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Title: If Trump is nominated, the GOP must keep him out of the White House (George Will comes unhinged)
Source: WP
URL Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin ... 6-8ab8-9ad050f76d7d_story.html
Published: Apr 30, 2016
Author: By George F. Will
Post Date: 2016-04-30 09:25:39 by no gnu taxes
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Donald Trump’s damage to the Republican Party, although already extensive, has barely begun. Republican quislings will multiply, slinking into support of the most anti-conservative presidential aspirant in their party’s history. These collaborationists will render themselves ineligible to participate in the party’s reconstruction.

Ted Cruz’s announcement of his preferred running mate has enhanced the nomination process by giving voters pertinent information. They already know the only important thing about Trump’s choice: His running mate will be unqualified for high office because he or she will think Trump is qualified.

Hillary Clinton’s optimal running mate might be Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio, a pro-labor populist whose selection would be balm for the bruised feelings of Bernie Sanders’s legions. Running mates rarely matter as electoral factors: In 2000, Al Gore got 43.2 percent of the North Carolina vote. In 2004, John Kerry, trying to improve upon Gore’s total there, ran with North Carolina Sen. John Edwards but received 43.6 percent. If, however, Brown were to help deliver Ohio for Clinton, the Republican path to 270 electoral votes would be narrower than a needle’s eye.

Republican voters, particularly in Indiana and California, can, by supporting Cruz, make the Republican convention a deliberative body rather than one that merely ratifies decisions made elsewhere, some of them six months earlier. A convention’s sovereign duty is to choose a plausible nominee who has a reasonable chance to win, not to passively affirm the will of a mere plurality of voters recorded episodically in a protracted process.

Trump would be the most unpopular nominee ever, unable to even come close to Mitt Romney’s insufficient support among women, minorities and young people. In losing disastrously, Trump probably would create down-ballot carnage sufficient to end even Republican control of the House. Ticket splitting is becoming rare in polarized America: In 2012, only 5.7 percent of voters supported a presidential candidate and a congressional candidate of opposite parties.

At least half a dozen Republican senators seeking reelection and Senate aspirants can hope to win if the person at the top of the Republican ticket loses their state by, say, only four points, but not if he loses by 10. A Democratic Senate probably would guarantee a Supreme Court with a liberal cast for a generation. If Clinton is inaugurated next Jan. 20, Merrick Garland probably will already be on the court — confirmed in a lame-duck Senate session — and Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Anthony M. Kennedy and Stephen G. Breyer will be 83, 80 and 78, respectively.

he minority of people who pay close attention to politics includes those who define an ideal political outcome and pursue it, and those who focus on the worst possible outcome and strive to avoid it. The former experience the excitements of utopianism, the latter settle for prudence’s mild pleasure of avoiding disappointed dreams. Both sensibilities have their uses, but this is a time for prudence, which demands the prevention of a Trump presidency.

Were he to be nominated, conservatives would have two tasks. One would be to help him lose 50 states — condign punishment for his comprehensive disdain for conservative essentials, including the manners and grace that should lubricate the nation’s civic life. Second, conservatives can try to save from the anti-Trump undertow as many senators, representatives, governors and state legislators as possible.

It was 32 years after Jimmy Carter won 50.1 percent in 1976 that a Democrat won half the popular vote. Barack Obama won only 52.9 percent and then 51.1 percent, but only three Democrats — Andrew Jackson (twice), Franklin Roosevelt (four times) and Lyndon Johnson — have won more than 53 percent. Trump probably would make Clinton the fourth, and he would be a tonic for her party, undoing the extraordinary damage (13 Senate seats, 69 House seats, 11 governorships, 913 state legislative seats) Obama has done.

If Trump is nominated, Republicans working to purge him and his manner from public life will reap the considerable satisfaction of preserving the identity of their 162-year-old party while working to see that they forgo only four years of the enjoyment of executive power. Six times since 1945 a party has tried, and five times failed, to secure a third consecutive presidential term. The one success — the Republicans’ 1988 election of George H.W. Bush — produced a one-term president. If Clinton gives her party its first 12 consecutive White House years since 1945, Republicans can help Nebraska Sen. Ben Sasse, or someone else who has honorably recoiled from Trump, confine her to a single term.

