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Title: Fatal accidents involving stoned drivers soared in Washington since pot was legalized
Source: CNN
URL Source: http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/10/news/stoned-driving-fatal-accidents/
Published: May 10, 2016
Author: Chris Isidore
Post Date: 2016-05-10 21:48:36 by Gatlin
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Views: 11022
Comments: 51

Stoned driving can be as serious a problem as drunk driving.

Fatal accidents involving stoned drivers have soared in the state of Washington since marijuana was legalized there, according to a study from the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety. But it's difficult to determine whether a high-on-pot driver is too impaired to drive, according to a separate study from the same group.

Fatal crashes involving drivers who recently used marijuana more than doubled in 2014. Pot was involved in 17% of fatal crashes in Washington in 2014, up from 8% in 2013 -- the year before recreational marijuana was allowed there.

"The significant increase in fatal crashes involving marijuana is alarming," said Peter Kissinger, CEO of the foundation, which funds scientifically rigorous studies for the drivers organization. "Washington serves as an eye-opening case study for what other states may experience with road safety after legalizing the drug."

But coming up with a test to get impaired drivers off the road will be far more difficult than the blood alcohol tests used to test for drunk drivers, according to the group. While tests show the ability to drive gets worse as blood alcohol rises, laboratory studies show the same is not necessarily true with increased levels of THC, the main chemical component in marijuana, in the blood. One driver with high levels of THC might not be impaired, while another driver with very low levels can be impaired.

"There is understandably a strong desire by both lawmakers and the public to create legal limits for marijuana impairment, in the same manner as we do with alcohol," said Marshall Doney, AAA's CEO. "In the case of marijuana, this approach is flawed and not supported by scientific research. It's simply not possible today to determine whether a driver is impaired based solely on the amount of the drug in their body."

The study was criticized by the National Cannabis Industry Association, which pointed to a different study, by the Transportation Department, which found that drivers who drivers who are drunk have a much greater increase in the risk of being in an accident than drivers who used marijuana.

"All this report really shows is that more people in Washington State are likely consuming cannabis, and thus might have some THC in their systems at the time of an accident. But since having THC in your system tells us nothing about your potential impairment, it would be like a report showing how many people involved in accidents had drunk a beer in the last week," said Taylor West, deputy director of the group.

AAA said the key result of the studies are that it's important that drivers be aware that marijuana can greatly impair driving ability.

"Whether the use of marijuana is legal or not, all motorists should avoid driving while impaired," said the group. "Just because a drug is legal does not mean it is safe to use while operating a motor vehicle. Drivers who get behind the wheel while impaired put themselves and others on the road at risk."

Another problem with testing for THC is that it requires a blood test, which can take up to two hours to be administered. That's much longer than the roadside breath tests used to test blood alcohol levels. And THC levels can decline significantly in those two hours, making results suspect.

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#7. To: Gatlin (#0)

Cause and effect?

What if people going to the library were tested? I bet that after legalization, more book readers have presence or traces of THC in their blood. Same with people going to the restaurants. Of course with the exception of Olive Garden and International House of Pancakes.

A Pole  posted on  2016-05-11   5:26:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A Pole (#7)

What if people going to the library were tested? I bet that after legalization, more book readers have presence or traces of THC in their blood. Same with people going to the restaurants.

If they are driving to the library or restaurant stoned, then that can be a serious problem.

"Whether the use of marijuana is legal or not, all motorists should avoid driving while impaired," said the group. "Just because a drug is legal does not mean it is safe to use while operating a motor vehicle. Drivers who get behind the wheel while impaired put themselves and others on the road at risk."

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-11   5:41:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Gatlin (#9)

No scientific basis exists to legitimize current THC testing in place in five states who base their impaired driving standards on THC levels in blood. According to a study from auto club giant AAA’s safety foundation, a blood test threshold for THC — the chemical component of cannabis that makes people ‘high’ — is simply not scientifically possible.

