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Title: Trump claims Republican Party is 'disenfranchising people' with 'crooked shenanigans' as Cruz picks up delegates in states where the billionaire won more votes
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Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... tes-billionaire-won-votes.html
Published: Apr 10, 2016
Author: David Martosko, Us Political Editor In R
Post Date: 2016-04-10 19:02:23 by cranky
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Views: 8272
Comments: 48
Donald Trump has warned Republican elites that his supporters know they are being 'disenfranchised' through the 'crooked shenanigans' of the GOP's delegate selection process. 'You know what? They're taking your vote away. They're disenfranchising people,' he said in between chants of 'USA!', 'we want Trump!' and 'build that wall!' among 10,000 fnas crammed into a private aviation hangar in Rochester, New York. 'I say this to the RNC and I say it to the Republican Party: You're going to have a big problem, folks, because the people don't like what's going on, Trump warned. Trump had previously forecast 'riots' among the GOP's rank and file if he won more elected primary delegates than any other Republican candidate but were still denied the nomination. Scroll down for video FIRING BACK: Donald Trump warned the GOP not to monkey with the delegate process on Sunday, saying it's unfair when he wins the popular vote in some states but trails there in delegate counts 'CROOKED SHENANIGANS': Trump pointed the finger at the Republican National Committee 'What we have going is a movement,' he said. 'Now, they're trying to subvert the movement. They can't do it with bodies. They can't do it with people because they don't have near the people that we have. So what they're trying to do is subvert the movement with crooked shenanigans. And we're just not going to let it happen.' Trump said he 'should win' the Republican presidential nomination outright 'before we get to the convention' in July. But on the heels of a series of statewide victories by his rival Ted Cruz that were the result of political arm-twisting, not ballot-casting, Trump appeared to be running out of patience. One such state, Louisiana, saw the billionaire win unexpectedly by more than three per cent last month. But because Cruz's staffers showed up to take part in the Republican Party's post-election procedural wrangling, the Texas senator may go to the convention with more of the state's delegates than Trump. 'We've got a corrupt system,' Trump told supporters on Sunday. 'It's not right. We're supposed to be a democracy. We're supposed to be: You vote and the vote means something, all right? You vote, and the vote means something. And we've got to do something about it.' 'We should have won a long time ago but we keep losing where we're winning. Today winning votes doesn't mean anything,' he said. 'LYIN' TED' CRUZ: The Texas senator has become Trump's main foil as his staff works to outmaneuver Trump's for delegates not appointed in popular-vote elections DEVOTED: A 10,000-strong crowd of people crammed into a private aviation hangar in Rochester, New York, for Trump's speech 'I win Louisiana ... then I find out that I get less delegates than Cruz because of some nonsense going on?' 'We've got to have a system where voting means something,' he said later. 'Doesn't voting mean something?' But the real estate tycoon put a brave face on his back-room losses, insisting that 'I think we're going to be fine. We're doing really well'. He also expressed some unusual solidarity with Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, the far-left democratic socialist who has provided Hillary Clinton's only competition in the Democratic Party primary process. Despite a run of eight primary and caucus wins in the last nine votes, Sanders is still trailing the former secretary of state – largely on the strength of 'superdelegates' - the party bosses and elected officials whose seat at their convention isn't decided by voters. Clinton long ago sewed up the support of most of that group. 'In all fairness, take a look at what happens with Bernie,' Trump said. 'He wins, he wins, he wins, he wins, and I hear he doesn't have a chance. This is a crooked system, folks.' While allowing that 'I'm not a fan of Bernie', Trump compared his own situation to that of Sanders. 'He wins, and he wins. Like me! I've won twice as much as Cruz,' Trump said. 'I've won millions and millions of votes more. People who have never voted are coming out to vote for Trump. 'Why doesn't he have a chance?' he asked, referring to Sanders. 'Because the system is corrupt. And it's worse on the Republican side. ... Whether it's me or whether it's Bernie Sanders, when I look at it and I see all these victories that I have, and all the victories that he's got ... it's a corrupt thing going on.' Trump called on his followers to come out in droves for the New York primary on June 19. 'We need a great show of strength,' he said. 'You've gotta go out and you've gotta go vote en masse.' BERNIE'S BFF? Trump said Sanders doesn't have a chance in the Democratic primary process for the same reason he's being sidelined in the Republican race: a 'corrupt' nominating system WIND CHILL: Temperatures outside in Rochester were in the high 30s to low 40s as Trump spoke to about 10,000 people on Sunday Trump is already polling at 54 per cent in the Empire State, according to a Fox News poll released Sunday. That is a political universe away from Ohio Governor John Kasich's 22 per cent. Cruz, whose campaigning has been hapless in New York, is polling a distant third with just 15 per cent. Trump made one bit of odd news on Sunday, saying one-time Republican gubernatorial candidate Carl Paladino had asked him to run for governor, but he declined because he knew he would be running for president this year. 'I sort of said, "I'm sorry, but I'm doing something else",' he recalled. 'I didn't want to say – this is what the something else was.' The last such election in New York came in 2014, four years after Paladino lost to current governor Andrew Cuomo. Trump left a trail of bread crumbs as a hint about his intentions even earlier, filing for trademark protection for his 'Make America Great Again' slogan less than two weeks after the 2012 election. He said if he had run for governor, people in western New York 'would have been fracking by now', a reference to Cuomo's refusal to green-light new natural gas exploration. 'We're going to get it straightened out, one way or another,' he pledged. 
