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Title: Will a Trump presidency really change anything for the better?
Source: Personal Liberty
URL Source: http://personalliberty.com/will-a-t ... hange-anything-for-the-better/
Published: Mar 15, 2016
Author: Brandon Smith
Post Date: 2016-05-06 08:57:21 by Deckard
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Views: 18549
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Trump at campaign rally

I want to start this analysis by stating that I fully understand the whirlwind of public interest in Donald Trump’s campaign. However, for those that don’t get it, let me break it down for you.

A considerable portion of the American population considers themselves “conservative.” More than 38 percent of U.S. citizens, according to Gallup, hold conservative political and social views. Only 24 percent of the public considers themselves “liberal.” Now, I realize that the term “conservative” means different things to different people, so I would apply a simple rule to categorize them — a conservative is easiest to identify by his or her distaste for normally liberal ideological views. Beyond that, different factions of conservatives disagree on a whole host of issues.

The goal of any conservative candidate that hopes to be publicly “popular,” whether he actually intends to follow through with his promises or not, is to appear to be all things to all factions; to avoid alienating one faction to appease another. After he is elected (or, after he is placed in the oval office by the powers that be), he may abandon any care for appeasing any of his constituents. Until then, he plays the game so that Americans can maintain faith in the system for at least one moment every four years.

Trump’s popularity is predicated on the fact that past Republican candidates have done little to make friends with true conservatives and have not sought alliances with the factions of conservatism that have been growing in momentum and power the past two decades. In fact, the Republican candidates presented to the citizenry in recent memory have all had characteristics more akin to liberal Democrats than conservative stalwarts. Mitt Romney, for instance, was essentially a carbon copy of Barack Obama in terms of political policy and voting record, with only slightly greasier complexion and equally mysterious religious background.

Election after election, conservative Americans have been offered one RINO (Republican In Name Only) candidate after another: politicians whose rhetoric sounds principled but whose record is littered with big government policies, constitutional violations, and a disregard for the intentions of the founding fathers. You cannot call yourself a “conservative” in America unless you respect the tenets of limited government, constitutional law, and a regard for the heritage of our founding principles. U.S. conservatives have not had a candidate sharing their views for a long time.

Democrats may finally be experiencing a similar disenchantment with establishment candidates considering the surprising popularity of Bernie Sanders this election. The problem is, democrats are trapped in the big government mindset and are for the most part a lost cause. Their anti-establishment candidate is a self-categorized socialist, after all. The only hope for a constitutional small government candidate and a return our founding principles in politics rests in the hands of Republicans, being that third parties are quashed before they get a chance to put their foot in the door.

So, you have most if not all Democratic candidates working for bigger more powerful government which leads to increased corruption and less liberty. You also have most Republicans working for bigger and more powerful government and less liberty. And you have few, if any, candidates that represent the majority of voters seeking limited constitutional government.

Those of us in the liberty movement call this the “false left/right paradigm. It is the most insidious form of social control present in our nation and it makes a mockery of the election process. That is to say, elections are now nothing more than a way for international financiers and elites to keep the masses in line by allowing them to believe (falsely) that they have a “choice” and thus power to determine the future of our country. In fact, our choice is contrived and we have no political power whatsoever. The rest of America is finally starting to become aware of the false paradigm that liberty proponents have been warning about for generations. Is it any wonder that people are becoming fed up with the system?

The genius of Donald Trump as an election figure is that he has little to no political history. He does not have an extensive legislative or voting record that we can look back on and determine where he stands. His political affiliations have been all over the place with him identifying as a Democrat at one time, Republican at other times, and even independent. Most of us cannot really judge his potential based on this. Hell, I was a registered Democrat early in my life, so how can I hold it against Trump?

Beyond Trump’s rather disturbing past affiliation and friendship with the Clintons, he is otherwise a blank political slate. And as a blank slate, Trump can in fact present himself as all things to all people.

The other ingenious aspect of the Trump campaign is really who he is running against — Hillary Clinton, a liberal candidate even more hated than Barack Obama. A candidate with a potentially serious criminal record and a penchant for an outright communistic world view. Those of us who have been in the writing field for a long time and have dabbled in fiction know that in order to create a fantastic hero, you must first put even more work into creating a fantastic villain. The hero is nothing without the villain.

The outright horror inherent in the prospect of a Hillary Clinton presidency is like adding jet fuel to the Trump campaign.

