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Title: GOP elites' delusional plan for Cleveland
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Published: Apr 11, 2016
Author: Patrick J. Buchanan
Post Date: 2016-04-11 12:09:32 by tpaine
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GOP elites' delusional plan for Cleveland

Posted By Patrick J. Buchanan

On 04/07/2016 @ 6:52 pm

After winning only six delegates in Wisconsin, and with Ted Cruz poaching delegates in states he has won, like Louisiana, Donald Trump either wins on the first ballot at Cleveland, or Trump does not win.

Yet, as that huge, roaring reception he received in his first post-Wisconsin appearance in Bethpage, New York, testifies, the Donald remains not only the front-runner, but the most exciting figure in the race.

Moreover, after the New York, New England, mid-Atlantic and California primaries, Trump should be within striking distance of the 1,237 delegates needed for the nomination.

He will then have to persuade uncommitted delegates to back him, and perhaps do a deal with one of the defeated candidates, Marco Rubio or John Kasich, to win the remaining few needed to go over the top.

In 1976, Ronald Reagan, shy of the delegates he needed to defeat President Ford, offered second place on his ticket to Sen. Richard Schweiker, a moderate from Pennsylvania.

This brainstorm of Reagan campaign manager John Sears did not produce the required delegates, and Reagan received an envelope from a conservative congressman with 30 dimes in it – 30 pieces of silver.

Still, Reagan was right to roll the dice.

But assume Trump reaches 1,237 on the first ballot.

Would the GOP establishment accept his leadership, back his ticket and help to bring together all the elements – nationalist, tea party, conservative and moderate – of a grand coalition to defeat Hillary Clinton?

Or would the establishment refuse to endorse Trump, ensure his defeat, and hope to pick up the pieces of a shattered party, as Govs. Nelson Rockefeller and George Romney assumed they would do after they deserted Barry Goldwater in 1964.

Prediction: If the GOP establishment does collude to steal the nomination from the candidate who has won the most states, most delegates and most votes, not only could the party be crushed in November, but that establishment could be discredited in perpetuity.

For those who have come out for Trump, and have given the GOP the largest turnouts of any party in a primary season in history, will not be give their allegiance to a Beltway elite that cheated them of the prize they had won.

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Sullen and angry, they will be going home, not soon to return.

An establishment embrace of a rule-or-ruin course – Better to lose, than win with Trump! – seems irrational. But it is not irrational if one’s pre-eminence and position are the summum bonum of one’s political existence.

To avoid the Hobbesian choice – back Trump or abandon Trump – the establishment must block him from a first-ballot victory. And indispensable to the Anybody-But-Trump coalition is Ted Cruz, whom the establishment, if possible, detests even more than Trump.

One testament to the esteem in which Cruz is held is that only two of his 53 Senate GOP colleagues have endorsed him, and one of these, Lindsey Graham, did so as the lesser of two evils.

Here is the second peril for the GOP elites.

If Trump is stopped on the first ballot, the delegates who leave him on the second ballot may go to Cruz, and the stampede could be on.

Yet, it is hard to see how a Cruz nomination is better for the party than a Trump nomination.

For Cruz cannot win in Cleveland, unless the man with the most votes and delegates is deprived of a nomination to which he has a far stronger claim, if this country remains a democratic republic.

A Cruz victory in Cleveland would likely lead to the angry and bitter departure of the Trump delegates, and, in the fall, to a mass defection of the blue-collar, Middle-American Trump voters, especially above the Mason-Dixon line where Cruz is already weak.

The latest poll of Republicans in New York has Trump above 50 percent, with Cruz running third at 17 percent. Even in the South, which was to be Ted Cruz’s firewall, Trump beat him repeatedly.

And while Cruz can claim to be a more reliable conservative than Trump, how does that translate into electoral votes in the fall?

Is the Republican establishment, having been repudiated in the primaries in a historic turnout by the party base, now engaged in a willful act of self-deception?

Can that establishment believe it can rob Trump of a nomination he has all but won, then hold off a right-wing Cruz surge that would ensue, then trot out of the stable one of its own, Speaker Paul Ryan, crown him at the convention, and then win in November?

This is delusional. And what this tells us is, to borrow from The Gipper, that the Republican establishment is not the solution to the party’s problems; the Republican establishment is the problem.

While the GOP appears headed for a train wreck in Cleveland, the principal ingredients of a Republican victory and a Republican future will all be present there: Cruz conservatives and tea party types, Trumpite nationalists and populists, Rubio-Kasich-Bush centrists and moderates.

Political statesmanship could yet bring about unity, and victory.

Unfortunately, the smart money is on ego getting in the way.

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#2. To: tpaine (#0)

He will then have to persuade uncommitted delegates to back him, and perhaps do a deal with one of the defeated candidates, Marco Rubio or John Kasich, to win the remaining few needed to go over the top.

This idea of doing a deal with Rubio or Kasich won't work on the first ballot under normal RNC rules. I thought this might work until I dug into the rules more.

