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Title: With Trump as nominee, delegate spots lose appeal for Republicans
Source: CNN
URL Source: http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/11/polit ... ck-out-donald-trump/index.html
Published: May 11, 2016
Author: Tal Kopan
Post Date: 2016-05-11 20:37:58 by Hondo68
Keywords: No appeal Donald, delegates quitting, Low to no energy
Views: 7726
Comments: 74

Trump's wild ride to take over the GOP

Trump's wild ride to take over the GOP 02:33

Story highlights

  • Some Republican delegates to July's convention are dropping out now that Donald Trump is the presumptive nominee
  • High-profile GOP lawmakers are already not going, and the trend is extending to other would-be delegates

Washington (CNN)Cleveland isn't the hot spot it once was.

For many prominent Republicans, a contested GOP national convention was the last hope for a nominee other than Donald Trump, and they were maneuvering to have a front-row seat to the gamesmanship.

    But with Trump now the presumptive nominee, a number of would-be delegates are quietly giving up their tickets to Ohio.
    Art Pope, a conservative donor and former backer of Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, decided not to pursue a delegate spot after Trump won.
    "This morning, I withdrew my name from the nominating slate for the North Carolina Republican State Convention," Pope, a former state official, told CNN the day after Trump won Indiana. "At this point in time I do not plan to actively support Donald Trump, that's why I'm not going to the Republican National Convention."

    The dropouts come as the GOP is split over having Trump as its standard-bearer, with some Republicans questioning his temperament, conservative credentials and ability to defeat Hillary Clinton in November.

    North Carolina finalized its delegate slate last weekend at a state convention that Ted Cruz supporters had been prepared to dominate before he dropped out. Cruz's campaign was highly effective at getting loyalists named to delegate spots around the country, in many cases with supporters occupying delegate spots bound to Trump on the first ballot or second ballot but poised to switch loyalty on subsequent roll calls at a contested convention.
    Cruz delegate chief Ken Cuccinelli said the campaign has heard from some of its delegates that they no longer intended to vie for slots.
    "Yes, we've heard from a smattering of those and we're trying to get them to change their mind. That's an ongoing effort," Cucinnelli said.
    Cruz's campaign wants its existing and would-be delegates to continue the fight. It convened a conference call Monday night with supporters and urged them to continue to seek out spots in state delegations, especially on the Rules and Platform committees.
    In South Carolina, which also selected delegates the weekend after Trump's win, the mood at the state convention was described as somber.
    "The SCGOP convention feels like a wake. Only 57% turnout, even after alternates were seated. Feel the excitement for November," an adviser to former candidate Ohio Gov. John Kasich, Andrew Boucher, tweeted. A state party source confirmed that attendance was just over 50% of what was expected.
    The interest in delegate slots was also muted. South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham had intended to run for a spot as a supporter of Cruz, according to a sample ballot circulated to state delegates early last week shared with CNN.
    But Graham subsequently withdrew his name and publicly announced on CNN he would not back Trump or attend the national convention.

    Graham isn't the only big name staying home. Senators including Mark Kirk of Illinois and Jeff Flake and John McCain of Arizona have all said they won't go. Former Presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, along with former nominee Mitt Romney also will not attend.

    In Illinois, the delegate selection process has been underway for weeks, with a committee working on a recommended slate of at-large delegates for the state's GOP convention in late May.
    Republican Gov. Bruce Rauner, the highest-ranking Republican in the state and an improbable victor in the blue state's last gubernatorial election, was expected to chair the delegation.
    But right after Trump's Indiana win, Rauner's office informed local reporters he would not be attending. The move is expected to be echoed by most of the state's Republican leadership.
    "There were plenty of prominent Republicans who wanted to go, not to support Trump but to support someone on the second ballot, and once that potential evaporated, so did the interest in the convention," said Pat Brady, a former chairman of the state GOP.
    Brady was elected directly as a delegate for Ohio Gov. John Kasich in the state's primary, and as of Tuesday, still intended to go.
    According to two sources familiar with the New York GOP, a small number of interested delegates have made it known they no longer want to be a delegate. That state party selects delegates in small gatherings at the congressional district level and statewide level throughout May.
    And in Indiana, Joshua Claybourn, an Evansville lawyer involved in local Republican politics, said he will relinquish an RNC delegate slot he had already secured.
    "I will neither vote for, nor in any other way support, Mr. Trump," he said in an email to CNN. Claybourn pointed to Trump's positions on trade, free speech, and his lack of "a mature temperament needed at home and abroad."
    "I believe a Trump presidency would bring less peace, more economic hardship, and a greater deterioration of freedom and respect," Claybourn added. "I cannot in good conscience attend a convention supporting him."