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#1. To: cranky (#0)
More of Trump's veiled thuggishness. He wouldn't have this problem if he'd organized a real national campaign down to the grassroots, like every other nominee for over a century has. And every time Cruz beats him, he alleges fraud. Every. Single. Time. What a crybaby. Now he wants to threaten riots and lawsuits if the GOP won't cave to his thuggishness. Or his henchman Roger Stone will send people to "visit" the national delegates at their hotel rooms if they don't "vote the right way". And Trump can't figure out why the GOP dislikes him so much?
The rnc is calling his bluff. It's getting very close to the time when Trump will have to put up or shut up. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
I can explain that. They dislike him because he is connecting with the american people and not the GOP and Democrat connected elite who don't want to lose their little money game they got going. Ted Cruse and Hillary Clinton are connected to the rest of the worthless crud in DC. The american people are tired of what has been happening in this country for the last 20 years. This country has been at almost constant war of some kind since it was founded. These wars has killed a lot of people on both sides and cost the american people billion's of dollars in taxes. I believe if Trump is elected we will see another grassy knoll event.
bye, see you after the elections.
`eth yalad `eth muwth.
Trump has a valid point. The GOP is as crooked as he ever was.
Real soon, the GOP is gonna love him. When it's clear that Trump is the GOP's ONLY HOPE. Viability and WINNING talks, bullshit walks... period. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
ROTFL ... good one, GI.
No they will just be lying. I hope he destroys them all. I hope he uses the NSA to ruin them with leaks about their personal lives and corruption.
Trump has made it virtually impossible for the GOP to accept him as a nominee.
Hey, maybe he could use the IRS against them as his personal political machine. Would that be okay with you?
He doesn't have a point. He's a big crybaby who refused to spend the money and take the time to build campaigns in every state (part of every campaign) then complains when Cruz runs circles around him in corralling delegates. At this point, I doubt there is a single RNC member or unbound state delegate who will ever support Trump.
Would that be okay with you? Against you. Yes.
So you think it's fine to use the IRS as a political weapon against opponents, just like the 0bama crew does. This is my total lack of surprise.
Nah. He alleges corruption. Correctly. "And Trump can't figure out why the GOP dislikes him so much?" Ah. Is THAT when they started hating Trump? I could have swown they started long ago, and Trump is only now reacting to their skulduggery.
And I doubt you realize this makes no difference whatsoever to Trump supporters. Go ahead. Play your games. And watch the GOP cease to exust as a party.
Better that than to acquiece to an orange-skinned freak and his gang of elderly Brown Shirts. The very fact that you think your only route to success is via making threats (instead of persuasion) reveals a great deal about your character and that of your candidate. Another reason why Donald Trump will never be the GOP nominee, no matter what.
That's probably the most coherent, albeit pathetic, argument you've made against Trump. "The very fact that you think your only route to success is via making threats ..." Not a threat. A prediction. Of what will happen if you continue to think that your only route to success is through backroom deceit and chicanery. "Another reason why Donald Trump will never be the GOP nominee, no matter what. He should be, and will be, the GOP nominess because he has the most delegates PICKED BY THE VOTERS. F**k your smoke-filled-room deals.
