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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In United States News See other United States News Articles Title: Trump Shows What a Freak and Faggot Lover he Really is Source: [None] URL Source: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence ... th-carolina-bathroom-bill.html Published: Apr 21, 2016 Author: Eric Levitz Post Date: 2016-04-21 13:12:29 by no gnu taxes Keywords: None Views: 13212 Comments: 81 Donald Trump says transgender people should be able to "use the bathroom that they feel is appropriate." On NBC's Today show Thursday morning, the GOP front-runner said he opposes North Carolina's "very strong" bathroom bill, which allows businesses to prohibit transgender people from doing just that. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-25) not displayed.       .       .       . #26. To: sneakypete (#25) Perot was paid off to leave EDS. General Motors just wanted the fool to shut the fuck up after they bought EDS. I worked there for about a year in the late 80s. EDS had pamphlets about the history of the company and they purposely omitted any mention of Perot's name. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-04-21   18:18:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: VxH (#24) Yuri Bezmenov, the next phase following Demoralization is Destabilization. Think we are already deep into that phase. The insurgency has been ongoing too. redleghunter  posted on  2016-04-21   18:29:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: redleghunter, sneakyPete, AKA Stone (#9) He is just demonstrating some good old NY values "If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato tomder55  posted on  2016-04-21   19:13:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: Stoner (#1) As I stated earlier, this will cost Trump some support. How much is yet to be seen. For every person that doesn't vote for Trump based on this issue alone... there will be TWO that vote for him for supporting this. The posters of this forum seem to forget what a vile dysfunctional LEFT society we live in. I don't like this at all... But if the Donald can starve a few billion addicted welfare rats... I'll put up with faggots shitting in the girls room. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح GrandIsland  posted on  2016-04-21   19:21:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: tomder55 (#28) He is just demonstrating some good old NY values Not good. I'm not as much of a blind cheerleader as vic. A K A Stone  posted on  2016-04-21   20:23:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: Stoner (#18) have had it with him. He has lost the votes of myself, and my whole family. We will most likely support the Constitution Party. He better hope he picks up a lot of votes from all the perverts, to overcome all the votes he lost. We are done with him!! We all must make our own choices. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-21   22:10:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: no gnu taxes (#20) We're talking about a toilet, that's all. If people are willing to hand over the country to the Mexicans for good because of hysterical prudery, then fine: we get the government we deserve. Oh, and Hillary will let people piss in either john too. You have to pick your battles, and they have to be worth fighting. This is just stupid. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-21   22:13:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: Vicomte13 (#32) This is just stupid. I agree. A non-issue magnified by endless media programming. You ever been to Germany? Cleaning lady would come into the men's room to earn her paycheck. We went about our bidness without batting an eye. Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-04-21   22:18:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: Fred Mertz (#33) Germany and France. Tits on the beach. No need to pass laws to force businesses and governments to let women breast feed. No really enforced drinking ages. None of the prudish insanity that substitutes for politics in America. One aspect of "New York values" that I really think are superior is that unless you fornicate on the subway, the New Yorkers absolutely do not give a shit what you do. Fly your freak flag as high as you want, and people walk by and ignore it. They have thick skins and they have more important things to worry about. I oppose laissez-faire in economics - it does not work - but I agree with laissez-faire when it comes to private lives and pecadillos. I don't care, and I prefer laws that don't let people who DO care have the ability to screw around with other people. Privacy and personal liberty are very important values in my book. If some girl wants to try to use the urinal I don't care. If the guy next to me at the urinal is gay, I don't care. If some gay guy wants to use the women's bathroom, I don't care. But if somebody wants to legislate against that, I do care. No. No, I do not want to see the government regulating where and how people can piss. Don't like it? Get over it. REALLY don't like it. Get over it. New Yorkers are dead right about being tolerant of the foolishness of others. WHO CARES. Those who DO care too much...well...I guess they're not going to vote for Trump. So they'll get Hillary and Democrat Supreme Court, and eventual Mexican rule. And they'll STILL have to put up with gays pissing in girls toilets, because Hillary doesn't care, and neither do the Mexicans. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-21   22:32:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: A K A Stone (#30) Not good. I'm not as much of a blind cheerleader as vic. I'm not blind. I understand that THE policy that the President controls, above all, is foreign policy. And I understand that foreign policy, and particular war policy, is THE biggest discretionary expense of government. Which means that if we're ever going to have a balanced budget and start righting the finances of the state, we have got to get out of the endless wars of empire: they have bankrupted us. Sure, IF we could redo Social Security and Medicare and education, we could save money also, but those areas require massive political fights across all branches of government. The President alone controls foreign policy and war policy to a very great degree, Which means that savings are more easily and rapidly found there. Negotiating and renegotiating trade policy is also a function of the Presidency. And the President controls border security. So, and the three KEY issues: military policy, trade policy and borders, Trump is rock solid - better than anybody to come along in decades. That's what I support. I think Trump is basically right that Paterno got a bad rap. I think he's right to not care about the toilet hooplah. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-21   22:43:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: Vicomte13 (#32) We're talking about a toilet, that's all. Actually no. When my daughter was 2, and I had no other choice, i took her into a men's restroom to let her do her business. She needed the assurance of a parent near her, and it would have been wrong for me to go into a woman's bathroom. I think everybody understood the situation and just realized I was trying to stand by my daughter, even though it was extremely embarrassing for me. This entire issue is about disgusting freaks wanting to flaunt their their awful beliefs and be protected for doing so. It has nothing to do with just "using the toilet." They are shoving their faggot ideas in your face and telling you to deal with it. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-04-21   23:06:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: no gnu taxes (#36) (Edited) They are shoving their faggot ideas in your face and telling you to deal with it. And they are winning the way. If Trump is not elected, the Democrats will control the Supreme Court and will complete their revolution. If he is elected, you will have a Supreme Court that fills up with newer, younger Scalias, and that will take the country in a very different direction. If you're ready to blow it all up in the air and hand everything over to the Democrats because Trump is not as threatened by freaks in the toilet as you are, that's your prerogative. You will suffer a lot more, and more permanently, under Hillary's regime. You'll like a lot Trump does. But he's a New Yorker, he has a thick skin and does not freak out at human weirdness. He never will. And he's not going to change on that score because you do. That's the bottom line. I hear what you say about the toilet. I have a daughter too. I hear what you say, I think about it, and I still say "Nah - this really is NOT a true risk." This is just people who are too squeamish about weird gays and cross-dressers. They're not a threat. I'm not going to pretend they are. I still don't care. And you shouldn't either. There are real things to worry about, and that ain't one of them. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-22   6:57:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #38. To: Vicomte13 (#37) What IS a threat for your daughter, then? Or rather, threats. goodnessmarlok  posted on  2016-04-22   7:28:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: goodnessmarlok (#38) What IS a threat for your daughter, then? Or rather, threats. #1 Her own lack of self-discipline (This is the #1 threat to nearly all of us) #2 A random violent lunatic #3 The financial dismantling of the USA. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-22   7:57:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: Vicomte13, AKA Stone (#35) think Trump is basically right that Paterno got a bad rap. I think he's right to not care about the toilet hooplah. He should be because this is just another example ;like homosexual marriage that is becoming a national issue ,and will be shoved down our throats by the unelected branch of government . "If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato tomder55  posted on  2016-04-22   9:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #41. To: tomder55 (#40) He should be because this is just another example ;like homosexual marriage that is becoming a national issue ,and will be shoved down our throats by the unelected branch of government . The Supreme Court has been GOP since 1969. Right now it's 50/50. The next President will appoint 1, and as many as 4, justices to the Supreme Court. So, the next President will determine which party dominates the Supreme Court for the next quarter century. We know what we'll get from Hillary. And Trump has told us that he will appoint justices like Scalia. So, that's the choice. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-22   10:09:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #42. To: Stoner (#18) supporting that pedophile football coach I'll just say that Paterno wasn't a pedophile and was always a decent person. Now he did have the pedophile on his staff. I'm not sure what Paterno knew, but he had to have some idea what was going on. My guess is he was embarrassed by it and just didn't know how to deal with it. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-04-22   10:19:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #43. To: no gnu taxes (#42) " I'll just say that Paterno wasn't a pedophile and was always a decent person. Now he did have the pedophile on his staff. " Yes, I know. I apologize. I just expressed it that way, because it was easier. Still, he had the pedophile on his staff, and should have done something about it. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur Stoner  posted on  2016-04-22   11:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #44. To: Vicomte13 (#41) And Trump has told us that he will appoint justices like Scalia. and of course you believe him .He said he has no problem with male transformers using the women's bathroom He again this week changed his position on abortion. He also said he would appoint justices like his sister(Court of Appeals ,Third Circus)...He later said he was 'joking ' when he was confronted . Justice Maryanne Trump Barry wrote an opinion about a NJ partial birth abortion law. She wrote that the law was a “desperate attempt” to undermine Roe v Wade ;that the law is "based on semantic machinations, irrational line- drawing, and an obvious attempt to inflame public opinion instead of logic or medical evidence.” (Planned Parenthood of Central New Jersey v. Farmer) Trump later lied during the debates and falsely claimed that Justice Alito signed concurred with her opinion in the case. He definitiely did not join Barry’s opinion. What he wrote was that the case was “unnecessary” and “obsolete” because SCOTUS had already ruled on partial birth abortions. "If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato tomder55  posted on  2016-04-22   11:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #45. To: tomder55 (#44) He again this week changed his position on abortion. No he did not. He has said for the past several years, as long as I have been paying attention to him as a politician, that he is pro-life, but he believes that there must be exceptions for the life of the mother, and for rape and incest. That has been Trump's consistent position all along. It is not the Republican Party's position. This week, with Trump's win in New York, he made it clear that HIS position will be what it has been: pro- life with life, rape and incest exceptions. He made it clear that that is what he is going to be advocating, and he said that the Republican platform will need to be adjusted to fit that. He staked out this position long ago, and he is not going to change his mind. He's not going to be pressured into changing his mind. So, President Trump will take that position in his acts, and in his appointments, and in his speeches, and if Republicans don't agree, at least they will know where he is coming from. If Republicans choose not to vote for him because of his three principled exceptions regarding abortion (only one of which I personally agree with, by the way), then they can withhold their vote. If enough do so, Trump may be defeated by Hillary Clinton, who will then proceed to fill the Supreme Court with liberal Democrats, and abortion on demand, paid for by all, with no religious exemption for religious institutions, will be the law of the land, per the US Supreme Court. And that will be that. Trump has been up front all along about his position. I've known it from the beginning of the campaign because he's never hidden it. It isn't true that he "changed" his position. I like Trump's position better than Hillary's. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-22   11:38:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #46. To: tomder55 (#44) He said he has no problem with male transformers using the women's bathroom I don't have a problem with it either. I don't care who is squatting in the next stall. And I'm not going to start caring. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-22   11:39:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #47. To: Stoner (#43) Still, he had the pedophile on his staff, and should have done something about it. I think that what he should have done is let law enforcement take care of that sort of thing. There are no underaged children on college football teams. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-22   11:40:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #48. To: Vicomte13 (#47) I think that what he should have done is let law enforcement take care of that sort of thing. There are no underaged children on college football teams. I believe the children in question weren't players but members of youth camps in their early teens. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-04-22   12:45:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #49. To: Vicomte13 (#47) " I think that what he should have done is let law enforcement take care of that sort of thing. " I think so as well. But that would have produced bad PR for the school, and the team. Bad set of priorities. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur Stoner  posted on  2016-04-22   12:59:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #50. To: no gnu taxes (#48) " I believe the children in question weren't players but members of youth camps in their early teens. " Yeah, that is the way I remember it. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur Stoner  posted on  2016-04-22   13:01:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #51. To: Vicomte13 (#46) here's a simple rule . use the bathroom that is made for your plumbing . I don't want a pervert dressing as Ru Paul using the same bathroom as my daughter . "If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato tomder55  posted on  2016-04-22   13:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #52. To: tomder55 (#51) use the bathroom that is made for your plumbing . Please elaborate or clarify. My home bathroom(s) are designed for boys, girls, ladies and men...and I guess those other types. p.s. I can't believe I'm getting sucking into this manufactured controversy. Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-04-22   13:15:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #53. To: no gnu taxes (#48) (Edited) I believe the children in question weren't players but members of youth camps in their early teens. Me too. So, there was an assistant coach with an outside issue that was involved with activities unrelated to his employer. His boss may have had suspicions, but no formal charges had been filed. So his boss withheld judgment and let the police do their job. Eventually the police indicted. I think Paterno did the right thing by withholding judgment. Crucifying him after the fact is politically correct, and I don't care about what is politically correct. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-22   13:42:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #54. To: tomder55 (#51) (Edited) here's a simple rule . use the bathroom that is made for your plumbing . I don't want a pervert dressing as Ru Paul using the same bathroom as my daughter . That's all fine. You're certainly entitled to your view. My view is similar: use the bathroom that was made for your plumbing. But if you don't, then you're a jerk. If you dress as Ru Paul, you're weird. And that's where I end it. I never want to see the legislative process engaged to make rules on such petty things, or the police empowered to enforce people's opinions on such things. People who are jerks are jerks, like people who play with their boogers at stoplights. I don't want to see it, but I don't want to empower lawmakers and law enforcement to address such things. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-22   13:47:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #55. To: Stoner (#49) " I think that what he should have done is let law enforcement take care of that sort of thing. " I think so as well. I think where we differ is that you seem to think that he was wrong to not report his suspicions to law enforcement. I would say that depends completely on the depth of his suspicions. I consider law enforcement to be corrupt and often criminal, and I reject any notion that one ever has a DUTY to go to law enforcement to report things. If Paterno did not particularly suspect the coach of anything egregious, because he was focused on other things, I do not believe that he should be held "accountable" for anything - he did nothing wrong. So, I agree with Trump: restore the statue. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-22   13:53:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #56. To: Vicomte13 (#55) (Edited) " you seem to think that he was wrong to not report his suspicions to law enforcement. " If he suspected anything, then he would have been wrong to not do so. Remember, these were young children, they & their parents apparently had faith that they would be safe. They were not. " I reject any notion that one ever has a DUTY to go to law enforcement to report things. " ??? WTH ? I agreed with you, then you change your position ? Fine, and how would you react if the father of one of those young boys had taken the law into his own hands, and reacted as a Knight Templar, and dealt with that coach himself ? If my son had been one of those boys, that would be the end of that coach. We will just have to agree to disagree counselor. To me, it appears you are simply trying to rationalize. This is not a court room. It may work in your mind, but not mine! Trump is wrong, and so are you! arrivederci Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur Stoner  posted on  2016-04-22   14:36:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #57. To: Vicomte13 (#53) I believe the children in question weren't players but members of youth camps in their early teens. Me too. So, there was an assistant coach with an outside issue that was involved with activities unrelated to his employer. His boss may have had suspicions, but no formal charges had been filed. So his boss withheld judgment and let the police do their job. This went on under the oversight of Paterno. This happened on Penn State facilities. He could definitely have used his considerable influence to oust this guy. All that said, I really don't blame Paterno too much. He was in an impossible situation that he had no desire to be in. He just had no idea how to handle it. Very shortly after all this came to light, Paterno died. I don't think that is a coincidence. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-04-22   14:38:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #58. To: Vicomte13 (#35) And I understand that foreign policy, and particular war policy, is THE biggest discretionary expense of government. Which means that if we're ever going to have a balanced budget and start righting the finances of the state, we have got to get out of the endless wars of empire: they have bankrupted us. The welfare state you support is what has bankrupted us. More than the stupid wars. A K A Stone  posted on  2016-04-22   23:17:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #59. To: tomder55 (#51) here's a simple rule . use the bathroom that is made for your plumbing . I don't want a pervert dressing as Ru Paul using the same bathroom as my daughter . You're right. They are wrong. I'd go a step further. If the perverts go in the wrong rest room. Beat them to a pulp. A K A Stone  posted on  2016-04-22   23:19:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #60. To: A K A Stone (#58) The welfare state you support is what has bankrupted us. More than the stupid wars. Absoloutly ONE HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT. The libtarded drug lovers will never agree.... because they are libtarded. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح GrandIsland  posted on  2016-04-23   0:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #61. To: A K A Stone (#58) The welfare state you support is what has bankrupted us. More than the stupid wars. The welfare state, from public schools through VA benefits, Social Security, Medicare, and Unemployment Insurance, are all necessary features of a modern industrial state. These expenditures are not bankrupting us - they are maintaining the socio-economic order. They're the baseline expenses to keep the country on the rails. The wars and the empire are extravagantly wasteful. They are our margin of deficit. We could have done without Korea and Vietnam, Somalia and Bosnia. And given how we fought them, we would have been better off to have never gone into Iraq or Afghanistan. Had we not wasted those trillions, we would not have the national debt we have, the interest payments, and all of the knock on effects. We would have invested our money at home, in our own people, and been able to have lower taxes. Social Security has been a necessity ever since Americans