Yet, in five of six states where cannabis is legal, the tests are used to determine whether or not drivers should be considered impaired. Those tests employ a blood level-based judgment similar to that used for determining alcohol impairment. But AAA found such tests for THC are wholly unreliable — sending potentially unimpaired drivers to jail and putting impaired drivers back behind the wheel.

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-11   8:44:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Deckard (#12)

You have a greater chance of having a car crash when you drive after using marijuana. After alcohol, marijuana is the second most common drug found in dead and injured drivers.

Make no mistake about it: driving a motor vehicle while under the influence of drugs — including legal-use marijuana — is illegal in all states.

"Drive High, Get A DUI."

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-11   9:32:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Gatlin (#15)

You have a greater chance of having a car crash when you drive after using marijuana

Study: Weed Smokers are Slower, Safer Drivers

A provider of free online auto insurance quotes says it has conducted a study that concludes marijuana uses are safer drivers.

Manhattan-based 4AutoInsuranceQuote.com says its study “seeks to dispel the thought that ‘driving while stoned’ is dangerous.”

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“What law enforcement agencies and insurers do not understand is that driving while high is actually a safe activity,” says James Shaffer, chief executive officer of the national auto-quote provider, in a statement.

Marijuana users may get into fewer accidents than other drivers, says the study, which looked at data on accidents, traffic violations and insurance prices. The only significant effect of smoking marijuana may be slower driving.

“Marijuana users often say that when they are high, they feel like they are driving 80 mph but actually are only going 30 mph,” says Shaffer. The opposite is true for drunk drivers, he adds. There are less traffic fatalities and fewer accidents in states where medical marijuana use is legal, Shaffer’s company concludes.

“This is what makes alcohol dangerous behind the wheel and marijuana safe,” Shaffer says.

Shaffer says marijuana users could see lower insurance rates if smoking the drug and driving was accepted. In the meantime, he says, “the key to safer driving is to use marijuana, but do it under wraps.”

The study by 4AutoInsuranceQuotes.org references other studies, including one done in 1983 by the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration that found marijuana smokers to be slower drivers, the online quote service says.

Another study by the NHTSA in the Netherlands found marijuana users drove straight. A study in Australia concluded the drug users were more likely to maintain a consistent speed and less likely to pass other vehicles.

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-11   9:45:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Deckard (#17)

Study: Weed Smokers are Slower, Safer Drivers …

However, Marilyn Huestis, who headed the chemistry and drug metabolism section at the National Institute on Drug Abuse said the attitude difference between stoned drivers and alcohol drivers seems clear. Pot smokers, she says, "tend to be more aware they're impaired than alcohol users." Drunk drivers are more aggressive, and high drivers are slower.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-11   11:06:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Gatlin (#21)

Pot smokers, she says, "tend to be more aware they're impaired than alcohol users." Drunk drivers are more aggressive, and high drivers are slower.

So if either of those substances should be banned, it's alcohol.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-05-11   11:42:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: ConservingFreedom (#25)

"So if either of those substances should be banned, it's alcohol."

Hmmmm. Didn't we try that already?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-05-11   12:55:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: misterwhite, ConservingFreedom, tpaine (#27)

So if either of those substances should be banned, it's alcohol."

Hmmmm. Didn't we try that already?

How did that work out BTW?

As I recall, it was a complete and utter failure.

Doing the same thing with drugs has had the same results.

Seems to me there's a lesson to be learned there.

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-11   12:58:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Deckard, ConservingFreedom, (#28)

"As I recall, it (Prohibition) was a complete and utter failure."

Sure was. Why, you'd have to be crazy to propose trying it again.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-05-11   13:39:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: misterwhite (#31) (Edited)

Why, you'd have to be crazy to propose trying it again.

Crazy, huh?

It's exactly what you and the other prohibitionists have endorsed.

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-11   13:52:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#38. To: Deckard (#33)

"It's exactly what you and the other prohibitionists have endorsed."

I have never endorsed bringing back alcohol prohibition. That would be crazy.

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