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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

"Republicans ... will reap the considerable satisfaction of preserving the identity of their 162-year-old party"

Yeah. That's all we'll reap. Again.

And what exactly is this "identity" Republicans are expected to preserve? Seems to me Republicans have the reputation of being the party of the rich, cold and heartless to the poor, racist, homophobic and anti-woman. We want to preserve that?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-04-30   9:35:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: misterwhite (#1)

Seems to me Republicans have the reputation of being the party of the rich, cold and heartless to the poor, racist, homophobic and anti-woman.

To this, we need to add two more charges:

(1) The Republicans created the current military disaster through incompetence.

(2) The Republicans preside over deregulation, a period of wild run-up, and then economic calamity - the Roaring Twenties followed by the Great Depression, the Reagan 80s followed by the S&L blowup and the crash of 1987, and the Bush tax cuts and housing bubble followed by the Great Recession. In all three cases, the Republicans tore down regulations and had a great big boom, followed by a bust, and then were flatfooted and hapless in dealing with it. In all three cases, a Democrat took over afterwards and cleaned up the mess - FDR after Hoover, Clinton after HW Bush, and Obama after W.

Obama has not been nearly as effective as either FDR or Clinton, which is why the Democrats are so weak. Still, the Republicans are the ones who have created disaster over and over again by foolish economic and regulatory policies. And everybody knows it except Republicans.

So, they're the party of rich, poor-hating, racist, homophobic, misogynistic, military and economic incompetents. Who, by the way, gave us Roe v. Wade.

Really, they should just go hang themselves.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-30   10:08:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

he Roaring Twenties followed by the Great Depression

Hoover actually started the economic reforms that Roosevelt expanded.

Bush tax cuts and housing bubble followed by the Great Recession. In all three cases, the Republicans tore down regulations

Clinton is the one who started Wall Street deregulation. And it was the Democrats who pursued the CRA which was at the heart of financial crisis. It is quite a stretch to say tax cuts caused a recession.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-04-30   10:19:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: no gnu taxes (#7)

Hoover actually started the economic reforms that Roosevelt expanded.

Don't fall for the propaganda.

The fact is that the Republicans had already had plenary power the entire nine years leading up to the Great Depression. They controlled the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court throughout the 1920a. They had the White House under Harding, then Coolidge, then Hoover. The Crash of 1929 happened in the first year of Hoover's Presidency. He had four full years,

There was no "shared responsibility" for the unregulated wild growth of the 1920s. The Republicans owned it. And when the crash came in 1920, the Republicans STILL owned it. The Democrats didn't get control until 1933.

The crash happened in 1939, and Hoover did not leave office until 1933. The full government was in Republican control during the Crash and for the next four years, and they followed their philosophy, which was to do very little.

The New Deal was FDR's invention, not the Republicans. They resisted him with fang and claw. For the first year, the Republican Supreme Court blocked every major FDR reform. It is not true that the Republicans put everything in place that FDR did and he just got the credit. That is a Republican lie that developed over the ages to try to cover the fact that the Republicans were totally wrong about every aspect of economics in the 1920s. They made things wide open, and when i blew up, their response was wooden-headed and did not address the suffering of the people, and did not address the immediate needs for jobs and income. They simply didn't do it.

FDR was elected, the New Deal was SWEEPING reform that the Republicans fought to the death. The Supreme Court blocked it until FDR moved to pack the Supreme Court, then they made their "switch in time that saved nine".

And then the Republicans were dead wrong about the rise of Hitler and the dangers of the Axis. They opposed American engagement in "European wars" while Hitler gobbled up the Western democracies. It wasn't FDR who held back, it was the Republican Party, four-square. They resisted tooth and nail until Pearl Harbor, and then Congress only declared war on Japan, not the Axis. Fortunately, Hitler declared war on the US. Had he not, the US would have very probably just focused on Japan.

The problem for Republicans is the same problem that Democrats have looking back to the 19th Century. They were the party of slavery, of the KKK, of Jim Crow and segregation. They had to remake themselves to get the black vote, and they did so through social welfare benefits.

The GOP's problem is that their economics lead to the Depression, and deepened it - the economic numbers for family disposable income and housing values did not begin to rise again until the end of 1934, AFTER FDR had forced the Supreme Court to back down and stop blocking him. The end of the Great Depression and the victory in World War II were Democratic Party achievements. The GOP gave us the Great Depression, and were military isolationists as Hitler and Tojo devoured the world.