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    #1. To: hondo68 (#0)

    I hope that the "grand ol' party" rots into total decay because of the shenanigans they played on Ron Paul in 2012.

    buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-11   20:53:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #2. To: buckeroo (#1)

    I hope that the "grand ol' party" rots into total decay because of the shenanigans they played on Ron Paul in 2012.

    Ron Paul is for legalizing Heroin. That is a sicko position.

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   20:54:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #3. To: A K A Stone (#2)

    He was never "FOR" Heroin. You don't understand the IDEAL PRINCIPLE of an educated People.

    buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-11   21:00:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #4. To: buckeroo (#3)

    He was never "FOR" Heroin. You don't understand the IDEAL PRINCIPLE of an educated People.

    He is for it being legal. That isn't educated that is stupid. True liberty contains virtue.

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   21:01:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #5. To: buckeroo (#3)

    Ron Paul Morning-after pill same as birth control pill; not immoral. (Feb 2012)

    More stupidity.

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   21:03:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #6. To: A K A Stone (#4)

    True liberty contains virtue.

    Where is the "virtue" of a nanny state that imprisons its citizens for being sick while stealing our tax dollars to fight silly, useless and failing "Drug Wars?"

    buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-11   21:03:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #7. To: All (#5)

    Ron Paul Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   21:04:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #8. To: A K A Stone (#5)

    Ron Paul Morning-after pill same as birth control pill; not immoral. (Feb 2012)

    What is immoral about a pill? It defies the Pope's decree?

    buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-11   21:05:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #9. To: buckeroo (#6)

    Ron Paul Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)

    Evil.

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   21:05:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #10. To: buckeroo (#6)

    Where is the "virtue" of a nanny state that imprisons its citizens for being sick while stealing our tax dollars to fight silly, useless and failing "Drug Wars?"

    No one is imprisoned for being sick.

    It isn't silly and useless to try stop the heroin epidemic.

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   21:06:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #11. To: A K A Stone (#9)

    Ron Paul Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)

    Are you reading these little one liners off some insignificant web site? They make no sense at all.

    buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-11   21:07:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #12. To: buckeroo (#8)

    What is immoral about a pill? It defies the Pope's decree?

    Taking a pill the morning after to murder your kid is murder. Murder is evil.

    Life begins at conception. It is a scientific fact and indisputable.

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   21:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #13. To: buckeroo (#11)

    On the issues is a good site.

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   21:08:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #14. To: A K A Stone (#10)

    It isn't silly and useless to try stop the heroin epidemic.

    Where does the power of the state stop? Eating eggs and drinking non-pasteurized milk?

    buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-11   21:08:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #15. To: A K A Stone (#13)

    Why don't you reveal your web site?

    buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-11   21:09:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #16. To: buckeroo (#11)

    Ron Paul Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004) Are you reading these little one liners off some insignificant web site? They make no sense at all.

    You can't comprehend that Ron Paul voted that it is ok to kill a pregnant woman's child in the commission of a crime? That isn't conservative it is liberal and quite evil.

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   21:09:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #17. To: buckeroo (#11)

    Let market determine interest rate, instead of Fed price-fix. (Nov 2011)

    Unconstitutional and dereliction of duty as a congressman.

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   21:11:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #18. To: buckeroo (#15)

    Why don't you reveal your web site?