Donald Trump appears to be the perfect antithesis to Hillary Clinton. He is loud and boisterous and a bit obnoxious. He trash talks and says whatever he wants to the torment of liberals. He stomps on the throats of the political correctness police and doesn’t care if they call him a racist or a sexist or a misogynist. And, Americans love it. They can’t get enough of it.

Conservatives are so tired of cultural Marxism, leftist domination of media, forced immigration policies and the protection of illegal immigration, paying for social entitlement programs, etc., that they are ready to explode. They are, in fact, ready to go to war. I would even dare to say that a Clinton presidency would lead directly to guaranteed outright civil war. This is not an exaggeration.

So, the real question is, is Trump a reflection of the frustration and defiance of the conservative population, or, is he a clever ruse by the establishment to co-opt and placate the conservative population before we rebel?

Again, without much political background to examine, Trump is a mystery. If Trump is a legitimate anti-establishment candidate, then here are some of the actions he would have to pursue in order to prove it:

  1. The complete reversal of every unconstitutional Obama Administration and Bush Administration executive order.
  2. The pursuit of removal of the indefinite detention provisions and secret tribunals contained in the NDAA.
  3. The removal of FISA, and the end of the invasion of privacy and other violations of the 4th Amendment by the NSA against American citizens.
  4. The end of secretive executive powers of assassination, including the assassination of American citizens without trial.
  5. The dismantling of the Department of Homeland Security in light of abuses of constitutional limits.
  6. The complete reversal of Obamacare.
  7. The immediate end to all refugee relocation programs related to the Middle East and Syria.
  8. The true enforcement of illegal immigration laws and border controls.
  9. The encouragement of states to assert their right to protect their borders based on the 10th Amendment.
  10. An immediate call for an independent investigation into the immigration policies of the Obama Administration.
  11. An immediate independent investigation into the Benghazi attacks.
  12. An immediate independent investigation into the ATF’s “Fast and Furious” gun running program.
  13. An immediate independent investigation into the involvement of covert intelligence agencies and the Department of Defense in the funding and training of ISIS.
  14. An immediate call for an independent investigation of corruption within the election process itself, as well as the influence of international banks and corporations in the election process.
  15. The removal of unfair restrictions that prevent third party and independent candidates from participation in public debates.
  16. An immediate call for an investigative audit of the Federal Reserve as well as the pursuit of dismantling the fed and transitioning America back into constitutional sound money creation.
  17. An investigation into U.S. relations with the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, and the Bank of International Settlements with the intention of ending all ties to said organizations if and when criminal conduct is discovered.
  18. An end to the revolving door of banking elites cycling through various cabinet positions within the White House.
  19. An immediate investigation into the influence of international financiers and globalist think tanks like the Council On Foreign Relations and their efforts to destroy the national sovereignty of the U.S.
  20. The end of globalization of U.S. foreign policy and economic policy which has weakened America, and the return to a more independent and self reliant American economic and defense infrastructure.

I’m sure that readers can think of many other potential actions that would help to prove beyond a doubt that Donald Trump is the kind of anti-establishment firebrand he presents himself to be. If Trump does take such measures during his presidency, then he may be a president worth supporting, or even fighting for. If he pursues few or none of these measures, however, we can be relatively certain he is just another establishment puppet playing his part in the false left/right paradigm leading America toward oblivion.

Whatever Trump is, his popularity does indicate a rising tide of discontent within the U.S. The insane circus atmosphere of election 2016 is no coincidence; it is a perfect representation of the overflowing tensions that permeate our culture and are leading to potential earth shattering conflict. Keep in mind that America’s economic situation was already decided back in 2008 and will only become worse as we move into the election season. Whatever tensions we see now will only multiply as financial crisis becomes more apparent to the masses.

The idea that a Trump presidency will change much of anything is a rather farfetched one in my view. Trump’s popularity only suggests that people are seeking alternatives. The damage to America has for the most part already been done, and there will be no avoiding the consequences. That said, how we rebuild can still be determined. No political leader including Trump will ever be able to heal the American system or the American psyche, but the efforts of millions of independent and liberty minded Americans can. We have a long and terrible struggle ahead of us, but to look at it from an “optimistic” perspective, at least Americans are becoming sick of the status quo. That is a start.

