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Title: NJ Judge says lyin ted is legal, but...
Source: www.MaineTV.net
URL Source: http://www.mainetv.net/STE%205016-1 ... s%20et%20al%20ID%204-12-16.pdf
Published: Apr 12, 2016
Author: Self
Post Date: 2016-04-12 19:49:52 by BobCeleste
Keywords: ACP
Views: 1839
Comments: 17

here it is folks the long awaited decision on Cruz's legal standing in NJ, note it is still up to the Secretary Of State, she can, and God willing she will, overrule the judge.


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#1. To: BobCeleste (#0)

Bob, what if anything do you know about the SOS?

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

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Stoner  posted on  2016-04-12   19:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: BobCeleste (#0)

Excellent. The judge just did what needed to be done, and came to what I believe to be the correct inclusion.

Born of an American parent = born a citizen = natural born, in Cruz' case.

The judge did not directly address the distinction in the Obama case - assuming Obama was born in Kenya: that the law of the US at the time of Obama's birth, if in Kenya, would NOT have extended citizenship to him.

Indeed, the judge's opinion today would apparently assert that the natural born status of such a person was automatically required by the Constitution, and that the law of 1961 was ITSELF unconstitutional, by purporting to deny natural born status to a person who was natural born under the Common Law of England (understood broadly as including Parliamentary statutes as well as judge-made law).

The judge in this case did not need to adjudicate the question of Obama, though were his opinion to stand (as I myself believe it should) then Obama would indeed be natural born no matter where born.

Of course, this would also mean that every child of an American father, born of every whore in every foreign port, would be eligible to migrate to the US, vote, and indeed become President of the United States.

That is the inevitable result of the extent to which the judge has drawn the law here.

Regardless, Cruz will be on the NJ ballot.

I am pleased that the judge did not dodge the issue, but addressed it directly.

Now this case will be cited, perhaps to assert the natural born status of a Vietnamese whoreson, and that might in turn trigger the necessity of a ruling from the US Supreme Court which would, if Republican controlled, very probably rule that Congress had the power to limit the natural born status when regarding foreign-born children of one US parent. If Democrat controlled, one can rest assured that the foreign-born whoreson of an American sailor would be natural born, if he were popular and seeking the Democrat nomination.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-12   20:15:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Stoner (#1)

Bob, what if anything do you know about the SOS?

Kim Guadagno .....she holds position as both first lieutenant governor in New Jersey history,and SOS .She was an aggressive prosecutor but now she spends her time either in Christies big shadow ;or running the state while Christie does the national circuit.

She is likely going to inherit Christies position as top Republican in the state ,with a chance of becoming the next Guv. She will not declare Cruz ineligible .

"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato

tomder55  posted on  2016-04-12   22:01:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: BobCeleste (#0)

nolu chan  posted on  2016-04-12   22:48:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: All (#4)

CONCLUSION

As demonstrated above and in the thoughtful examinations of the scholars whose materials are mentioned herein, it must be acknowledged that the arguments against finding a child born outside the United States to a non-diplomat or non-military citizen of the United States are not facetious and the issue can never be entirely free of doubt, at least barring a definitive ruling of the United States Supreme Court. While absolute certainty as to this issue is only available to those who actually sat in Philadelphia and themselves thought on the issue, having weighed the arguments as they are presented by those trying to understand the Framers’ intent, I CONCLUDE that the more persuasive legal analysis is that such a child, born of a citizen-father, citizen-mother, or both, is indeed a “natural born Citizen” within the contemplation of the Constitution. As such I CONCLUDE that Senator Cruz meets the Article II, Section I qualifications and is eligible to be nominated for President. His name may therefore appear on the New Jersey Republican primary ballot.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-04-12   22:49:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: nolu chan (#5) (Edited)

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The law is based on the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment which is a corollary to Article II, Section 1. They fit together nicely: anyone who is a Citizen of the United States At Birth under the 14th Amendment is also a natural born citizen under Article II, Section 1.

Nope. Not even a constitutional amendment can redefine the concept of a "natural citizen" as informed by the natural law philosophy the founders relied upon to create the nation. It makes as much sense as redefining "pi."

No, "Natural citizen" is a concept independent of modification. It is in effect, a "natural law" constant, no different from the speed of light or the charge on an electron.

Only liberal sophists think they get away with tampering with natural law. They only end up making a mess of it. Again, I point out "gay" marriage.

What we have nowadays is a cohort of judges and lawyers who are too ignorant to understand that they don't understand something, and too stupid to realize that they should.

Our judicial system has become the perfect storm of kookery, but with all the trappings of "authority."

75 posted on ‎4‎/‎12‎/‎2016‎ ‎3‎:‎25‎:‎33‎ ‎PM by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3420279/posts?q=1&;page=51#75

Our judicial system has become ... the perfect storm of kookery --- with all the trappings of "authority."

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BorisY  posted on  2016-04-12   22:52:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13, BobCeleste (#2)

Now this case will be cited, perhaps to assert the natural born status of a Vietnamese whoreson, and that might in turn trigger the necessity of a ruling from the US Supreme Court which would, if Republican controlled, very probably rule that Congress had the power to limit the natural born status when regarding foreign-born children of one US parent. If Democrat controlled, one can rest assured that the foreign-born whoreson of an American sailor would be natural born, if he were popular and seeking the Democrat nomination.