    I already did in post 11 my friend.

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   21:11:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #19. To: buckeroo (#14)

    Where does the power of the state stop? Eating eggs and drinking non-pasteurized milk?

    What is moral. That is where it stops.

    Heroin is an addictive and destructive drug that should have no place in a civilized society.

    Eating eggs and non pasteurized milk is your own personal business and not that of the governments.

    Is Trump against you being able to eat eggs?

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   21:13:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #20. To: buckeroo (#15)

    Here is a direct link.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm

    I'll admit he has more good votes than bad ones. But the bad is pretty bad.

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   21:14:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #21. To: A K A Stone (#16)

    You can't comprehend ....

    You are attempting to play your silly games of badgering again, not realizing there is a limit of the POWER of government and we must permit educated people to exercise their OWN responsible decisions about their respective lives. cya later.

    buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-11   21:15:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #22. To: buckeroo (#21)

    You are attempting to play your silly games of badgering again,

    No we were having a good discussion. You ran away with your tail between your legs.

    Badgering is what I do to sneakypete.

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   21:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #23. To: A K A Stone (#22)

    No you do not limit your POWER as a "moderator" to one or two posters. You play the fuckin' POWER game just like the slow creepin' US government.

    buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-11   21:25:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #24. To: buckeroo (#23)

    No you do not limit your POWER as a "moderator" to one or two posters. You play the fuckin' POWER game just like the slow creepin' US government.

    That is true at times.

    I tried to get redleg to help out. But he is to busy. I thought he would be fair. More fair than me.

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   21:34:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #25. To: A K A Stone (#24)

    Shall we resume with our discussion, now?

    It is obvious that the US government has failed on many fronts that affect moral principles and i believe you resent it not just for the way of life you and your family were brought up but by the world around.

    The US government has taken the idea of individual liberty to absolute absurdity. The idea that anyone can use a publick toilet is just one of the absurd legal requirements.

    The US government uses the ACLU to pose these silly legal questions in the form of lawsuits against established principles. The ACLU is paid $250 an hour to provide these lawsuits .... did you know that?

    buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-11   21:42:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #26. To: buckeroo (#25)

    The idea that anyone can use a publick toilet is just one of the absurd legal requirements.

    The US government uses the ACLU to pose these silly legal questions in the form of lawsuits against established principles. The ACLU is paid $250 an hour to provide these lawsuits .... did you know that?

    So are you for against transvestites using the ladies room if they are men. From your statement I am not sure.

    I was thinking of going to Target to use the ladies room and piss on the seat and not flush.

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   21:44:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #27. To: A K A Stone (#26)

    So are you for against transvestites using the ladies room if they are men. From your statement I am not sure.

    I am neither FOR or AGAINST a transvestite using a publick toilet. If they are near me, however, they will get a publick beating just for their proximity. Do you get it?

    buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-11   21:48:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #28. To: buckeroo (#27)

    If they are near me, however, they will get a publick beating just for their proximity. Do you get it?

    You are a great American for that comment. God bless you. Live long and prosper.

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   21:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #29. To: buckeroo (#27)

    I am neither FOR or AGAINST a transvestite using a publick toilet.

    I don't care if they use the rest room. Just use the right one. Or at least don't legislate them to have a right to use the wrong one.

    This is more than about going to the bathroom. It is about forcing us to accept their mental illness as normal and bless it.

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   21:51:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #30. To: A K A Stone, *2016 The Likely Suspects* (#26)

    going to Target to use the ladies room and piss on the seat and not flush

    The first lady who goes in there is going to figure that a Trumpster was just there.


    The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
    "We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

    Hondo68  posted on  2016-05-11   21:52:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #31. To: A K A Stone (#29)

    This is more than about going to the bathroom. It is about forcing us to accept their mental illness as normal and bless it.

    Good point. Have you noticed the recent acceleration of these social changes based on government dogma?

    buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-11   21:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #32. To: buckeroo (#31)

    Good point. Have you noticed the recent acceleration of these social changes based on government dogma?