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#28. To: rlk (#24)

If a race of people hasn't done anything to advance themselves in 4,000 years, you won't advance them. They're evolutionary throw-backs and genetic inferiors.

They were a highly advanced civilization, in Central Mexico and in the Andes, when the Spanish came.

There was no racial inferiority. It was a lack of resistance to smallpox.

Genetic inferiors and evolutionary throwbacks? I always considered Nazi theory to be boneheaded, and Catholic theory to be superior. My mind has not changed on that matter.

I also see the white race dying out due to its own weaknesses, which are also not genetic but moral choices that don't work out.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-09   6:36:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Deckard (#0)

Will a Trump presidency really change anything for the better?

Will the Paultards really stop crying or making excuses for their SIX PERCENT loser popularity?

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-05-09   6:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: paraclete (#25)

Americans have been poor at empathy for other races, that is true, but we have been spectacularly successful and causing different tribes of warring Europeans, who have still not completely figured it out at home, to lose their ethnic identities and become one people in a generation.

And we've managed to integrate Asians and Latinos into the mix also.

We've done poorly with blacks, but we're getting better at it.

the missing component was the Catholic universalist religious theology to sit atop the E Pluribus Unum national mentality. But that's changing...with immigration!

The Democrats here are the worst because they are secular socialists who really want to wipe out God. And societies that cut themselves off from God effectively cut themselves off at the root and turn into brutal places, or they wither.

The Republicans understand the need to preserve the culture and the economy: America is not big enough or rich enough to take in the whole world. But there are also Republicans who hold Nazi racial theories, who think of other races as genetically inferior - all of the German nonsense of the 20th Century and the black-white nonsense of the American 19th and 20th. Those folks also vote Republican for Border Control, but with very different motivations.

The balancing act is to control the borders to save the economy and jobs, without conceding the moral cultural to the racialists. We do not have a track record of success at that. In general we've only been able to beat the racialists by force (in Germany, and in America), and the problem with that is that then we strip away our ability to argue reasonably for immigration controls to save the economy and the culture - not because ours is racially superior, but simply because ours is ours and it isn't big enough to take everybody else in.

Fix us, and focus our trade efforts at our nextdoor neighbor, and we can fix us and go a long way towards fixing them, and then there's a shot that common Christianity will allow us to integrate much better. Europe managed it...but that took an American conquest.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-09   6:46:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Vicomte13 (#23)

As for myself, I don't personally believe in the Wall. Nor do I think that the answer is immigration restrictions.

Then YOU pay for all the illegal shitbag expenses... don't expect my wallet to be as sympathetic as your bleeding heart is.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-05-09   6:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: GrandIsland (#31)

Then YOU pay for all the illegal shitbag expenses... don't expect my wallet to be as sympathetic as your bleeding heart is.

Don't worry your pretty head. There is no danger of America going down the path I would like to see.

I'll be content to see Trump get back in command of the situation, without handing the country over to the Neo-Confederates.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-09   9:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: GrandIsland (#29)

Will a Trump presidency really change anything for the better?

Meet the new boss - same as the old boss.

Trump Picks Former Goldman Partner And Soros Employee As Finance Chairman

Did Donald Trump Just Go Full Establishment?

After digging a little deeper, it turns out Mnuchin has an even more surprising former employer: none other than democratic political financier, billionaire, and Hillary Clinton donor George Soros.

“In addition to Goldman, Mnuchin also worked at Soros Fund Management, whose founder, George Soros, has funded many left-leaning causes. Where it gets even more bizarre is that Mnuchin has donated frequently to Democrats, including to Clinton and Barack Obama.”

Making matters even worse, it turns out that Mnuchin profited handsomely from the 2009 Wall Street bailouts. According to Mother Jones, after buying the bailed out IndyMac Bank for pennies on the dollar, “Mnuchin and his partners, who named their new bank OneWest, ended up doing spectacularly well. They parlayed their $1.55 billion investment into a $3.4 billion payday.” He was able to do this because taxpayers took on all the risks of the bank’s bad assets, costing taxpayers an estimated $13 billion in losses. All the while, the bank continued to foreclose on homeowners who were no longer able to make mortgage payments.

These developments come only a few days after Trump’s former opponents, Ted Cruz and John Kasich, dropped out of the race — all but guaranteeing Donald the nomination.

