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Title: Cruz, Rubio join forces in Arkansas to block Trump delegates
Source: Washington Examiner
URL Source: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/c ... rump-delegates/article/2588237
Published: Apr 12, 2016
Author: David M Drucker
Post Date: 2016-04-12 08:56:38 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 1399
Comments: 19

Ted Cruz's and Marco Rubio's supporters have teamed up in Arkansas to pack the state delegation with individuals who'll turn against Donald Trump in a contested convention.

Since Rubio ended his presidential bid March 15, his network of party insiders has lined up behind Cruz to win delegates who'd vote for the Texas senator once they're no longer bound to Trump in a floor fight. Trump won Arkansas' GOP primary March 1 with 32.8 percent of the vote compared to Cruz's 30.5 percent and Rubio's 24.9 percent. But Cruz's canny operatives, with Rubio riding shotgun, is likely to thwart Trump in the delegate election.

Trump's organization is as sloppy in Arkansas as elsewhere, just as Cruz's is an efficient machine in state after state. This could ding the Donald, costing him as many as 25 delegates after a first inconclusive ballot. Cruz, who finished with 15 out of the available 40 delegates in primary voting, stands to gain all 16 Trump delegates and the 9 won by Rubio.

Bart Hester, a top Rubio organizer in Arkansas, said he's filling Rubio's delegate slate with individuals committed to opposing Trump in Cleveland. "I would certainly hope it would be someone who has a leaning toward Cruz rather than Trump," Hester, a state senator, told the Washington Examiner on Monday.

"I've got a great working relationship with the state director for Rubio and I think generally what we're looking for is about the same," added state Rep. Bob Ballinger, Cruz's Arkansas co-chairman. "We'll be working together to make sure the right delegates are selected."

According to Arkansas GOP rules, Rubio's nine delegates are bound to vote for him on the first ballot in Cleveland, even though he suspended his White House bid and stopped actively campaigning nearly a month ago. Most high profile Arkansas Republicans endorsed Rubio heading into the state's Super Tuesday, "SEC" primary contest.

A list of big name delegate candidates, and which candidates they are pledging to support, reveals the institutional support for Cruz and Rubio in Arkansas (none are listed as potential delegates for Ohio Gov. John Kasich.) Some Republicans on this list, obtained by the Examiner, appear to be keeping their options open. Sens. John Boozman and Tom Cotton are running to join slates fielded by Cruz, Rubio and Trump; so is Rep. Bruce Westerman.

But the rest of the Arkansas' federal delegation, and the state's top two officials in Little Rock, are for Cruz, Rubio, or both. Rep. Rick Crawford is running as a Rubio delegate; Rep. French Hill to support Cruz or Rubio; and Rep. Steve Womack to back Rubio. Gov. Asa Hutchinson and Lt. Gov. Tim Griffin are running as Rubio delegates. High profile state and federal lawmakers are basically assured of winning delegate slots.

That is just one reason why the delegation that arrives in Cleveland is likely to be dominated by "never Trump" forces. The other is Trump's lax effort to post delegate candidates that he can depend on to defend his winnings from the primary.

"The Trump Campaign continues what seems to be an ecletic version of a campaign," said a GOP insider in Arkansas, who requested anonymity in order to speak candidly. "They're not sending their preferred list, they're not having people vetted to make sure they're Trump people."

Trump leads in the race for 1,237 Republican nominating delegates, equal to 50 percent plus one, with 743. Cruz sits at 545 after sweeping delegate elections in Colorado over the weekend, and Kasich trails with 143. Most delegates are only bound to vote for the candidate that won the primary or caucus in their state on the first or second ballot on the convention floor.

After that, the delegates become free agents.

By working delegate elections in precincts, counties and states Trump won, including Arkansas, Cruz is loading slates with loyalists who are pledging to support him for the nomination once unbound. In many of these contests, the Trump campaign has suffered from disorganization — or from being absent from the process. Delegate candidates tend to be comprised of grassroots party regulars, another factor that could hurt Trump.

In Arkansas, delegates will be elected in a series of local elections in April, culminating with meeting of the state central committee on May 14. Candidates had to meet a Feb. 19 deadline to file to run. The Cruz campaign was actively engaged in recruiting candidates going back several months. The Trump campaign was, and remains, largely absent, Arkansas GOP insiders say, mirroring the front-runner's problems in other states.

"They seem to be going Sen. Cruz's way," Marcela White, Cruz's political coordinator in Arkansas, said of the fight for delegates. "It looks good for him."

