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The Establishments war on Donald Trump
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Title: Candidates with the muscle could alter GOP convention rules
Source: Associated Press
URL Source: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie ... AULT&CTIME=2016-04-11-13-00-02
Published: Apr 11, 2016
Author: Alan Fram
Post Date: 2016-04-11 13:24:03 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 4037
Comments: 32

With the Republican nominating convention less than 100 days away, the GOP's presidential candidate isn't the only thing still up for grabs. Also in play: The rules by which the nominee will be chosen.

Yet there's one certainty about the party's July gathering in Cleveland: A candidate, an alliance of candidates or party leaders backed by enough delegates will be able to change the procedures any way they want.

Front-runner Donald Trump has 743 of the 1,237 delegates needed to leave the GOP convention as nominee. His closest competitor, Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, is fewer than 200 delegates behind. Yet many top Republicans view both as certain losers who could cost them congressional seats.

A look at the rules governing the convention and how they could be altered to impact the nomination:

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AS IT STANDS

The GOP's 42 rules cover lots of terrain. They describe how delegates are divided among the 56 states and territories, who gets into the convention hall, who can be nominated, how votes are cast and how disputes are resolved.

These bylaws are temporary. This year's convention will be governed by whichever rules the delegates approve by majority vote when the four-day gathering begins July 18.

The Republican National Committee is already working on rules to present to the convention. But it's the convention delegates - initially a 112-member rules committee, two from each state and territory, then all 2,472 - who'll have final say.

Usually, each convention renews the rules with minor changes and little fanfare. They generally reflect the interests of the presumptive presidential nominee.

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CLEVELAND, WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM

This year, there may not be a presumptive nominee as the convention begins.

It's possible that this will be the GOP's first competitive convention since 1976, with no candidate controlling a majority of delegates. Candidates' campaigns would compete for support for rules advantageous to them, with behind-the-scenes bargaining rampant.

Trump and Cruz could have enough delegates combined to back rules making it virtually impossible for a third rival to emerge. On the other hand, Republicans looking to block the two leaders could seek support for rules making it easier for a savior like House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., who has voiced disinterest, to gallop in and become the nominee.

"The golden rule of conventions is he who has the votes makes the rules," said GOP operative John Yob, author of a book entitled, "Chaos: The Outsider's Guide to a Contested Republican National Convention, 2016."

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HIDDEN HAZARD

While most delegates must initially vote for the nominee they're elected to represent, they don't have to back that contender's preferred rules package. The candidates personally select only about a quarter of the delegates, leaving many who might secretly prefer a different contender. Campaigns are aggressively recruiting supporters to become delegates.

"Without knowing who the delegates are and who they're sympathetic to," said Josh Putnam, a University of Georgia lecturer and delegate process expert, "trying to assess what the convention is likely to do is next to impossible."

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NIGHTMARE SCENARIO

The nation's prime-time television viewers could end up watching bitter battles on the convention floor over contested delegates, rules and the party platform before they even get to nominations. Or they could view bored delegates killing time as deals are cut backstage, instead of speeches and choreographed displays of unity aimed at revving up voters. Endless roll calls, another possibility, are TV ratings killers.

"The single worst thing that can happen for Republicans is they reach Thursday and don't have a nominee," said Randy Evans, a Republican National Committee member and convention delegate from Georgia.

That might mean expired hotel reservations, delegates leaving and the convention having to halt and reconvene later. That would be a damaging, cumbersome and time-consuming process.

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TO BE NOMINATED

Currently, candidates are nominated by submitting petitions showing support by most delegates from eight states and territories.

That was changed for the 2012 convention from a lower bar: A plurality of signatures - more than any competitor - of five states' delegates. Backers of the 2012 presumptive nominee, Mitt Romney, forced that change to prevent time-consuming speeches by supporters of a vanquished contender, then Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas.

That rule could be weakened to allow more competition.