    Yes since Obama came to office and all the dems flipped in 2 days.

    Sadly some people I support are questionable. I'll admit it.

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   21:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #33. To: A K A Stone, hondo68 (#32)

    Sadly some people I support are questionable. I'll admit it.

    Trump is playing the same game; he is the worst kind of presidential personna; he understands POWER concentrated in his hands. Beware of Trump.

    buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-11   22:07:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #34. To: buckeroo (#33)

    Trump is playing the same game; he is the worst kind of presidential personna; he understands POWER concentrated in his hands. Beware of Trump.

    I think to him it isn't a big issue. He is focussed on other stuff and not pushing the fag agenda like the democrats.

    A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-11   22:09:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #35. To: A K A Stone (#34)

    I think to him it isn't a big issue.

    It is to libertarians. I despise the guy.

    He is focussed on other stuff and not pushing the fag agenda like the democrats.

    Could be, but all politicians that inherit the Whorehouse have lied to us. Wanna wager? If you don't, you admit you can not approach the game of trump or other pretenders. If you do, you admit, politics is all over your head to understand.

    For the life of me I do not understand how or why people associate with political maggots. Trump is one of them.

    buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-11   22:20:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #36. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#35)

    It is to libertarians. I despise the guy.

    I can understand that because Libertarians are hateful people.

    Libertarians are certainly a different breed.

    They may look the same. They may use the same language. They put our pants on one leg at a time… Most of them, anyway.

    Libertarians are very strange and libertarianism does not make any anthropological or historical sense.

    But they certainly have a unique way of thinking though to rationalize to fit their purpose and agenda.

    Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-11   23:02:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #37. To: Gatlin (#36)

    But they certainly have a unique way of thinking though

    It's called a brain. If you had one you'd understand, but never mind.


    The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
    "We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

    Hondo68  posted on  2016-05-11   23:16:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #38. To: Gatlin, Grandisland, yukon (#36)

    Libertarians are certainly a different breed.

    They may look the same. They may use the same language. They put our pants on one leg at a time… Most of them, anyway.

    Libertarians are very strange and libertarianism does not make any anthropological or historical sense.

    But they certainly have a unique way of thinking though to rationalize to fit their purpose and agenda.

    We are different than you, tater or your butt buddies. We don't use government funding ... as you do because you are owed a pile of money because you skinned a tater or two for 20 years on the US government welfare program. Nope, we have self respect.

    buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-11   23:22:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #39. To: buckeroo, GrandIsland (#38)

    ...we have self respect.

    That is all you have … little of it ... and nothing more.

    You libertarians are a strange breed that cannot process information. The blathering of you holier than thou types is so amusing … when you take pride in being opposed to the two major political party system.

    You are a self proclaimed, unprincipled bunch who believes that anyone who does not run under your independent or third party tag lack principles. You erroneously feel that being a Republican is what creates all of our problems … and that everything would be better if everyone would only listen to you and adopt your “perceived” principles.

    Bullshit!

    Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-11   23:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #40. To: Gatlin (#39)

    You are a self proclaimed, unprincipled bunch who believes that anyone who does not run under your independent or third party tag lack principles.

    We are the most principled people on the planet. As an example, I do not lie, cheat or steal. But the pack of WHORES you vote for are the worst vermin on the planet as they plan to lie, cheat and steal my wealth.

    Your pal, Trump, is included in the worst group you would ever vote for. I know "why," you would vote for the vermin, too. You have lost faith in leadership for and about America. Now, you are worried where your worthless paychek is comming from.

    buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-11   23:56:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #41. To: hondo68 (#37)

    But they certainly have a unique way of thinking though

    It's called a brain. If you had one you'd understand, but never mind.

    It would be helpful to understand how the libertarian brain works. Hopefully there will be several studies published that provide insight into the libertarian brain and why you folks with such a brain cannot function in society. It would be nice if a study led to a molecular pathway chart to the creation or maintenance of a libertarian brain. Then we could all no doubt see why your high levels of parochial altruism promotes such frequent conflicts.

    Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-12   0:03:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #42. To: buckeroo (#25)

    The idea that anyone can use a publick toilet is just one of the absurd legal requirements.

    It's trivial.

    Talk about using the other sex's LOCKER ROOM and we have a real issue.

    Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-12   0:15:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #43. To: buckeroo (#40)

    We are the most principled people on the planet.

    That is a false dilemma whose prevalence results partially from the way you libertarians talk about, and argue for, your political views. Your arguments show Libertarianism as a type of worshiping cultish religion … as you churn out annoying flamers and you resemble nothing more that street preachers on the public sidewalk while doing so.

    Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-12   0:21:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #44. To: Gatlin (#43)

    ... as you churn out annoying flamers and you resemble nothing more that street preachers on the public sidewalk while doing so.

    LQQk ,,, you stood with yukon and you probably sucked his dick for all I care; just don't get all emotional in publick about your queerdom. That is your personal problem.

    buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-12   0:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #45. To: buckeroo (#44)

    Your posts are characterized by ignorance and a lack of good breeding or taste. They are lacking in refinement. They are crude, coarse and boorish. They have no distinction or aestheticc nalue … being banal and ordinary.

    Having an intelligent exchange with an open mind has got to be one of the hardest things for you to do. But it can be one of the most rewarding. Try it sometime.

    The Canary Clan is concerned with important matters rather than trivialities and stands for logical reasoning. It is the mission of the Canary Clan to criticize and correct injustice, inhuman cruelty, bigotry, brainwashing, disinformation and obfuscation of truth. We have been told to shut up, but we will never shut up. We will continue to speak out against bullying, cruelty, harassment, hate and abuse.
    You gotta walk that lonesome valley.
    Long live freedom of speech, long live the Canary Clan and God Bless America!

    Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-12   0:52:40 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #46. To: buckeroo (#38)

    Nope, we have self respect.

    Spoken by a lying shitbag that works for a company that profits from draining the government dry of tax collected funds. Then his company pays Ba ba ba ba sucky bucky a paycheck from this government raping accounts receivables... and suckhole Bucky thinks he's different than a cop, firefighter or teacher.

    GFY

    I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

    GrandIsland  posted on  2016-05-12   7:22:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #47. To: Gatlin (#39)

    ...we have self respect.

    That is all you have … little of it ... and nothing more.

    Sucky sucky Bucky doesn't even have that.

    I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

    GrandIsland  posted on  2016-05-12   7:26:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #48. To: GrandIsland, Buckeroo (#46)

    Nope, we have self respect.

    Spoken by a lying shitbag that works for a company that profits from draining the government dry of tax collected funds. Then his company pays Ba ba ba ba sucky bucky a paycheck from this government raping accounts receivables... and suckhole Bucky thinks he's different than a cop, firefighter or teacher.

    Buck has a long history of calling out those who fail to adhere to his flawed libertarian preaching. Despite his counterfeit libertarian bona fides, he isn’t dogmatically averse to government assistance in the business sphere.

    He lays false claim to being a hard working American and editorializes against being a government “parasite” while living off of “government benefits” for decades funneled through the company he works for doing contract work for the government.

    Buck clings to a cluster of flawed principles while spouting empirical generalizations and making incoherent policy recommendations. He completely fails to realize that within the binary choice of Trump or Clinton in 2016, there’s no question that Trump is the best move toward a better and more prosperous future … while there is no third choice of any consequence.

    He continues to serve as a shining example that to be a "libertarian" is a contentious and contemptable issue where even libertarians cannot agree among themselves.

    Buck, you need to look beyond the untried and unproven Libertarianism philosophy for the real meaning of life.

    Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-12   8:22:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #49. To: Gatlin, hondo68, buckeroo (#36)

    But they certainly have a unique way of thinking though to rationalize to fit their purpose and agenda.

    It has already been pointed out to you that you don't possess enough intelligence to understand what libertarianism is, so I won't repeat it.