Reached by telephone, a grassroots organizer for Trump in Arkansas referred the Examiner to a more senior member of the billionaire's team in the state. At press time, that individual had not returned a voice mail requesting comment.

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#1. To: cranky, nolu chan, tomder55, ConservingFreedom, tpaine (#0) (Edited)

Interesting.

We saw Manafort bragging on MTP on Sunday about how Trump and Kasich delegates worked together in Michigan to shut out Cruz delegates from one of the convention committees. So this kind of delegate wrangling is just fine with Trump's chief delegate cowboy, at least as long as Trump wins.

But it opens up another possibility, one I mentioned to nolu yesterday. If Trump is angling to get Kasich on board, perhaps by promising him the VP slot, Cruz could be angling to get Rubio on board by promising him the VP (or SecDef) slot.

Trump will come to the convention with ~1150 bound delegates. So he will need Kasich's bound delegates on a second ballot to have any chance to win the nominee.

Cruz will come to the convention with 1000-1050 bound and unbound delegates, perhaps more. So he will likely need Rubio's 171 delegates on a second ballot to win the nomination.

Kasich has not attacked Trump so fiercely that he cannot become Trump's VP.

Rubio has not attacked Cruz so fiercely that he cannot become Cruz's VP. Rubio did attack Trump so hard at the end that he almost cannot be Trump's VP, just because of all the ads the Dims could make out of Rubio's attacks on Trump. Rubio went way beyond stuff like "voodoo economics" and such.

And Rubio is working hard to keep his delegates bound to him instead of allowing the state parties to free them up or reassign them.

Rubio is more and more showing up as a convention kingmaker.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-12   9:25:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: TooConservative (#1)

" Interesting "

I think the whole damn process is convoluted. Unnecessarily!!

But since it is designed & written by lawyers, I guess that is to be expected.

No wonder our nation is so screwed up !

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Stoner  posted on  2016-04-12   9:42:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: TooConservative (#1)

Interesting.

And should get even more so.

Especially, since both Cruz or Rubio are pretty adept at backstabbing

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2016-04-12   10:18:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: cranky (#3)

Especially, since both Cruz or Rubio are pretty adept at backstabbing

Like Trump and Kasich aren't? LOL

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-12   10:29:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TooConservative (#4)

Like Trump and Kasich aren't? LOL

I haven't heard that about Trump.

But I have read that Cruz is a backstabber from Mike Lee and Rubio is a backstabber from a couple of Bushes.

If Trump and Kasich have similar reputations for backstabbing, I wish you'd post the articles.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2016-04-12   10:36:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Stoner (#2)

I think the whole damn process is convoluted.

It's the result of 56 different independent GOP state/territorial parties running their organizations and delegate selections.

And it is a primary, not an election.

These parties are private clubs during the primaries. During the general election, they then become subject to the full election laws of the country.

Just because you "vote" in a primary does not mean you have voted in an election. The "vote" you get in a primary is granted only because the state parties are willing to pay for you to get to "vote".

In CO, for a few decades after they grew, they plotted how to get major candidates to come to CO to pander to them. They finally kinda gave up on that because they are in the middle of the primaries. So the legislature (both parties) gave up on paying for these expensive primaries and went to a caucus system only. This happened around 15 years ago, in time for the 2004 election.

Then last year (well before Trump really had a shot), the RNC promulgated a rule that states that held a public caucus vote had to bind their delegates. Well, Colorado looked at that and still didn't want to spend on a primary with voting so they just went to their convention system. The previous "voting" that did occur in CO was only a straw poll that didn't bind delegates to any candidate anyway so it was pretty meaningless but people didn't realize that because the races since 2004 have ended up in uncontested conventions with a clear winner. The people of CO never realized that their straw poll "votes" were completely meaningless but this is the first time a lot of them finally realized it.

Anyway, there are reasons why CO looks kinda bad but there are also reasons why the Colorado legislature (of D's & R's) told the state parties that the state wouldn't pay for any more useless statewide primary elections (since nobody believed the major candidates would ever show up anyway).

The same kind of thinking that led to CO adopting this convention system is why WY and ND have very similar systems. And again, all of this was done long before anyone thought Trump had any chance of winning at all.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-12   10:39:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: cranky (#5)

But I have read that Cruz is a backstabber from Mike Lee...

I don't think so. Lee is Cruz's best friend and partner. When everyone else in D.C. is against Cruz, Lee is still with him.

