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Title: Cory Gardner (piece of shit) on Colorado: ‘Cruz had it. Trump didn’t. End of story.’
Source: Breitbart
URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern ... es-cruz-trump-didnt-end-story/
Published: Apr 12, 2016
Author: Alex Swoyer
Post Date: 2016-04-13 08:39:11 by cranky
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Views: 18678
Comments: 62

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Sen. Cory Gardner (R-CO) is questioning how GOP frontrunner Donald Trump could defeat the Islamic State (ISIS) after he seemed unable to figure out the Colorado delegate process.

“How on earth are you going to defeat ISIS if you can’t figure out the @cologop convention?” the Colorado senator tweeted.

Gardner took to Twitter unleashing a series of tweets blasting Trump for claiming that the Colorado delegate selection was a fix after Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) swept nearly all the delegates at the state GOP convention:

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#1. To: cranky (#0)

I've attended CO GOP conventions for years. It requires organization & attn to grassroots to win. Cruz had it. Trump didn't. End of story.

— Sen. Cory Gardner (R-CO) (@CoryGardner) April 12, 2016

Well, he would know since Gardner and every elected Republican in Colorado has been nominated and elected by the Colorado GOP via its caucus system which has been in place since 2004.

When Trump attacks the CO caucus system, he is attacking the legitimacy of every elected Republican in the state. And every delegate from the state.

The only thing that actually changed last year was they cancelled the non-binding caucus straw poll for president. Colorado has preferred unbound delegates and the RNC made a new rule last year that if you held any sort of vote for prez, you had to bind your delegates to them. So Colorado GOP just cancelled their "beauty pageant" straw poll since they wanted their delegates to remain unbound.

Cruz did "win" Colorado by a certain measure but, technically, those are still unbound delegates on the first ballot. Good luck to Trump trying to pick up a single one of them.

I've wondered if Trump might decide to challenge the outcome. I actually hope he does because it would open a huge can of worms that would backfire on his victories in other caucus states.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-13   8:49:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: tooconservative (#1)

"Cruz did "win" Colorado by a certain measure but, technically, those are still unbound delegates on the first ballot."

Then why not have a primary where the voters know that the delegates are unbound?

We know why. Because the Colorado GOP is corrupt.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-04-13   9:20:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: misterwhite (#2)

Then why not have a primary where the voters know that the delegates are unbound?

The rules are published and well-known to all. This has been in place since 2004. I'm not sure whether they bound their delegates in 2000 and in previous elections or not. I know that the CO GOP and Dims decided it cost too much to hold statewide primary votes for the public since it never resulted in them getting any attention from the candidates.

CO has been frustrated for decades in its efforts to become a battleground state. So they just gave up on it and went to the caucus system. It is much cheaper.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-13   9:26:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: tooconservative, misterwhite (#4)

I know that the CO GOP and Dims decided it cost too much to hold statewide primary votes for the public since it never resulted in them getting any attention from the candidates.

CO has been frustrated for decades in its efforts to become a battleground state. So they just gave up on it and went to the caucus system. It is much cheaper.

to add an exclamation point to their point. Only Cruz bothered to show up in the state . Trump apparently was unaware that there were delegates to pick up . Kaisich sent John Sununnu as his representative .

Then Trump belly aches that he did not even make a speech there . Well what stopped him ?

When Trump goes to Cleveland with less than a majority of delegates ,he can look back at Colorado ,Wyoming ,and probably other states ,like Iowa (where he skipped a debate in a snit) where he could've gathered enough delegates to put him over the top .I have no sympathy for him. He is just another Dem who thinks he's entitled .

tomder55  posted on  2016-04-13   9:37:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: tomder55 (#8)

I have no sympathy for him. He is just another Dem who thinks he's entitled.

It's not ultimately about him, or the Republican Party. It's about us, we the people, and more directly, you.

Trump started this whole thing on a shoestring just a few months ago. He has not spent years inside politics.

You may like a deeply professionalized political class with arcane rules, but that favors that political class. But this nation has become more democratic over time.

Now, with Hispanic immigration and natality, Republicans cannot win long term unless they can bring people into their party: you need more men.

Cruz has not brought anybody new into the party. He has merely mobilized purists of a certain stripe, while alienating everybody else.

Trump has come on like a hurricane, with a ton of new voters, voters who bring a different ideological angle to the party - nationalist, and populist. You can win with this larger party.

Trouble is, you hate them ideologically, and you are very pleased to see Trump defeated.

The problem with THAT is that if you just get the purists who think like Cruz and you, you cannot win. As you will dscover.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-15   10:12:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Vicomte13 (#46)

Now, with Hispanic immigration and natality, Republicans cannot win long term unless they can bring people into their party: you need more men.

so let me get this straight ;you think Trump is going to bring more Hispanics into the Republican party ?

Trump has come on like a hurricane, with a ton of new voters, voters who bring a different ideological angle to the party - nationalist, and populist.

I don't think he has an ideology beyond opportunism . Yeah he talks like a 'know nothing' of the mid-1800s .Populist is a style of persuasion not an ideology (although it is more often a tool of the left ).

tomder55  posted on  2016-04-15   10:40:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#51. To: tomder55 (#49)

so let me get this straight ;you think Trump is going to bring more Hispanics into the Republican party ?

Maybe, over time.

In the short run, Trump is going to bring working class whites, middle class whites, conservative Democrats and independents of every stripe into the party.

He won't bring in Hispanics or Blacks, for his first term, but Hillary Clinton's high negatives will discourage a lot of Democrat voters from coming out.

So, this time, there will be a motivated Trump vote, and a demotivatved Democrat vote, with the Perot-type voter and the Reagan Democrats coming out of the woodwork.

That will put Trump into the White House.

Trump, then, with his Border control and deportation, will actually change the future demographic curve: Latinos who are not here do not have anchor babies.

Meanwwhile, when the white working class and middle class have stabilized and better economic prospects, they will have more babies.

With Trump, the demographic future of the USA will no longer be los Estados Unidos Norte Americanos.

And in fact, with so many talented folks wanting to get out of an Islamifying Europe, a change to immigration policy could cause millions of European Whites to immigrate to the US, spiking the ball on the demographic curve.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-15 13:26:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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