I've heard GOP apologists try to shift the blame for the Depression to the Democrats, but that's stupid: the Republicans owned the government and the financial industry for the entire DECADE. I've heard them try to shift credit for the recovery to Hoover's Administration, or, if they know the facts better (or are dealing with an audience that does) state that nothing got better until World War II, which is patently untrue.

The problem with Republican self-deception on this matter is that nobody but Republicans buys their bullshit on the matter - but Republicans DO buy their own bullshit. So they never learn anything from the Depression. Instead, they have deregulated and then crashed the economy TWICE MORE SINCE, at the end of Reagan's term, and in W's term.

The pattern has been Republicans follow their weird combination of laissez-faire, caveat emptor and crony capitalism, the economy blows a huge bubble, the cronies get super rich, and then everything explodes and slides into the sewer, the Republicans dither and things get worse, then a Democrat is elected to come in and fix it.

I've seen it twice in my lifetime, and earlier generations saw it happen in World War II also.

The really effective Republican Presidents: Ike, Nixon, Ford and Reagan accepted the verdict of the New Deal and did not seek to throw out things like Social Security. They also understood that the US could not militarily ignore the threat of Communism (of course Truman and JFK and LBJ also knew that).

With Reagan, cranky 1920's economic regulatory ideas came back in vogue, and since then the Republican Party has become a caricature on economic matters. Unfortunately, with the end of the Cold War and the successful reconstruction of German and Japanese governments, Republicans have also become exaggerated in their aspirations for "nation building".

In any case, no, Republican policies under Hoover did not turn around the Great Depression. That's false and the numbers show it. FDR's New Deal is what turned it around. Which is why Reagan, who lived through the era, never renounced the New Deal.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-30   11:47:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#9)

FDR's New Deal is what turned it around.

Actually It did not. That the new Deal turned around the Depression IS the propaganda. The economy never never recovered much in the 1930s and was in serious decline by 1940.

If anything the GOP did brought about the Depression, it was regulation, not deregulation. Hoover's protectionist Smoot-Hawley destabilized banks and vastly reduced imports and led to decimation of the US economy.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-04-30   11:55:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: no gnu taxes (#11)

Actually, it did not. That the new Deal turned around the Depression IS the propaganda. The economy never ever recovered much in the 1930s and was in serious decline by 1940.

Not true. The usual statistic used to "prove" this assertion is stock market performance. But very few people were in the stock market back then. Certainly the speculative and rich class who got hit in 1929 didn't recover their lost capital for over a decade. And given that the Republicans are the party of the rich - and have been since Ulysses S. Grant's utterly corrupt administration changed the Republicans from being a preserve-the-Union/abolitionist alliance into primarily a vehicle for crony capitalist stockjobbing.

Two much better statistics for the overall economic health of the general public, which is to say the VOTERS, demonstrates very clearly the change in direction that came with FDR.

These are the statistics for two key numbers: per capta disposable income, and average housing prices, per year, starting in 1930.

The Crash happened in 1929, the first year of Hoover's Presidency. Hoover left the Presidency in January 1933.

Here are the numbers:

1930 (Hoover) disposable income per capita ("I"): $6411; Housing price ("H"): $6016

1931 (Hoover): I $6145 (decline); H $5600 (decline)

1932 (Hoover): I $5806 (decline); H: $5022 (decline)

1933 (Hoover out, FDR in; Supreme Court blocks New Deal) I $5122 (decline); H $4830 (decline)

1934 (FDR; Supreme Court allows New Deal to proceed): I $5570 (increase); H $4971 (increase)

1935 (FDR): I $6080 (increase); H $5456 (increase)

1936 (FDR) $6802 (increase, 1930 level exceeded); H $5632 (increase)

1937 (FDR begins second term) $6990 (increase); H $5776 (increase).

Pause for a moment and look at those numbers. Every year full year of Hoover following the late 1929 crash, and during the first year of FDR, when the Republican Supreme Court blocked the New Deal, the per capital income disposable income declined and the value of housing declined. But from the year that the New Deal came into force and every single year thereafter until World War II began in 1938 (with the Japanese invasion of China, the Spanish Civil War, the Anschluss and the occupation of Czechoslovakia, per capital income and housing values increased. By 1936, two years into the New Deal, the Hoover per capita income had been topped.