Trump also recently announced he will forgo the “self-funding” he has relied on so far in the primary, promising to raise $1 billion from supporters in conjunction with the Republican party in preparation for the general election.

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Further, Trump has begun to surround himself with neocon Republican establishment icons. As Dan Sanchez explains:

“Trump’s circle now includes such mainstream warmongers as Rudolph Giuliani, Chris Christie, Richard Haass (current president of the Council on Foreign Relations), and Senator Jeff Sessions. Trump has even identified John Bolton, an Iraq War architect and close ally of the neocons, as a ‘go to’ expert for advice on national security.”

It appears Donald Trump’s days as an anti-establishment outsider have come to a close now that he’s gearing up for the general election (most likely) against Hillary Clinton — another politician with ties to Goldman Sachs. It appears that regardless of who winds up winning the presidency in 2016, Goldman Sachs will remain the unbeatable incumbent.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

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Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
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Deckard  posted on  2016-05-09   9:21:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Deckard (#33)

Shut your OWS pie hole.

Oh... and stick your Black Lives Matter billshit up your Jane Fonda ass too.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-05-09   20:24:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Vicomte13 (#28)

They were a highly advanced civilization

How much did they accomplish in testimony to that assertion?

rlk  posted on  2016-05-10   1:25:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: rlk (#35)

How much did they accomplish in testimony to that assertion?

More than the Egyptians. Great cities, great irrigation, a rich variety of crops, a paved highway system 1000 miles long in the Andes, pyramids.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-10   8:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Vicomte13 (#36)

How much did they accomplish in testimony to that assertion?

More than the Egyptians. Great cities, great irrigation, a rich variety of crops, a paved highway system 1000 miles long in the Andes, pyramids.

Good heavens, a bustling metropolis from the middle of Mexico Southward. Complete with pyramids. Who'd have thunk it without having you to describe it for them?

rlk  posted on  2016-05-10   21:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: GrandIsland (#34)

Shut your OWS pie hole.

Oh... and stick your Black Lives Matter billshit up your Jane Fonda ass too.

He isn't OWS or Black lives matter.

You two have more in common then you think. In my opinion.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-10   21:50:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: rlk (#37)

Good heavens, a bustling metropolis from the middle of Mexico Southward. Complete with pyramids. Who'd have thunk it without having you to describe it for them?

No. Three separate empires, all hydraulic and urban: Inca, Mayan and Aztec. They were destroyed by smallpox.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-10   22:07:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: rlk (#37)

But seriously, why go here? The White Race is dying out. Contraception, abortion, the loss of reason and faith, are killing it.

It has to die out if it won't stop contracepting itself to oblivion. White Americans are not going to be able to wall off an empty shell of a country full of octogenarians. The culture must change.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-10   22:09:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Vicomte13 (#40)

But seriously, why go here? The White Race is dying out.

No it isn't.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-10   22:12:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone (#41)

No it isn't.

Yes it is. Look at the fertility rates of whites in every country in the world. Well below replacement. The race is dying out, and nature abhors a vacuum.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-10   22:22:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Vicomte13 (#42)

Yes it is.

No it isn't. That's nonsense.

When are you predicting the white race will disappear?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-05-10   22:24:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A K A Stone (#43)

When are you predicting the white race will disappear?

It won't disappear completely. It will be the minority in Europe by 2060. It will be the minority in North America by 2100. Unless we stop contracepting away our future.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-10   22:27:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: paraclete, rlk (#27)

Firstly Australia is the size of the continental US.

Secondly, it has a population of 24 Million or about 7.5% of the U.S. population of 320 Million.

About 90% of its land mass is termed uninhabitable.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-05-11   0:58:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: nolu chan (#45)

About 90% of its land mass is termed uninhabitable.

Only by those who don't live there, people live all over this continent as they have done for 50,000 years, but most prefer to live in larger population centres. The reason for this is the availablility of surface water. Your continent has been inhabited by europeans for five hundred years, ours for two hundred, in that time we have built the 16th largest economy in the world, imagine what we would have if we had your population. Never look down on something because it is smaller than you

paraclete  posted on  2016-05-11   8:59:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: paraclete (#46)

Only by those who don't live there, people live all over this continent as they have done for 50,000 years, but most prefer to live in larger population centres.

It cannot support any appreciable population density. It is a desert.

imagine what we would have if we had your population.

That would be starvation on a massive scale. The land will not support such a population.

