in the capacity of a mall security guard.
If so, the offense was not trespassing, but disturbing the peace. It's also not trespassing in a place of public accommodation until after someone is told they may not come. I suppose that may have been the point of the notice. Not a citation or claim any offense was committed, but just a "notice". But still, given the girl was arrested, why wasn't disturbing the peace or some similar charge levelled related to the real reason for the stop, instead of resisting and assault?
No, it does not appear so. The officer did not strike her and did not choke her. The filed Complaint specifies no physical injury whatever, but where the taser struck must have left a mark. She unlawfully tried to flee and resisted. He overcame her resistence with the taser. She could have complied at any time. She can be held responsible for whatever she does to resist. It is unlawful resistance, not self-defence. The only reason any force was being used was her resistance. After the taser, the officer stood aside and mall security handcuffed her.
Inappropriately? Maybe yes … maybe no. There are a number of cities that have a formal program that allow their police officers to be serve as private security while they are in uniform. LA and NYC are but two of those cities. I don’t know the Tacoma police policy on this.
Blah,blah,blah. You are more full of shit than a Thanksgiving turkey. There is no lie you won't tell and no truth you won't stretch to the limits in order to provide excuses for cowardly thugs with badges. HOW were the mall owners going to call tow trucks to tow off the kids bicycles that were just traveling THROUGH the parking lot? More importantly,the trouble started with the mall employee,a thug with a badge,stopped the kids TO KEEP THEM FROM LEAVING. Are you now claiming mall owners have a right to imprison people passing through? A mall parking lot IS public property,and the only time the public is forbidden access to that property is when those INDIVIDUALS have broken some of the rules and management has told them to leave. The kids were ALREADY leaving,you idiot. It was the mall employees that kept them there. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this. The officer clearly threw her to the ground with his left hand firmly holding her hair. The taser followed. In sum, it easily appeared to me as excessive force, and apart from what did appear to be an attempt by the girl to leave the scene, there is no obvious move of resistance to me through the rest of the ordeal. That all charges were dropped reinforces that observation. They may call it that in a court of law, but that doesn't mean in real life, people have not been killed by police because they could not breath under the weight of several cops standing on top of them, chocking them, and/or beating them. It has happened as you know. Ergo, those people who died certainly had a natural right to self-defense against the excessive acts of the police. Obviously we can see that most clearly in hindsight, but if it's there in hindsight, it still means it was there and is there. Obviously the courts will be slow to find innocent as a matter of self defense anyone harming a police officer while knowing it was a police officer. But if a cop can kill out of reasonable fear for his own life, then that right has to apply to citizens as well. And the more cops are trained to shoot at the slightest provocation, the more reason informed citizens have to be fearful of cops who point guns at them. Will such a case ever happen? I don't know.
Not agreed. Once a cop starts that kind of treatment, even if it's warranted which in this case sure appears it was not, the person being so attacked is not legally liable for any kind of resistant or defensive action. Or shouldn't be. That is a completely natural and instinctive survival response. Only if they do something criminal BEFORE being treated like that should they be charged with resisting and/or assault. That's common sense, if common sense should ever apply in these cases. You misunderstood me. The girl was peacefully (not using force) to resist arrest by peddling away,and was then assaulted by the thug with the badge. She THEN started resisting,and who wouldn't? Other than some of jackboot lickers here,that is. Which nullifies the first point about her resisting arrest. He had no right to stop or try to arrest her,so she can't be charged with resisting an illegal arrest. I didn't say she was ILLEGALLY resisting arrest,I just said she was resisting once he grabbed her. Up to the point where he grabbed her,she was just leaving. Too many cops are their own worse enemies because they create enemies where none existed before by being power-mad abusive assholes. One of life's greatest wonders to me is why more people aren't sniping at policemen from rooftops. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Okay, but in any event, since the city is not named as a defendant in the case, it's apparent that the cop was not acting in the capacity of a cop when working for the mall.
Officer Williams was at work, at the mall, paid by the mall. The juvenile delinquents were doing it long enough for Officer Williams and mall security to respond. Think much before posting? I don't give a rabid rat's ass if he had been adopted by the corporation that owns the mall,the way the process works is that citizens call 9-11 to report a problem,9-11 notifies the cops on duty,and the cops on duty then respond to the 9-11 call. For reasons I don't pretend to understand,the city let Officer Bozo work as a security guard at a private mall while wearing his PD uniform and badge,and they even let him drive a PD car while doing it. In other words,he picked up on the 9-11 operator paging patrol cars over his patrol car radio. This doesn't happen instantly. It takes time,and by the time the phone calls are made and the 9-11 operators put out the notification,whoever was doing what was claimed,IF anyone was actually doing that,was long gone. I would love to see the lawyers representing the teens demand the 9-11 recordings with date and time stamps. Frankly,I don't begin to understand why the Tacoma PD is backing that fool,and leaving themselves and the city open to lawsuits. I think ever similar situation I have ever heard of,the city and the PD couldn't back away from their off-duty cop any faster. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest In his report, he claimed Tillman and her brother were cutting off cars with their bicycles and yelling and swearing at drivers.