It took a dip in 1938, back to $6556 (still well above the Hoover numbers), as world instability rose to the level of wars in Europe and Asia, but then it continued to increase every year after that: 1939: $7046, 1940: $7164. 1941: $8558.

Contrary to the Republican myth, the economy was not in serious decline by 1940. Sure, the vehicles by which the rich got richer and ran away from the rest had not recovered - and Republicans can always be relied upon to focus on the rich and ignore the rest of the people.

But THESE metrics are the ones that affected the people at large, and by 1940, thanks to the rise in disposable income that began only with the New Deal, the average American had TWICE as much available to him as he did in 1930.

America did not enter World War II until the very end of 1941. You know, Americans lived through the 1930s, and they voted and kept voting for years afterwards. They remembered Hoover, and FDR and the New Deal. They lived it. They saw what happened to their incomes, and that generation voted crushingly for the New Deal right through Reagan. Reagan never repudiated the New Deal. No average American who lived through it would, because they knew.

Republicans have the problem of having been flat out wrong about both the economy AND national defense and foreign policy in the Depression and World War II era. That is why they were crushed. FDR's New Deal worked, and his war strategy made us victorious. The facts are the facts, and I've presented them to you above. That is what America experienced, and that is WHY FDR was popular, and REMAINED so. People REMEMBER how the New Deal made things better.

The Republicans redeemed themselves on foreign policy with Nixon and then Reagan. This was at the same time that the McGovern kook fringe took over the Democrats.

Economically, Ike, Nixon and Ford understood the lesson of the Depression. Reagan, who was a New Dealer FDR supporter, did not repudiate things like Social Security and unemployment, but deregulated savings and loans, and cut taxes so deeply that the deficit exploded. W Bush did the same thing.

The Depression Era generation is very old now, and mostly gone. People do not remember directly anymore. And in this environment of ignorance, Republicans have been able to put out propaganda that pretends that the New Deal was bad and did nothing.

The numbers put the lie to that. It's just not true that the New Deal did nothing. Per capita income marched back up and housing values improved consistently.

The economy improved dramatically for most people. That the rich did not start getting richer again until the war contracts is true, but that this meant the economy didn't improve for all of those years of the New Deal is false. If that were true, FDR would not have been as popular as he was and remained.

Now that we've seen the income and housing price numbers, we cannot deny what happened, and if we don't want to keep on crashing the economy as Republicans did at the end of the 20's, and against at the end of Reagan, and again at the end of W Bush, we could learn something here.

But we won't learn anything if we lie to ourselves about what happened. I've provided the data to make it clear that the average American saw a marked and steady improvement in his life from the New Deal. The lot of the average man did not rot from 1929 to 1942. It got worse and worse until the Republicans got out of the way with Hoover's departure, and the Supreme Court got out of the way of the New Deal, and then it steadily got better. That's just the truth. The New Deal worked. It did NOT improve the stock market. And it wasn't meant to.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-30   17:46:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Vicomte13 (#16)

The New Deal

Unemployment never got below 10%. The artificial increase in the minimum wage stagnated the economy. There were a number of other problems. But I don't want to get into a long discussion on something happened on what's now going on 100 years ago.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-04-30   19:28:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: no gnu taxes (#18)

The artificial increase in the minimum wage stagnated the economy.

It stabilized the economy by preventing mass homelessness, mass starvation and a revolution.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-30   23:07:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Vicomte13 (#20)

The artificial increase in the minimum wage stagnated the economy.

It stabilized the economy by preventing mass homelessness, mass starvation and a revolution.

it kept the unemployment rate from ever falling below 14%.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-05-01   8:17:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: no gnu taxes (#23)

it kept the unemployment rate from ever falling below 14%.

And it kept the starvation rate from reaching 1%.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-05-01   8:48:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Vicomte13 (#25)

it kept the unemployment rate from ever falling below 14%.

And it kept the starvation rate from reaching 1%.

Maybe somebody should have asked the 14% who were still unemployed.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-05-01   9:17:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: no gnu taxes (#28)

Maybe somebody should have asked the 14% who were still unemployed.

They have been irrelevant by the the five page long verbose irrelevant arguments appearing here.

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