    However to simplify it for you : Libertarianism in One Sentence

    ...to demonstrate that our ideas are not as crazy as they appear and hopefully make a few moderates take a moment to think, with an open mind, about libertarianism, I have attempted to boil the philosophy down to one sentence, a simple question. While I do not presume to speak for the community as a whole, this is what libertarianism is all about for me on a personal level. The sentence is this:

    Is it right to imprison people, robbing them of their liberty, when they have harmed no one and violated no property rights?

    That’s it. That’s all there is to the philosophy. If you think the answer to that question is “no,” then you are a libertarian. For me, it’s a no-brainer. It is horrific to me to think of people being locked away in a cage who have done no harm to anyone else. Yet we are constantly doing this, or else threatening to do so.

    In addition, you may want to consider this : Other people are not your property

    In other words: They are not yours to boss around. Their lives are not yours to micromanage. The fruits of their labour are not yours to dispose of. It doesn't matter how wise or marvelous or useful it would be for other people to do whatever it is you'd like them to do. It is none of your business whether they wear their seatbelts, worship the right god, have sex with the wrong people, or engage in market transactions that irritate you.

    Their choices are not yours to direct. They are human beings like yourself, your equals under Natural Law. You possess no legitimate authority over them. As long as they do not themselves step over the line and start treating other people as their property, you have no moral basis for initiating violence against them ' nor for authorising anyone else to do so on your behalf. The basic principle of civilised social intercourse was stated in 1646 by Richard Overton

    “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

    In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

    Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
    Paul Craig Roberts

    Deckard  posted on  2016-05-12   8:44:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #50. To: Gatlin, hondo68, buckeroo, Fred Mertz (#45)

    The Canary Clan is concerned with important matters

    It's so hilarious you perceive that the "Canary Clan" moniker is a badge of honor, especially after the shenanigans you assclowns pulled during the yukon debacle.

    “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

    In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

    Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
    Paul Craig Roberts

    Deckard  posted on  2016-05-12   8:47:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #51. To: Gatlin (#45)

    Having an intelligent exchange with an open mind

    That's hilarious coming from a poster who possesses neither intelligence nor an open mind.

    “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

    In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

    Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
    Paul Craig Roberts

    Deckard  posted on  2016-05-12   8:49:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #52. To: Deckard (#50)

    Yes, hilarious is a good word for them.

    Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-05-12   8:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #53. To: buckeroo (#1)

    Ron Paul and his tiny band of ankle biting hobbits were all freakin' kooks. They deserved everything they got. Trump, OTOH, has won fair and square.

    Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

    no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-05-12   8:57:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #54. To: Deckard (#49)

    However to simplify it for you : Libertarianism in One Sentence

    I will characterize libertarians in one sentence:
    Libertarians are not at all serious … they are just a bunch of ideological kooks.

    Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-12   9:08:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #55. To: Deckard (#50)

    The Canary Clan is concerned with important matters rather than trivialities and stands for logical reasoning. It is the mission of the Canary Clan to criticize and correct injustice, inhuman cruelty, bigotry, brainwashing, disinformation and obfuscation of truth. We have been told to shut up, but we will never shut up. We will continue to speak out against bullying, cruelty, harassment, hate and abuse.
    You gotta walk that lonesome valley.
    Long live freedom of speech, long live the Canary Clan and God Bless America!

    Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-12   9:14:25 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #56. To: Deckard (#51)

    That's hilarious ...

    Libertarian philosophy is a hilarious parody. It is completely absurd.

    Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-12   9:20:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #57. To: no gnu taxes, buckeroo (#53)

    They deserved everything they got. Trump, OTOH, has won fair and square.

    How the Republican Party Stole the Nomination from Ron Paul

    If you follow mainstream election coverage, you might think Mitt Romney has coasted to an honest, easy, well-deserved Republican nomination. Unfortunately for Republican voters, nothing could be further from the truth. The primary process has been an all-out slugfest and many of the delegates Romney has won may be the result of dirty tricks and even election fraud.

