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Title: Cory Gardner (piece of shit) on Colorado: ‘Cruz had it. Trump didn’t. End of story.’
Source: Breitbart
URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern ... es-cruz-trump-didnt-end-story/
Published: Apr 12, 2016
Author: Alex Swoyer
Post Date: 2016-04-13 08:39:11 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 16734
Comments: 62

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Sen. Cory Gardner (R-CO) is questioning how GOP frontrunner Donald Trump could defeat the Islamic State (ISIS) after he seemed unable to figure out the Colorado delegate process.

“How on earth are you going to defeat ISIS if you can’t figure out the @cologop convention?” the Colorado senator tweeted.

Gardner took to Twitter unleashing a series of tweets blasting Trump for claiming that the Colorado delegate selection was a fix after Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) swept nearly all the delegates at the state GOP convention:

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#1. To: cranky (#0)

I've attended CO GOP conventions for years. It requires organization & attn to grassroots to win. Cruz had it. Trump didn't. End of story.

— Sen. Cory Gardner (R-CO) (@CoryGardner) April 12, 2016

Well, he would know since Gardner and every elected Republican in Colorado has been nominated and elected by the Colorado GOP via its caucus system which has been in place since 2004.

When Trump attacks the CO caucus system, he is attacking the legitimacy of every elected Republican in the state. And every delegate from the state.

The only thing that actually changed last year was they cancelled the non-binding caucus straw poll for president. Colorado has preferred unbound delegates and the RNC made a new rule last year that if you held any sort of vote for prez, you had to bind your delegates to them. So Colorado GOP just cancelled their "beauty pageant" straw poll since they wanted their delegates to remain unbound.

Cruz did "win" Colorado by a certain measure but, technically, those are still unbound delegates on the first ballot. Good luck to Trump trying to pick up a single one of them.

I've wondered if Trump might decide to challenge the outcome. I actually hope he does because it would open a huge can of worms that would backfire on his victories in other caucus states.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-13   8:49:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: tooconservative (#1)

"Cruz did "win" Colorado by a certain measure but, technically, those are still unbound delegates on the first ballot."

Then why not have a primary where the voters know that the delegates are unbound?

We know why. Because the Colorado GOP is corrupt.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-04-13   9:20:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: misterwhite (#2)

Then why not have a primary where the voters know that the delegates are unbound?

The rules are published and well-known to all. This has been in place since 2004. I'm not sure whether they bound their delegates in 2000 and in previous elections or not. I know that the CO GOP and Dims decided it cost too much to hold statewide primary votes for the public since it never resulted in them getting any attention from the candidates.

CO has been frustrated for decades in its efforts to become a battleground state. So they just gave up on it and went to the caucus system. It is much cheaper.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-13   9:26:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: tooconservative, misterwhite (#4)

I know that the CO GOP and Dims decided it cost too much to hold statewide primary votes for the public since it never resulted in them getting any attention from the candidates.

CO has been frustrated for decades in its efforts to become a battleground state. So they just gave up on it and went to the caucus system. It is much cheaper.

to add an exclamation point to their point. Only Cruz bothered to show up in the state . Trump apparently was unaware that there were delegates to pick up . Kaisich sent John Sununnu as his representative .

Then Trump belly aches that he did not even make a speech there . Well what stopped him ?

When Trump goes to Cleveland with less than a majority of delegates ,he can look back at Colorado ,Wyoming ,and probably other states ,like Iowa (where he skipped a debate in a snit) where he could've gathered enough delegates to put him over the top .I have no sympathy for him. He is just another Dem who thinks he's entitled .

tomder55  posted on  2016-04-13   9:37:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: tomder55 (#8)

Then Trump belly aches that he did not even make a speech there . Well what stopped him ?

The Colorado GOP chair said they made efforts to accommodate him, offering different dates, etc.

Trump refused to come. So he lost. Now he's trying to delegitimize the CO GOP and the entire Republican party.

It is a bit odd for a candidate to attack the entire party as a thoroughly corrupt system (except those states where he won of course).

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-13   10:13:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: tooconservative (#11)

It is a bit odd for a candidate to attack the entire party as a thoroughly corrupt system (except those states where he won of course).

he certainly did not complain about getting 100% of the Fla delegates after getting less than 50% of the primary vote.

tomder55  posted on  2016-04-13   10:30:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: tomder55 (#15)

he certainly did not complain about getting 100% of the Fla delegates after getting less than 50% of the primary vote.

There has been some talk circulating about forcing all those winner-take-all delegates into proportional.

As with SC and Trump breaking his pledge, they may only be waiting for him to keep making those kinds of remarks to hang himself.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-13   10:52:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: tooconservative, tomder55 (#17)

There has been some talk circulating about forcing all those winner-take-all delegates into proportional.

Kiss the Electorial College winner take all system goodbye as well. CA, NY and a handful of other states will decide on who becomes POTUS.

SOSO  posted on  2016-04-13   11:04:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: SOSO (#18)

Kiss the Electorial College winner take all system goodbye as well.

Nothing about state party delegate controversies can possibly affect the status of the Electoral College as a mandated constitutional institution.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-13   11:29:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: tooconservative (#22)

Kiss the Electorial College winner take all system goodbye as well.

Nothing about state party delegate controversies can possibly affect the status of the Electoral College as a mandated constitutional institution.

The Constitution does not mandate a winner take all system for the states. And that is all I said, kiss the winner take all system goodbye. The small t seems to be affecting your eyesight.

SOSO  posted on  2016-04-13   11:38:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: SOSO (#27)

The small t seems to be affecting your eyesight.

Just don't call it a low T.

Anyway, I don't like winner-take-all schemes. Never have. I prefer proportionals.

The winner-take-all does tend to magnify presidential majorities so as to create a mandate but it is usually illusory IMO.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-13   11:42:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: tooconservative (#29)

Anyway, I don't like winner-take-all schemes. Never have. I prefer proportionals.

So you want to see the current Electoral College system of predominantly winner take all states junked?

SOSO  posted on  2016-04-13   11:44:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#32. To: SOSO (#31)

So you want to see the current Electoral College system of predominantly winner take all states junked?

I don't want to debate it at any length.

The thread has gone completely off-topic. It was about Gardner and his comments about the CO GOP caucus and Trump's whining.

Post a thread on the EC if you want to debate it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-13 11:48:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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