4.13. Defendant Williams then handcuffed Plaintiff and put her into a patrol car.
4.14. Plaintiff was charged with assault on a police officer and resisting arrest, charges which were dismissed after trial.
4.17. Defendant Williams' conduct proximately caused Plaintiffs injuries, harms and damages.
5.1. The acts and omissions of all Defendants proximately caused Plaintiff Monique Charlene Tillman to suffer physical injuries, physical and mental pain and suffering, embarrassment and discomfort.
Tasered teen: 'It felt like electricity running through my veins'
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#36. To: nolu chan, Deckard (#35)
In his report, he claimed Tillman and her brother were cutting off cars with their bicycles and yelling and swearing at drivers.
#37. To: nolu chan (#35)
#38. To: Gatlin (#36)
So, Deckard, Mister Always Right Cop-Hater ... will you ever wait until you have all the information available
#39. To: Roscoe (#38)
So, Deckard, Mister Always Right Cop-Hater ... will you ever wait until you have all the information available
#40. To: Gatlin (#34)
These EDITED tapes NEVER show the BEFORE ...
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
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#41. To: Gatlin, nolu chan, Roscoe (#36)
In his report, he claimed Tillman and her brother were cutting off cars with their bicycles and yelling and swearing at drivers.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#42. To: Don (#35)
#43. To: Gatlin (#32)
#44. To: Deckard (#41)
In his report, he claimed Tillman and her brother were cutting off cars with their bicycles and yelling and swearing at drivers.
#45. To: Deckard (#41)
Then why were the kids not charged with that offense?
#46. To: Deckard, Gatlin, Roscoe (#41)
In his report, he claimed Tillman and her brother were cutting off cars with their bicycles and yelling and swearing at drivers.
#47. To: Deckard (#41)
Then why were the kids not charged with that offense?
#48. To: Roscoe, Deckard (#45)
#49. To: Gatlin (#20)
A shopping center parking lot is by definition public property
#50. To: nativist nationalist (#22)
#51. To: Gatlin (#23)
Private security guards work for the private business that they are hired by. If your employer can search your stuff at work (part of terms of employment, company policy, or contract deal etc.), then the hired security guard can do so. Fourth amendment protection only applies to governmental intrusion. Security guards are not agents of the government.
#52. To: Gatlin (#26)
There is no audio, so it is not clear to me that she did not say, "you can't stop me for anything, you fucking pig and I am leaving rat now and you can't do anything about it ..."
#53. To: nolu chan (#35)
The police report described the kids cutting off cars earlier, swearing and yelling at anyone who honked at them, and that the mall wanted them stopped and given a trespassing notice.
#54. To: sneakypete, nolu chan (#49)
A shopping center parking lot is by definition public property
By whose definition ... yours?
By any sane definition known to man.
Or do the words "open to the public" confuse you? Open to the Public -
A shopping center lot is not a public parking lot if it's a privately owned parking lot belonging to the owner of the shopping mall. The people leasing the property or the owners of the property can tow you if you don't park according to their wishes. The privately owned parking lots at the shopping malls are “open to the public” to provide a great service by allowing us access to retail and office centers. The owners or management controls access to a privately owned shopping center parking lot “open to the public.” In Cincinnati recently private event club transitioned to a cocktail bar and lounge that’s “open to the public.” While it is “open to the public,” the management or owners can have you leave if there is sufficient reason to. “Open to the public” does not mean it is public property, that the public can have access anytime they desire or do anything the want to. It is still private property if it is privately owned or owned by a corporation and they control the “dos and don'ts.”
Property owned by the government or one of its agencies, divisions, or entities. Commonly a reference to parks, playgrounds, streets, sidewalks, schools, libraries and other property regularly used by the general public.
Land not owned by the government or dedicated to public use.
the only purpose for which private property can be taken (condemned) by the government under its power of eminent domain. Public use includes: schools, streets, highways, hospitals, government buildings, parks, water reservoirs, flood control, slum clearance and redevelopment, public housing, public theaters and stadiums, safety facilities, harbors, bridges, railroads, airports, terminals, prisons, jails, public utilities, canals, and numerous other purposes designated as beneficial to the public.
The giving of land by a private person or entity to the government, typically for a street, park or school site, as part of and a condition of a real estate development. The local county or city (or other public body) must accept the dedication before it is complete. In many cases there are "dedicated" streets on old subdivision maps which were never officially accepted and, in effect, belong to no one. The adjoining property owners can sue for a judgment to give them the title to the unclaimed (unowned) street or property (quiet title action) or request abandonment by the government which did not accept the street or other property.
#55. To: sneakypete (#5)
Ok,just watched the video and need to point out two things. The girl CLEARLY was trying to ride away on her bicycle when he first grabbed her,
and she was CLEARLY resisting arrest when he started tossing her around,choking her,and tasing her.
The most important thing to point out is that HE HAD NO AUTHORITY TO STOP HER TO START WITH. A shopping center parking lot is by definition public property,and he has no legal or moral authority to stop anyone from entering it at any time of the day or night.