    The following narrative includes links to reports, first-hand testimonials, and video evidence highlighting actions taken by the GOP to ensure a Romney victory, at the expense of fracturing the party just prior to the general election.

    Party leaders at the county and state level have changed or violated party rules, cancelled caucuses, changed vote counts, thrown out entire counties of votes, counted public votes privately, called-in the SWAT team, and inexplicably replaced Paul delegates with Romney delegates to block Ron Paul from winning the nomination.

    “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

    In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

    Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
    Paul Craig Roberts

    Deckard  posted on  2016-05-12   9:26:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #58. To: Gatlin (#54)

    Libertarians are not at all serious … they are just a bunch of ideological kooks.

    As others here have so astutely pointed out, you don't have the brains to understand anything.

    “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

    In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

    Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
    Paul Craig Roberts

    Deckard  posted on  2016-05-12   9:28:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #59. To: Gatlin (#54)

    I will characterize libertarians in one sentence:

    You never answered the question, ass clown.

    Is it right to imprison people, robbing them of their liberty, when they have harmed no one and violated no property rights?

    “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

    In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

    Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
    Paul Craig Roberts

    Deckard  posted on  2016-05-12   9:47:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #60. To: Deckard (#59)

    Is it right to imprison people, robbing them of their liberty, when they have harmed no one and violated no property rights?

    I will not even consider such a complex question with your controversial presuppositions that has an unspoken and emotive implication.

    Take your loaded question and … SHOVE IT!

    Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-12   10:02:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #61. To: Deckard (#57)

    You Paultard hobbits are laughable. A guy with 5% of the actual vote had the nomination stolen from him? Go back to making strange videos in mom's basement about how more freedoms are needed in middle earth.

    Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

    no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-05-12   10:08:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #62. To: no gnu taxes (#61) (Edited)

    A guy with 5% of the actual vote had the nomination stolen from him?

    You moron, Paul was winning.

    Of course, you are such an establishment tool, you will never understand anything more than "Democrats, BAD - Republicans, GOOD"

    What a simpleton.

    “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

    In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

    Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
    Paul Craig Roberts

    Deckard  posted on  2016-05-12   10:10:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #63. To: Deckard (#58)

    I have a brain. I just don’t need to use it to prevent you from imposing your “right” beliefs on me … when you try to make your subjective beliefs to be the irrefutable, unbiased and singular God given truth.

    You can live in your own world where your individual brain has a unique interpretation of the input it receives. I. however, will not live in that world … objectivity prevents me doing so.

    I refuse to let you, or anyone else, tell me what I should believe or what is right. Your need to be right denotes inflexible and limited thinking.

    By taking a position of being always right, you assume superiority and judge others. You cannot take that position with me.

    Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-12   10:21:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #64. To: Deckard (#50)

    Your badge of honor is that everything with you is hype, noise, desire, desperation, speed and greed.

    You are in a world where you are good at ‘doing nothing’ and anemic at ‘being.’

    But then, don’t feel alone … all Paultards are in the same world with you.

    Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-12   10:28:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #65. To: Deckard (#59)

    I have a better question.

    Why is libertarianism not obviously winning out in either the political marketplace or the marketplace of idas when you contend that libertarianism is so right?

    Since it it not, there must be something seriously deficient in either the libertarian ideas or how you Paultards attempt to sell and implement them.

    Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-12   10:41:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #66. To: Deckard (#62)

    You moron, Paul was winning.

    Winning the hobbit vote on middle earth on your game console?

    Paul had 5% of the vote. You Paultards are delusional.

    Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

    no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-05-12   11:42:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #67. To: Gatlin, hondo68, Fred Mertz (#63) (Edited)

    you assume superiority and judge others.

    Good grief - the blatant hypocrisy is mind boggling, even coming from an arrogant, judgmental, authoritarian jackass like you.

    Physician - heal thyself.

    “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

    In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

    Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
    Paul Craig Roberts

    Deckard  posted on  2016-05-12   12:38:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #68. To: Gatlin (#65)

    I have a better question.

