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Title: GOP elites' delusional plan for Cleveland
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Published: Apr 11, 2016
Author: Patrick J. Buchanan
Post Date: 2016-04-11 12:09:32 by tpaine
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GOP elites' delusional plan for Cleveland

Posted By Patrick J. Buchanan

On 04/07/2016 @ 6:52 pm

After winning only six delegates in Wisconsin, and with Ted Cruz poaching delegates in states he has won, like Louisiana, Donald Trump either wins on the first ballot at Cleveland, or Trump does not win.

Yet, as that huge, roaring reception he received in his first post-Wisconsin appearance in Bethpage, New York, testifies, the Donald remains not only the front-runner, but the most exciting figure in the race.

Moreover, after the New York, New England, mid-Atlantic and California primaries, Trump should be within striking distance of the 1,237 delegates needed for the nomination.

He will then have to persuade uncommitted delegates to back him, and perhaps do a deal with one of the defeated candidates, Marco Rubio or John Kasich, to win the remaining few needed to go over the top.

In 1976, Ronald Reagan, shy of the delegates he needed to defeat President Ford, offered second place on his ticket to Sen. Richard Schweiker, a moderate from Pennsylvania.

This brainstorm of Reagan campaign manager John Sears did not produce the required delegates, and Reagan received an envelope from a conservative congressman with 30 dimes in it – 30 pieces of silver.

Still, Reagan was right to roll the dice.

But assume Trump reaches 1,237 on the first ballot.

Would the GOP establishment accept his leadership, back his ticket and help to bring together all the elements – nationalist, tea party, conservative and moderate – of a grand coalition to defeat Hillary Clinton?

Or would the establishment refuse to endorse Trump, ensure his defeat, and hope to pick up the pieces of a shattered party, as Govs. Nelson Rockefeller and George Romney assumed they would do after they deserted Barry Goldwater in 1964.

Prediction: If the GOP establishment does collude to steal the nomination from the candidate who has won the most states, most delegates and most votes, not only could the party be crushed in November, but that establishment could be discredited in perpetuity.

For those who have come out for Trump, and have given the GOP the largest turnouts of any party in a primary season in history, will not be give their allegiance to a Beltway elite that cheated them of the prize they had won.

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Sullen and angry, they will be going home, not soon to return.

An establishment embrace of a rule-or-ruin course – Better to lose, than win with Trump! – seems irrational. But it is not irrational if one’s pre-eminence and position are the summum bonum of one’s political existence.

To avoid the Hobbesian choice – back Trump or abandon Trump – the establishment must block him from a first-ballot victory. And indispensable to the Anybody-But-Trump coalition is Ted Cruz, whom the establishment, if possible, detests even more than Trump.

One testament to the esteem in which Cruz is held is that only two of his 53 Senate GOP colleagues have endorsed him, and one of these, Lindsey Graham, did so as the lesser of two evils.

Here is the second peril for the GOP elites.

If Trump is stopped on the first ballot, the delegates who leave him on the second ballot may go to Cruz, and the stampede could be on.

Yet, it is hard to see how a Cruz nomination is better for the party than a Trump nomination.

For Cruz cannot win in Cleveland, unless the man with the most votes and delegates is deprived of a nomination to which he has a far stronger claim, if this country remains a democratic republic.

A Cruz victory in Cleveland would likely lead to the angry and bitter departure of the Trump delegates, and, in the fall, to a mass defection of the blue-collar, Middle-American Trump voters, especially above the Mason-Dixon line where Cruz is already weak.

The latest poll of Republicans in New York has Trump above 50 percent, with Cruz running third at 17 percent. Even in the South, which was to be Ted Cruz’s firewall, Trump beat him repeatedly.

And while Cruz can claim to be a more reliable conservative than Trump, how does that translate into electoral votes in the fall?

Is the Republican establishment, having been repudiated in the primaries in a historic turnout by the party base, now engaged in a willful act of self-deception?

Can that establishment believe it can rob Trump of a nomination he has all but won, then hold off a right-wing Cruz surge that would ensue, then trot out of the stable one of its own, Speaker Paul Ryan, crown him at the convention, and then win in November?

This is delusional. And what this tells us is, to borrow from The Gipper, that the Republican establishment is not the solution to the party’s problems; the Republican establishment is the problem.

While the GOP appears headed for a train wreck in Cleveland, the principal ingredients of a Republican victory and a Republican future will all be present there: Cruz conservatives and tea party types, Trumpite nationalists and populists, Rubio-Kasich-Bush centrists and moderates.

Political statesmanship could yet bring about unity, and victory.

Unfortunately, the smart money is on ego getting in the way.

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#2. To: tpaine (#0)

He will then have to persuade uncommitted delegates to back him, and perhaps do a deal with one of the defeated candidates, Marco Rubio or John Kasich, to win the remaining few needed to go over the top.

This idea of doing a deal with Rubio or Kasich won't work on the first ballot under normal RNC rules. I thought this might work until I dug into the rules more.

The only way that might work would be if the rules committee allowed a candidate to swing his bound delegates to Trump on the first convention ballot. So, for instance, Trump (who is doing deals with Kasich on rules committee slots) could conspire in committee to change the rules so that Kasich could deliver his own bound delegates to Trump on the very first ballot and make it to 1237. This would be outside the rules used in every GOP convention but they might try it. However, the rules voted in the committee still have to be ratified by the entire convention. I'm not sure that it would fly with the entire convention to let Trump/Kasich do this kind of deal, in part because it would look so corrupt to the public.