Which nullifies the first point about her resisting arrest. He had no right to stop or try to arrest her,so she can't be charged with resisting an illegal arrest.
Officer Cartman was just having one of those "You WILL respect my authoritay!" moments. SOB should be fired and sued by both the city and the girls parents.
#56. To: sneakypete (#53)
(Edited)
You mean to tell me these two 15 and 16 year old kids had nothing better to do that spend a good part of the afternoon riding bicycles around a mall parking lot to deliberately cut off cars and cause people to beep their horns and scream at them,and they were doing this long enough for calls to 9-11 to be made and police to be dispatched to arrest those desperadoes?
Security video shows Tillman, now 16, talking with an off-duty Tacoma Police officer hired by the mall for crime prevention.
#57. To: Deckard, sneakypete (#10)
HE HAD NO AUTHORITY TO STOP HER TO START WITH. A shopping center parking lot is by definition public property
#58. To: sneakypete, nolu chan (#53)
You mean to tell me these two 15 and 16 year old kids had nothing better to do that spend a good part of the afternoon riding bicycles around a mall parking lot to deliberately cut off cars and cause people to beep their horns and scream at them …
…and they were doing this long enough for calls to 9-11 to be made and police to be dispatched to arrest those desperadoes?
Just how freaking likely is that?
#59. To: sneakypete, Gatlin (#51)
I know you have a limited attention span,so I will just point out that the kids riding through the parking lot were NOT employees of the corporation that owns the mall,and that bozo was wearing his city police uniform,not a security guard uniform. Which means he was representing the city to the public,not representing the mall corporation.
Of the officer, [Tacoma Police Department Public Information Officer Loretta] Cool said, "His presence at the Tacoma Mall, even though off duty and paid by mall, he's a police officer and he's acting as a police officer."
#60. To: nolu chan, sneakypete (#56)
#61. To: Pinguinite, sneakypete (#55)
Once a cop starts that kind of treatment, even if it's warranted which in this case sure appears it was not, the person being so attacked is not legally liable for any kind of resistant or defensive action. Or shouldn't be.
#62. To: sneakypete (#52)
There is no audio, so it is not clear to me that she did not say, "you can't stop me for anything, you fucking pig and I am leaving rat now and you can't do anything about it ..."
#63. To: sneakypete (#51)
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I know you have a limited attention span,so I will just point out that the kids riding through the parking lot were NOT employees of the corporation that owns the mall,
I never said they were employees of the corporation … did I? …and that bozo was wearing his city police uniform,not a security guard uniform. Which means he was representing the city to the public,not representing the mall corporation.
True and True.
#64. To: Gatlin (#60)
I did not see this post before I responded to sneakypete.
#65. To: nolu chan (#61)
You are consistent in what you want the law to be, but you are consistently wrong.
She is required to comply with the commands of the officer. He may escalate his force to whatever it takes to force her compliance.
Resisting the officer in his duties is not self-defence.
#66. To: sneakypete, Gatlin (#51)
I know you have a limited attention span,so I will just point out that the kids riding through the parking lot were NOT employees of the corporation that owns the mall
They'd left McDonald's and decided to take a short cut home through the mall's lot.
#67. To: sneakypete (#51)
and that bozo was wearing his city police uniform,not a security guard uniform. Which means he was representing the city to the public,not representing the mall corporation.
#68. To: nolu chan (#66)
The police report described the kids cutting off cars earlier, swearing and yelling at anyone who honked at them, and that the mall wanted them stopped and given a trespassing notice.
#69. To: Pinguinite (#65)
But not beyond that needed, which from the video certainly seems to be the case here
the girl can hardly be held responsible for whatever action she takes in her own self-defense from that point forward
#70. To: Pinguinite, sneakypete (#67)
So apparently, he was wearing the police uniform inappropriately because he was not acting in the capacity of a city police officer, but only in the capacity of a mall security guard.
#71. To: Gatlin (#54)
Open to the Public - A shopping center lot is not a public parking lot if it's a privately owned parking lot belonging to the owner of the shopping mall. The people leasing the property or the owners of the property can tow you if you don't park according to their wishes. The privately owned parking lots at the shopping malls are “open to the public” to provide a great service by allowing us access to retail and office centers. The owners or management controls access to a privately owned shopping center parking lot “open to the public.” In Cincinnati recently private event club transitioned to a cocktail bar and lounge that’s “open to the public.” While it is “open to the public,” the management or owners can have you leave if there is sufficient reason to. “Open to the public” does not mean it is public property, that the public can have access anytime they desire or do anything the want to. It is still private property if it is privately owned or owned by a corporation and they control the “dos and don'ts.”
#72. To: nolu chan (#69)
She unlawfully tried to flee and resisted. He overcame her resistence with the taser. She could have complied at any time.
It is unlawful resistance, not self-defence.
#73. To: Pinguinite (#55)
and she was CLEARLY resisting arrest when he started tossing her around,choking her,and tasing her.
#74. To: Gatlin (#70)
There are a number of cities that have a formal program that allow their police officers to be serve as private security while they are in uniform. LA and NYC are but two of those cities.
#75. To: nolu chan (#56)
Read much before posting?
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