    Still afraid to answer the one I posed, are you?

    What a shock!

    “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

    In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

    Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
    Paul Craig Roberts

    Deckard  posted on  2016-05-12   13:06:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #69. To: Deckard (#68)

    I learned long ago to never answer a loaded question posed by Paultard idiot.

    He will only try to bring me down to his low level and yhen surely beat me with experience.

    Paultards invent situations to craft a question that really have nothing to do with reality.

    When Paultards are not trying to mint their own money, they think like Code Pink and spam the forum all day saying such things as FEMA building concentration camps.

    Paultards are as nutty as a squirrel turd.

    Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-12   13:52:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #70. To: Gatlin (#69) (Edited)

    I learned long ago to never answer a loaded question

    It's a yes or no question - coward.

    However your refusal to answer and knowing your penchant for authoritarianism, it's a safe bet you would answer as a true authoritarian would.

    Paultard idiot.

    Not too original, are you gramps? And weren't you the one bragging about how "smart" you are.

    Frankly I have seen no evidence of any intelligence beyond that of a house pet in all the time I have had the displeasure of reading your childish posts.

    ...they think like Code Pink

    Oh man - seriously? What an idiot. Being anti-war does not make someone a member of Code Pink. BTW, why do you support a government that goes to war on false pretenses? Never mind - I know the answer that that one too.

    It's good for your bottom line what with all the money you likely have invested in MIC stocks.

    Basically you're a war profiteer. You cheer the senseless deaths of Americans who go to war only to enrich the coffers of the banksters. Real classy asshole.

    FEMA building concentration camps.

    Keep telling yourself that they don't exist. We all know that you live in a state of denial.

    “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

    Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
    Paul Craig Roberts

    Deckard  posted on  2016-05-12   14:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #71. To: Deckard (#70)

    Frankly I have seen no evidence ...

    Expectation is like that for some misguided souls. Expectation has proven to be a powerful force on the mind. It will act on perception in the same manner as gravity will act on light. This is to say, bending it in ways that are measurable by scientists … but imperceptible to you. Not only do you tend to see what we expect to see, you will also tend to experience what you expect to experience.

    Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-12   15:00:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #72. To: Deckard (#70) (Edited)

    FEMA building concentration camps.

    Keep telling yourself that they don't exist.

    I will do that because FEMA concentration camps exist only in the minds of a particularly loop bunch of conspiracy theorists.

    There are some videos falsely purporting to show the existence of the camps, including some shots of ominous-looking fences and list of locations of over 800 camps. The CT freaks state they are fully guarded and staffed full-time although they are completely empty.

    The probability of such a massive conspiracy being kept totally silent is astounding. The CT freaks evidence is damaged by the fact that the videos and pictures have been shown to actually be National Guard training centers, Amtrak repair stations and North Korean labor camps.

    The intrinsic implausibility of you CT freaks being able to simply walk up to the sites of heavily-guarded camps that the government wants to keep secret, videotape them, walk away without detention, then disseminate the videos without any consequences, is apparently not considered. But then CT freaks are not too bright … are they?

    You keep telling yourself that FEMA concentration camps exist

    Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-12   15:19:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #73. To: Deckard (#67)

    … arrogant …

    Some people feel threatened by another's confidence and when that happens, perception of arrogance serves as a defense mechanism. I can see that is happening to you.

    Confidence is there during the times when I am at my best, the times when I feel most like myself, and the times when I know everything is going right.

    IOW – Confidence is always there for me.

    Get to know what that feels like, Deckard … and you’ll be good to go.

    Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-12   15:49:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


    #74. To: Gatlin (#41)

    It would be helpful to understand how the libertarian brain works.

    You would never understand as you are a simple potatoe peeler wanting a simple life given a job to peel potatoes and at the end of the day, all you want out of life is to eat your potatoes.

    Libertarians (the small "l") strive for a high level of consciousness far beyond the control of simple potatoe peelers.

    buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-12   20:54:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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