You must be thinking of someone else.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-12   10:41:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: TooConservative (#7)

I don't think so.

You may be right.

Ted Cruz has one friend, and even he thinks Cruz is a backstabber.

New Republic may be wrong.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2016-04-12   10:47:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: cranky (#8)

Bad link.

And do you really think NewRepublic is an unbiased source? They were always libs and now that the Facebook homo-husband can't make it work (Chris Hughes?), they've tried to dump it.

They have all the credibility of National Enquirer at this point. I don't think they even have a token conservative on the staff any more as a fig leaf of objectivity.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-12   11:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: cranky (#8) (Edited)

I searched out that article at NR. It says no such thing. Lee never said that, was not even interviewed. And the "reporter" was NR's Culture Editor, for God's sake.

In short, it's a complete lie that Lee ever called Cruz a backstabber. Lee did endorse Cruz however.

Maybe you want to edit your post and redact it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-12   11:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: cranky (#0)

Trump's organization is as sloppy in Arkansas as elsewhere

There is the operative quote for Arkansas and in many other states where Trump was disinterested in doing the necessary prep.

"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato

tomder55  posted on  2016-04-12   12:50:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TooConservative, Stoner (#6)

The same kind of thinking that led to CO adopting this convention system is why WY and ND have very similar systems. And again, all of this was done long before anyone thought Trump had any chance of winning at all.

Corrupt rules created by a corrupt system only serve to further the corrupt system and the corrupt politicians who created said corrupt rules and system.

Rules that reek of disenfranchising the people should not be equated to empowering one man, one vote systems by stating "the rules are the rules."

The loser in this is the GOP establishment. Trump is beating them to death with an ugly stick. There is no way the GOPe can defend a blatantly corrupt system in a public relations battle. If Cruz falls much lower in NY, he will be in single digits. He is also in third in other northeast states, at catastrophically low numbers, as he hides in California.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Kasich is building the argument that he is the one to steal the nomination for if one wants to win in November.

Trump is the only one with an argument that the one with the most votes/delegates should get the nomination.

Cruz - what exactly is the argument to prefer losing with Cruz?

CONNECTICUT:

Trump vs. Clinton 	Emerson   Clinton 48,  Trump   40   Clinton + 8
Cruz vs. Clinton 	Emerson   Clinton 52,  Cruz    31   Clinton +21
Kasich vs. Clinton      Emerson   Kasich  49,  Clinton 38   Kasich  +11
Trump vs. Sanders 	Emerson   Sanders 49,  Trump   40   Sanders + 9
Cruz vs. Sanders 	Emerson   Sanders 55,  Cruz    30   Sanders +25
Kasich vs. Sanders      Emerson   Kasich  48,  Sanders 40   Kasich  + 8

nolu chan  posted on  2016-04-12   15:20:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: TooConservative, cranky, tomder55, ConservingFreedom, tpaine (#1)

If Trump is angling to get Kasich on board, perhaps by promising him the VP slot, Cruz could be angling to get Rubio on board by promising him the VP (or SecDef) slot.

Trump plus Kasich = 1237 = winner.

Cruz + Rubio + the rest = 1st loser.

Trump can make promises Cruz can't. One has the delegates to do so, and the other does not and will not.

Secretary of the Treasury or another position may be more attractive than VP.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-04-12   17:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: nolu chan (#13)

Trump + Sessions would be ideal.

rlk  posted on  2016-04-12   17:27:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: nolu chan (#13)

Trump plus Kasich = 1237 = winner.

Can any ticket with Kasich, even one that get the most votes, truly be called a 'winner'?

Besides, Kasich's delegates can probably be had for less than a VP slot.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2016-04-12   18:28:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TooConservative (#10)

Maybe you want to edit your post and redact it.

Nah.

It is what it is.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2016-04-12   18:30:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: nolu chan (#13)

Trump can make promises Cruz can't.

You might like his solemn written pledge to South Carolina that he will support the party's nominee no matter what?

A man of his word, he is not.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-12   21:26:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: TooConservative (#17)

You are not known as tooestablishment. For the time being.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-04-12   21:27:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: cranky (#0) (Edited)

Cruz, Rubio join forces in Arkansas to block Trump delegates

Question: Does my, or anybody else's, vote count for anything in any of this, or does it all boil down to various manipulators and manipulations?

What happened to the simple concept of an election where the lier with the most votes wins?

rlk  posted on  2016-04-13   16:33:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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