I do not look down on Australia. It is just a fact that it cannot be compared to the U.S. in terms of population, or the inherent ability to support a large population.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-05-11   12:13:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: paraclete (#46)

but most prefer to live in larger population centres. The reason for this is the availablility of surface water.

Maybe that's because without the availability of surface water, it is impossible to sustain life?

The US west often has serious water problems because it is just too dry too support the population it has. They have found ways to divert water to support the population, but it is a never ending problem. The Australian desert is in the center of the damn country. There is no water to divert -- no major rivers like the Colorado. People who live in the Austalian desert are struggling to live every day.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-05-11   15:41:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: no gnu taxes, paraclete (#48)

There is no water to divert -- no major rivers like the Colorado. People who live in the Australian desert are struggling to live every day.

One wonders why folks like these around the globe choose, save for harsh religious reasons, to stay put for generations instead of heading for greener pastures (pun intended). It seems almost a given that if you find yourself and your kids living somewhere where water, food, the basic necessities of life are in short, if not desperate, supply you would move to someplace more accommodating. Obviously I didn't get the memo explaining why people like these don't.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2016-05-11   16:07:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: SOSO (#49)

One wonders why folks like these around the globe choose, save for harsh religious reasons, to stay put for generations instead of heading for greener pastures (pun intended).

You can live, but you have to be accustomed to living a nomadic lifestyle. You have to be willing to live that kind of life, and be willing to have no roots at all. You certainly can't build a city and sit back and watch cable TV every day in these kinds of conditions. If this is the only existence you have ever known, then that is the way you live. These days, there are few people like that.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-05-11   16:53:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: no gnu taxes (#50)

If this is the only existence you have ever known, then that is the way you live.

If that were true the Indians will still be the only folks in North America and certainly no-one would be driving, much less flying, and, medical practitioners would still be using leeches and bleeding folks or even voodoo. There is more to the answer that what you expressed.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2016-05-11   17:00:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: nolu chan (#47) (Edited)

It cannot support any appreciable population density. It is a desert.

That would be starvation on a massive scale. The land will not support such a population.

Only certain parts of it are desert, we are not talking about the Sahara. There are three main deserts aside from that there is habitation and the country supports millions of sheep and cattle and a million camels and horses. 2/3 of the land is given over to agriculture. If we were to turn the northern rivers inland it would be as furtile as america.

As to starvation, we merely have to turn exports to internal consumption

The land is furtile and we grow wheat crops on six inches of rain. Your words show only superficial understanding and a great deal of misinformation, we export large quantities of food to the world, our cattle herd supplies meat to Indonesia a large country, as well as many others. Our cattle herd is about a 1/3 of that in the US

This might give you great understanding and dispell the myths https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia http://www.australia.gov.au/about- australia/australian-story/austn-farming-and- agriculture

paraclete  posted on  2016-05-11   17:50:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: SOSO (#51)

If that were true the Indians will still be the only folks in North America

The white man built dams, built irrigation canals, and designed reservoirs and made an arid region livable.

The injuns just hunted and gathered and moved around and scalped each other.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-05-11   17:57:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: SOSO (#49)

There is no water to divert -- no major rivers like the Colorado. People who live in the Australian desert are struggling to live every day.

few people live in the Australian desert, there are large rivers in the north that could be diverted but the arid lands is no more than 1/3 of the land. People think of a desert as a place where nothing grows, this is not typical of Australia. You should think of this continent as like a doughnut. People live in arid conditions all over the world, those who live with abundant water think of that as the norm but actually it isn't, some are blessed with vast rivers and lakes but most are not. You look at this continent and you don't see surface water, but many rivers flow underground through alluvial sands. The amount of water people actually need is small, most water is used in agriculture and industry and is wasted

paraclete  posted on  2016-05-11   18:11:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: no gnu taxes (#53)

If that were true the Indians will still be the only folks in North America

The white man built dams, built irrigation canals, and designed reservoirs and made an arid region livable.

The injuns just hunted and gathered and moved around and scalped each other.

This is totally non-responsive to my post.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2016-05-11   18:20:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: A K A Stone (#38)

You two have more in common then you think. In my opinion.

Deckard is considerably more liberal than me. He also has a skewed liberal view on personal responsibility.