migrated en masse from the farm to the city. Money spent on it goes back into the economy and is respent by its recipients. It maintains their standards of living, while enhancing the liberty of both old people and their children, who would otherwise be far less free, because they would have to support them. By contrast, a war that you use is just talking money (and lives) and burning them up for nothing. Some contractors get wealthy, but that wealth stays concentrated in a few hands. ] Since 1949, our investment in war has been sunken costs and loss, trillions and trillions worth. Making peace with Russia, bringing home the forces, guarding our OWN borders (to keep non- Americans from swelling our welfare rolls) and getting jobs back here by putting better trade agreements in place. These are Trump's bread and butter, and they are exactly the prescription we need. Trump has never promised to dismantle Social Security or Unemployment insurance, the VA or Medicare. He has proposed ways to make medical care less expensive, so that it's less of a burden on the budget, but he has never proposed, and would not support, simply cutting Medicare off. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-23   5:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #62. To: Stoner (#56) Trump is wrong, and so are you! arrivederci Paterno is dead. Whatever justice there is for him to face, is being meted out by God. You're ready to change the economic system of America in order to punish Trump for stating his opinion that Paterno's STATUE should be put back up. If enough people agree with you and follow you, then the statue will stay down, and we will be a socialist country within 8 years. If Trump wins, the statue will probably stay down - it's some local authority in Pennsylvania that will decide that, not Trump. But we will have a regulated free-market capitalist system. You have taken the boob bait for Bubbas hook line and sinker. To me, it's a free speech issue. And I'll sacrifice capitalism to keep free speech too. So, it looks like Hillary. I'll still have free speech under Hillary. And the statue will stay down, so you win too. So, there's the answer. We divide and fight, Hillary wins, and we end up better off. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-23   9:53:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #63. To: Vicomte13 (#62) Again: Trump is wrong, and so are you! arrivederci Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur Stoner  posted on  2016-04-23   9:57:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #64. To: Stoner (#63) Again: Trump is wrong, and so are you! arrivederci No, you are. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-23   10:27:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #65. To: Vicomte13 (#61) The welfare state, from public schools through VA benefits, Social Security, Medicare, and Unemployment Insurance, are all necessary features of a modern industrial state. These expenditures are not bankrupting us - they are maintaining the socio-economic order. They're the baseline expenses to keep the country on the rails. The wars and the empire are extravagantly wasteful. They are our margin of deficit. We could have done without Korea and Vietnam, Somalia and Bosnia. And given how we fought them, we would have been better off to have never gone into Iraq or Afghanistan. Had we not wasted those trillions, we would not have the national debt we have, the interest payments, and all of the knock on effects. We would have invested our money at home, in our own people, and been able to have lower taxes. Social Security has been a necessity ever since Americans migrated en masse from the farm to the city. Money spent on it goes back into the economy and is respent by its recipients. It maintains their standards of living, while enhancing the liberty of both old people and their children, who would otherwise be far less free, because they would have to support them. By contrast, a war that you use is just talking money (and lives) and burning them up for nothing. Some contractors get wealthy, but that wealth stays concentrated in a few hands. ] Since 1949, our investment in war has been sunken costs and loss, trillions and trillions worth. Making peace with Russia, bringing home the forces, guarding our OWN borders (to keep non- Americans from swelling our welfare rolls) and getting jobs back here by putting better trade agreements in place. These are Trump's bread and butter, and they are exactly the prescription we need. Trump has never promised to dismantle Social Security or Unemployment insurance, the VA or Medicare. He has proposed ways to make medical care less expensive, so that it's less of a burden on the budget, but he has never proposed, and would not support, simply cutting Medicare off. You should adopt the Christian and spit out the anti christian Catholic bullshit lies. Your beliefs have made parasites out of 20 plus percent of the people. The Bible says you don't work you don't eat. That is an indisputable fact. Your position is not Christian. It is stupid, ignorant, and evil. It is evil because it is a lie that people can't make it without stealing from others through forced unchristian taxation. Stealing is always wrong. You're like Judas. A K A Stone  posted on  2016-04-23   10:29:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #66. To: Vicomte13 (#64) Again: Trump is wrong, and so are you! arrivederci No, you are. No you are. You are pro faggot. Like your welfare ideas. You would lie to people and let them think they are what they are not. You subsidize mental illness whith your stupid ignorant rhetoric. You even said you would vote for pro abortion Hillary Clinton. You're no christian. You're not. A K A Stone  posted on  2016-04-23   10:30:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply         .       .       . Comments (67 - 81) not displayed. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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