The only way that might work would be if the rules committee allowed a candidate to swing his bound delegates to Trump on the first convention ballot. So, for instance, Trump (who is doing deals with Kasich on rules committee slots) could conspire in committee to change the rules so that Kasich could deliver his own bound delegates to Trump on the very first ballot and make it to 1237. This would be outside the rules used in every GOP convention but they might try it. However, the rules voted in the committee still have to be ratified by the entire convention. I'm not sure that it would fly with the entire convention to let Trump/Kasich do this kind of deal, in part because it would look so corrupt to the public.

I'd like to see an analysis by the rules of the relevant states for how long delegates are bound to Kasich and to Rubio (Rubio won delegates in various states, all with different delegate rules). And while we might assume that a majority of their delegates will vote as Rubio/Kasich asks them to vote, that may not be true at all. It seems very unlikely that all of those Rubio/Kasich delegates will vote as Rubio/Kasich ask them to once they become unbound delegates.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-11   13:31:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: TooConservative, tpaine (#2)

This idea of doing a deal with Rubio or Kasich won't work on the first ballot under normal RNC rules. I thought this might work until I dug into the rules more.

The only way that might work would be if the rules committee allowed a candidate to swing his bound delegates to Trump on the first convention ballot.

I believe this is a misreading of the rules.

If Rubio or Kasich did not have his name placed in nomination, wouldn't his delegates be forced to vote for someone who had been placed in nomination?

nolu chan  posted on  2016-04-11   13:48:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: nolu chan, TooConservative, tpaine (#3)

If Rubio or Kasich did not have his name placed in nomination, wouldn't his delegates be forced to vote for someone who had been placed in nomination?

Or does "bound" mean that if they can't vote for "their" guy they can't vote? I don't know.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-04-11   13:55:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: ConservingFreedom, nolu chan (#4) (Edited)

Under Rule 16 on page 19, we have this:

(2) For any manner of binding or allocating delegates under these rules, if a delegate (i) casts a vote for a presidential candidate at the national convention inconsistent with the delegate’s obligation under state law or state party rule, (ii) nominates or demonstrates support under Rule No. 40 for a presidential candidate other than the one to whom the delegate is bound or allocated under state law or state party rule, or (iii) fails in some other way to carry out the delegate’s affirmative duty under state law or state party rule to cast a vote at the national convention for a particular presidential candidate, the delegate shall be deemed to have concurrently resigned as a delegate and the delegate’s improper vote or nomination shall be null and void. Thereafter the secretary of the convention shall record the delegate’s vote or nomination in accordance with the delegate’s obligation under state law or state party rule. This subsection does not apply to delegates who are bound to a candidate who has withdrawn his or her candidacy, suspended or terminated his or her campaign, or publicly released his or her delegates.

As I said before, a faithless delegate can be removed and the secretary will enter the proper bound vote for that delegate. And they would likely be ejected from the convention altogether and sent home in disgrace.

I underlined the portion that would apply to Rubio's delegates and why he is writing those letters to the state parties not to release his delegates.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-11   16:59:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: TooConservative, ConservingFreedom (#9)

I underlined the portion that would apply to Rubio's delegates and why he is writing those letters to the state parties not to release his delegates.

As I said before, a faithless delegate can be removed and the secretary will enter the proper bound vote for that delegate.

A delegate is not a "faithless" delegate if the candidate he was bound to is not placed in nomination. He cannot cast a vote for someone who is not placed in nomination. A candidate can publicly release his delegates, but he cannot bind them to vote for somebody else.

Rubio wants to hold his delegates until he can make a deal, promising to persuade as many as he can to vote the "right" way.

If Rule 40b is not changed by the Rules Committee, his bargaining power gets greatly reduced. He could make a deal before the committee meeting, e.g. to put Trump over 1237.

nolu chan  posted on  2016-04-11   21:00:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: nolu chan (#23)

He could make a deal before the committee meeting, e.g. to put Trump over 1237.

But he would have no guarantee that Trump wouldn't just dump him.

And Rubio, in particular, really burned bridges with Trump for being his VP. So did most of the others like Jindal, Graham, Paul, Bush, etc. They went way beyond what Bush Senior said about Reagan and voodoo economics.

Kasich has made some remarks about Trump but he hasn't really crossed the line so much that he could never be Trump's VP. I'd say he's come close talking about Trump's lack of fitness for the office and similar stuff. It's hard to pick a guy for VP after that because the Dims will make endless ads out of what the VP said about his own nominee. And it undermines anything the VP says to advocate for the nominee.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-11   21:18:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: TooConservative (#24)

Kasich has made some remarks about Trump but he hasn't really crossed the line so much that he could never be Trump's VP

You fag lovers would love Kasich.

Kasich should go jump in the river.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-04-11   21:21:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#27. To: A K A Stone (#25)

You fag lovers would love Kasich.

I've said repeatedly that I don't like Kasich. He did do some decent budget work in the House 20 years ago. Since then, he's gotten a lot more liberal. And, like the Stain, he loves getting libmedia compliments when he bashes up the conservative wing of the GOP for them to quote endlessly.

But isn't Kasich your problem? I certainly don't live in Ohio, never had a chance to vote for or against him. Why don't you do something about Kasich?

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