I'd like to see an analysis by the rules of the relevant states for how long delegates are bound to Kasich and to Rubio (Rubio won delegates in various states, all with different delegate rules). And while we might assume that a majority of their delegates will vote as Rubio/Kasich asks them to vote, that may not be true at all. It seems very unlikely that all of those Rubio/Kasich delegates will vote as Rubio/Kasich ask them to once they become unbound delegates.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-11   13:31:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: TooConservative, tpaine (#2)

This idea of doing a deal with Rubio or Kasich won't work on the first ballot under normal RNC rules. I thought this might work until I dug into the rules more.

The only way that might work would be if the rules committee allowed a candidate to swing his bound delegates to Trump on the first convention ballot.

I believe this is a misreading of the rules.

If Rubio or Kasich did not have his name placed in nomination, wouldn't his delegates be forced to vote for someone who had been placed in nomination?

nolu chan  posted on  2016-04-11   13:48:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: nolu chan (#3)

If Rubio or Kasich did not have his name placed in nomination, wouldn't his delegates be forced to vote for someone who had been placed in nomination?

I think they simply don't get to vote until they are unbound by the laws/rules of their state.

You recall Rubio in particular sending letters to various states, demanding that they not unbind his delegates because he suspended his campaign.

That would indicate that in some, perhaps most, states the delegates won by candidates who have dropped out become unbound. But Rubio is attempting to keep them bound to him. So, since Rubio will not have enough votes to even appear on any convention ballot, he must think there is a chance the rules will change or that he can persuade his delegates (most of them anyway) to vote as he wants them to vote when they do become unbound.

Rubio is playing a game and a strategy. It just isn't clear what it is and how the various state laws on bound delegates affect that.

The most obvious thing would be Rubio keeps them bound to the convention, corrals them together, persuades them to vote as a bloc for either Cruz or Trump if Rubio promised the VP slot. Then Rubio would come out and endorse the nominee and then the nominee would pick Rubio for veep.

Anyway, that's the only thing that makes much sense to me.

Kasich might play a similar game.

I suppose it gets even more interesting if Kasich cuts a deal with Trump to be his VP and Rubio cuts a deal with Cruz to be his VP. Cruz will be ~100 delegates behind Trump (I think) but Kasich will only have 50 and Rubio will have his 171. So the nightmare could continue or even get worse.

Of course, Priebus and the RNC would be having heart attacks. LOL

I think it is more likely that the delegates will go big for either Trump on the first ballot or for Cruz on the second ballot. The unbound delegates will feel they have to try to save the party by making it decisive and making it happen quick. The delegates are, first and foremost, party creatures. They do not intend to go to Cleveland to form the burial detail for the party of Lincoln. And they want a nominee that has at least some chance to beat Hitlery. Beyond that, they really are creatures of the state parties and they are looking at their 24 Senate to defend, governor races, congressional races, their city council races, sheriff races, state legislative races, etc. They want to win all of those and they want the GOP nominee to be a plus. If not a plus, they won't pick one that drags the party down to a Goldwater (or Mondale) scale defeat in the fall.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-11   14:10:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: TooConservative, nolu chan, Y'ALL (#6)

Kasich could deliver his own bound delegates to Trump on the very first ballot and make it to 1237. This would be outside the rules used in every GOP convention but they might try it.--- TC

nolu chan --- If Rubio or Kasich did not have his name placed in nomination, wouldn't his delegates be forced to vote for someone who had been placed in nomination?

TC --- I think they simply don't get to vote until they are unbound by the laws/rules of their state.

Would not the election laws of their state supersede state party or convention rules?

tpaine  posted on  2016-04-11   17:13:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: tpaine (#10) (Edited)

Would not the election laws of their state supersede state party or convention rules?

They would only have to face the consequences, likely misdemeanors, once they went home.     : )

The same kind of thing applies to faithless electors in the actual Electoral College. But it almost never happens.

As seen in the rule I posted above, if a delegate is bound the convention secretary will record their vote as if they did vote as required. So there is little reason for any delegate to disqualify themselves that way.

Also, the election laws of their state as they apply to bound delegates were written by their own state party for both Dems and GOPs who allow each other to do as they please.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-11   17:25:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TooConservative (#11)

Would not the election laws of their state supersede state party or convention rules?

They would only have to face the consequences, likely misdemeanors, once they went home.

Thus, dissatisfied delegates could vote to change the rules -- BEFORE the first ballot. -- And face little or no penalty.

tpaine  posted on  2016-04-11   17:47:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: tpaine, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#12) (Edited)

Thus, dissatisfied delegates could vote to change the rules -- BEFORE the first ballot.

-- And face little or no penalty.

Traditionally the voice vote is decided by the RNC, BEFORE it's taken and the predetermined fraudulent result displayed on the teleprompter is announced. If the RNC elites want a rules change, then they get one. What anyone else wants is ignored.

There is no penalty because fraud is legal since the GOP is a private organization, which loves, encourages, and promotes fraud. They prefer lies over truth. It's legal to screw We the People, and they do so frequently.

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