Congress has the authority to set the conditions upon which any person born overseas becomes a U.S. citizen at birth. A U.S. citizen at birth will always be a natural born U.S. citizen, be he a Vietnamese whoreson or the son of two rich citizen blue bloods.

The conclusion that Cruz is a natural born citizen, eligible for president, and will remain on the ballot is correct, albeit beyond his jurisdiction to issue. Had it been decided otherwise, he would have been so advised rapidly.

If this is appealed through to Federal court by the plaintiff(s), much of this judge's opinion will be crushed in Federal court, notably on standing, justiciability, and jurisdiction.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-04-12   23:08:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: BorisY (#6)

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"Natural law" is not the law of any U.S. jurisdiction.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-04-12   23:11:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: nolu chan (#7)

Congress has the authority to set the conditions upon which any person born overseas becomes a U.S. citizen at birth.

His point is that it is natural born. You can't legislate something that is natural.

I think Boris's Bruce Jenner comment was a good example.

However. I can see some people saying that since he was born to an American woman he would naturally be an American and not a Canadian. Since natural law isn't defined.

I can see both sides of the argument.

I was almost born in Germany. But my mama didn't want me to be born there. So she waited until I was born before going with my dad to Germany where he was stationed.

I think that a person born to an American woman is naturally more of an American then a wetback that giver birth in America. I would argue that they are not natural born citizens. Maybe citizens by act of congress. But not natural born.

My 3 cents.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-04-12   23:12:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: nolu chan (#8)

"Natural law" is not the law of any U.S. jurisdiction.

If the U.S doesn't have jurisdiction. Then they can't redefine natural law.

The constitution clearly says natural born. Which is obviously natures law.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-04-12   23:13:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: nolu chan (#8)

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BorisY  posted on  2016-04-12   23:18:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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BorisY  posted on  2016-04-12   23:25:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: BorisY (#12)

Boris, you might frequently have some very good comments & thoughts. But the way you type it, is just so senseless.

I would most likely read your stuff, if you would just put it in a more coherent fashion.

If you would, you would do everyone, and yourself a great favor.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-04-13   3:49:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: BobCeleste (#0)

NJ Judge says lyin ted is legal, but...

This still stinks to high heaven...

The Constitutional Framers were worried about foreign influences back in the day - they wanted to ensure that the person holding the office had no foreign ties. That is why they layered much upon the requirements. As far as the natural-born business goes, they further clarify this in 1790 and 1795:

“An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790)

Ch. 3, 1 Stat. 103 (repealed 1795). provided that “the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States . . . .” (emphasis added).

“An act to establish an uniform rule of Naturalization; and to repeal the act heretofore passed on that subject” (January 29, 1795)

SEC. 2. Provided always, and be it further enacted, That any alien now residing within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States may be admitted to become a citizen on his declaring, on oath or affirmation, in some one of the courts aforesaid, that he has resided two years, at least, within and under the jurisdiction of the same, and one year, at least, within the state or territory where such court is at the time held; that he will support the constitution of the United States; and that he does absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty whatever, and particularly by name the prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, whereof he was before a citizen or subject; and moreover, on its appearing to the satisfaction of the court, that during the said term of two years, he has behaved as a man of good moral character, attached to the constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the same; and when the alien applying for admission to citizenship, shall have borne any hereditary title, or been of any of the orders of nobility in the kingdom or state from which he came, on his moreover making in the court an express renunciation of his title or order of nobility, before he shall be entitled to such admission; all of which proceedings, required in this proviso to be performed in the court, shall be recorded by the clerk thereof.

SEC. 3. And be it further enacted, that the children of persons duly naturalized, dwelling within the United States, and being under the age of twenty-one years, at the time of such naturalization, and the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States: Provided also, That no person heretofore proscribed by any state, or who has been legally convicted of having joined the army of Great Britain during the late war, shall be admitted a citizen as foresaid, without the consent of the legislature of the state, in which such person was proscribed.

SEC. 4. And be it further enacted, That the Act intituled, “An act to establish an uniform rule of naturalization,” passed the twenty-sixth day of March, one thousand seven hundred and ninety, be, and the same is hereby repealed. (emphasis added)

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I still believe that a strict interpretation of the law as written in 1795 would disqualify "da Cruz Miss-le" from being POTUS. If Rafael Cruz Sr. was never a legal resident by virtue of having his residency voided by moving to Canada, then pretty boy Ted Floyd shouldn't be conferred natural-born citizenship because papa wasn't even a resident at the time...

Cue the feminists who will say that the law is sexist...3...2...1...

TheFireBert  posted on  2016-04-13   7:05:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: BobCeleste (#0)

It seems to me that if Cruz, having been born there, wanted to claim he was a Canadian citizen, it would have merit.

It also seems to me that if his father took him to Cuba, Cruz could be a Cuban citizen.

Didn't the Founding Fathers, using the restrictive "natural born citizen", intend for the individual to have undivided loyalty to the United States?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-04-13   15:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#9)

"However. I can see some people saying that since he was born to an American woman he would naturally be an American and not a Canadian."

Yet a child born here to a Mexican woman is not Mexican. That child is American.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-04-13   15:04:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: misterwhite (#16)

Yet a child born here to a Mexican woman is not Mexican. That child is American.

Wetbacks born here aren't real Americans in my view. If you read the rest of what I said you will see that. Not natural born for sure.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-04-13   15:06:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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