If someone could brainwash constitutional rights into Jane Fonda's brain... only adding that idiology to her already exsisting mindset... you'd have a Deckard.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-05-11   18:23:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: paraclete (#54)

People think of a desert as a place where nothing grows,

I am not among that great unwashed mass of people. Usually a desert is very fertile and will support the growth of a wide variety of plants and veggies IF their is enough water to be had.

But this still doesn't explain why people choose to continue to live in a just barely sustenance type of existence for generations. Usually when water resources dry up native peoples move or at least attempt to.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2016-05-11   18:25:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: paraclete (#54)

most water is used in agriculture and industry and is wasted

Do you realize how ridiculous that statement is? Water used in agriculture and industry is what makes modern life possible.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-05-11   18:26:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: GrandIsland (#34) (Edited)

Shut your OWS pie hole.

Apparently you think it's a "liberal" trait to point out that Trump is teaming up with a guy who worked for Hillary Clinton donor George Soros.

And the fact that he is surrounding himself with neocon Republican establishment icons and mainstream warmongers like Rudolph Giuliani, Chris Christie, Richard Haass (current president of the Council on Foreign Relations) doesn't seem to bother you either.

Your "boy" is a bought and paid for stooge.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-11   19:13:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: A K A Stone (#38)

You two have more in common then you think.

I got nothing in common with that fascist prick.

Other than the fact that we both think Budweiser sucks.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-11   19:15:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: GrandIsland (#56)

I think you're being too generous with your characterization.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-11   19:31:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Gatlin (#61)

Right, because pointing out Trump's globalist backers and neocon establishment warmonger "advisers" is a "liberal" thing to do.

You Trumpettes are a real hoot.

Trump is an establishment whore.

Just like Hillary.

But, you say - he's OUR establishment whore, right guys?

Hilarious.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2016-05-11   19:38:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: GrandIsland, Deckard, Gatlin, sneakypete, delegates staying home (#29)

With Trump as nominee, delegate spots lose appeal for Republicans

In South Carolina, which also selected delegates the weekend after Trump's win, the mood at the state convention was described as somber. "The SCGOP convention feels like a wake. Only 57% turnout, even after alternates were seated. Feel the excitement for November," an adviser to former candidate Ohio Gov. John Kasich, Andrew Boucher, tweeted. A state party source confirmed that attendance was just over 50% of what was expected.

There might be a few Trump delegates over there in the corner?

Most people are staying home and watching re-runs of the libertarian and third party debates. Trump might not make it to 1237, unless more people show up in Cleveland.

Low energy Donald has an enthusiasm gap.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2016-05-11   19:55:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: hondo68 (#63)

Trump might not make it to 1237, unless more people show up in Cleveland.

OMG. The sky is falling.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-05-11   20:05:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: no gnu taxes (#58)

Do you realize how ridiculous that statement is? Water used in agriculture and industry is what makes modern life possible.

You don't know how rediculous your statement actually is. there are huge areas of cotton irrigated by scarce water resources, complete waste and enough water that the government could buy back vast riparian rights without affecting production. There are vast areas under irrigated rice production which is primarly for export. Do you have any idea how much water is used in a thermal coal fired power station? as to making modern life possible, it is entirely possible that much of that effort is a waste. Mining uses vast amounts of water, to do what? to wash the product rather than refining it by other means. If you are aware of many processes you would know it is possible to reclaim the water but this isn't done

paraclete  posted on  2016-05-11   20:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Deckard (#62)

... neocon establishment warmonger "advisers" ...

Trump’s advisers inclusd a Christian academic accused of inciting violence against Muslims. A former Pentagon official who blocked investigations into Bush administration bigwigs. And an assortment of self-professed experts probably few in established foreign policy circles have ever heard of. These are the minds advising Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on foreign policy and national security.

Keith Kellogg, Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, Walid Phares, and Joseph E. Schmitz are names will NOT register with most voters, or many experts in Washington. None of them are especially sought after for foreign policy views and national security expertise in the nation’s capital—which may be why they’re attractive to Trump.

Where are the “neocon establishment warmonger advisers” of which you speak?

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-11   21:12:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: paraclete (#65)

I'm not sure what your point is. Water is reclaimed constantly. The water you flush down the toilet is reclaimed the next time you drink from the faucet.

Water is used in EVERY industrial process. There are floods and droughts and over abundances and lack of water always. So if you are suggesting some ideal society, I'd like to hear what you think it is.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-05-11   21:18:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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