For now, Trump and Cruz appear likely to be the only candidates capable of rounding up majority support from eight states. That's not helpful for Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who is still campaigning, or for a fresh contender like Ryan to arise.

If no one gets a first ballot majority, things could quickly sour for Trump. While various state laws and rules "bind" around 9 in 10 delegates to vote for their candidate in the first round, about 7 in 10 are allowed to support whoever they want on the second ballot, with even more freed up later.

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OTHER POTENTIAL CHANGES

There could be efforts to:

-Let former contenders like Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., assign their delegates to a remaining candidate, a practice that now varies by state.

-Allow delegates bound to specified candidates to sign nominating petitions for others.

-Permit fresh presidential nominations if no one wins on the first ballot. Currently, voting continues until a winner emerges.

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#2. To: cranky, nolu chan, TooConservative, tpaine (#0)

There could be efforts to:

-Let former contenders like Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., assign their delegates to a remaining candidate, a practice that now varies by state.

Interesting. So some states' Rubio delegates can vote for someone else on the first ballot?

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-04-11   13:59:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: ConservingFreedom, cranky, TooConservative, tpaine (#2)

Interesting. So some states' Rubio delegates can vote for someone else on the first ballot?

As it stands now, Rubio's and Kasich's name could not be placed in nomination, nor any of the other miscellaneous candidates who picked off a few delegates.

Rule 40b is called the Ron Paul Rule as it was made by Romney supporters to prevent Ron Paul from being eligible to receive any votes.

So, who will have the muscle on the Rules Committee to control what changes are proposed to the body as a whole? Recall that Kasich and Trump just teamed up to shut Cruz out in a state from any delegate on the rules committee and Cruz cried that he was double-crossed by the Kasich campaign.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-04-11   14:55:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: nolu chan, , ConservingFreedom, cranky, TooConservative (#6)

ConservingFreedom --- Interesting. So some states' Rubio delegates can vote for someone else on the first ballot?

As it stands now, Rubio's and Kasich's name could not be placed in nomination, nor any of the other miscellaneous candidates who picked off a few delegates. - Nolu

Operative words, 'stands now'.

We must not forget that the rules can be changed BEFORE the first ballot, -- and probably will be...

tpaine  posted on  2016-04-11   16:52:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: tpaine, ConservingFreedom, cranky, TooConservative (#12)

We must not forget that the rules can be changed BEFORE the first ballot, -- and probably will be...

For sure, but what rules changes will be offered to the main body depends on who controls the Rules Committee. Then they have to get it passed by the main body.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-04-11   20:44:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: nolu chan (#23) (Edited)

We must not forget that the rules can be changed BEFORE the first ballot, -- and probably will be...

For sure, but what rules changes will be offered to the main body depends on who controls the Rules Committee. Then they have to get it passed by the main body.

Agreed. But some here seem to believe that Trump cannot possibly get control of the rules committee.

-- Or, failing that, mount a serious challenge to the GOPs apparent lock on those rules.

I think they're underestimating the Trump movement, and the American peoples will to rid itself of stupid party political rules.

tpaine  posted on  2016-04-11   21:03:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: tpaine (#25)

Agreed. But some here seem to believe that Trump cannot possibly get control of the rules committee.

Eliminating Rule 40b would be near suicide for Trump and Cruz, unless Trump has 1237 for the first ballot. It would be in their common interest to prevent such a party move. Over 80% of the delegates would nominally represent Trump/Cruz. If the party were able to influence the delegates to eliminate Rule 40b, it would be obviously be against the interest of candidate they represent.

Trump has a very loud and prominent bully pulpit. Whatever move they make will be made very, very public. Reince and the party will take a very public and embarrassing beatdown. Doing something is not the same as getting away with it.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-04-12   1:52:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: nolu chan (#30)

Reince and the party will take a very public and embarrassing beatdown.

Reince doesn't pick the members of the committee(s) but he does get to appoint the chairmen of those committees. And that is all the influence he has.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-12   5:33:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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