What you call "backroom deceit and chicanery" are the legal procedures of the many state GOP parties and their internal rules which, like any private organization, are not subject to regulation or court supervision. This is a private primary, not a public general election. I think you Trump chumps are as dumb as he is and don't understand there is a vast difference between those two things. The primaries are played by the varying rules and procedures (buttressed by laws in the various states) of these private clubs we call the state GOP parties. Part of earning the nomination is demonstrating you can build campaign organizations and prevail in all those states. What you don't do is fail to do the slogging in the trenches and then make threats to riot or beat up delegates because you were to lazy to do your homework or you were too cheap to hire some smart kids to do it for you. A major purpose of the protracted campaign season is for candidates to demonstrate their ability to build organizations in all the states and a credible GOTV effort. If you don't do that, you won't be the nominee. Even Grant and Eisenhower had to do it (or get others with experience to help them do it). Without 1237 delegates, he will not be and cannot be the GOP nominee. Period. Maybe he should have taken his campaign organization more seriously and hired people to safeguard his delegates, like any other candidate would. Hell, Rubio dropped out and he is still guarding his delegates. (That would be because he isn't a retard, BTW.)
WE understand. YOU don't. You think you can privately write the private rules to nominate your private candidate and we will go along with that in the public election. WRONG!
Run at public expense.
Technically, not on the first ballot. But if Trump is close to that number and he doesn't END UP with the nomination, there will be hell to pay.
You're trying to have a discussion with a profoundly ignorant and dishonest individual.
Run at public expense. Exactly so. No one ever said it was perfect. The two major parties have, for their convenience, arranged it this way. And it also tends to exclude indy candidates and third parties.
Yeah, yeah, rioting. Thugs "visiting" the hotel rooms of delegates. Blah-blah-blah. The GOP isn't going to cave to a pack of Brown Shirts.
Conventions. Are you ever right about anything?
There are many other ways to destroy political careers.
Supporting Trump being the primary one at present.
New post, new lie. Same old, same old.
I don't know if you read it, but I posted that he reminded me of Michael Douglas in The War of the Roses (great movie) -- the scene where he says, "I got more square footage". A technicality that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. He is wetting his pants thinking that he's found a loophole whereby Trump can be defeated by a technicality, written by some rules committee in secret.
At this point, the GOPe will face new resistance regardless of whether or not they can steal the primary.
There may be rioting, but I wasn't alluding to that. Trump delegates may simply walk out of the convention. Republicans may burn their voter cards and leave the party. Republicans simply won't vote in the election for anyone -- President or Congress. Trump may run third party or as a write-in candidate. Some may actually vote for Hillary as a F**k You vote. Donations will shrivel up, meaning no money for campaigns ... for ANY Republican candidate. The party will cease to exist. THAT'S what I meant.
No, I think Trump will fail to make it to 1237 and the convention will reject him on any and every ballot. Either he wins it on the first ballot or he gets rejected. If any dirty tricks are to be played, my expectation (which has been no secret) is that Lindsey Graham will have a few of the SC delegates ready to go into the courtroom of a friendly SC judge to allege that Trump has broken his solemn written pledge to SC to support the eventual nominee of the GOP, no matter who it is. And since Trump was the only winner in winner-take-all SC, it would only apply to the 50 delegates he won there (and not to any other candidate like Cruz who has indicated some doubts about supporting Trump after he attacked Cruz's wife directly). Then, after getting the SC court to legally recognize the SC delegates as unbound, the SC delegation would go before the rules committee to demand that they be recognized officially as unbound delegates. IMO, that is the dirty trick that Trump fanbois should be watching for. I'd almost bet money that Lady Lindsey has the briefs all drawn up and ready to submit right now. He's entirely capable of it. Hell, he's even supporting Cruz just to stop Trump, holding fundraisers with his own donors for Cruz. Just what wouldn't he do to stop Trump? This is why I've said before that Trump had better have 1287 delegates locked down before the convention. Because if you know anything about Lindsey Graham, you know he's perfectly capable of such a plot. So there you have it. My actual opinions, not just the usual bilge you Trumpkins make up out of thin air when someone says something you don't like.
Okay, we'll all just commit suicide over Donald Trump. Fine with me. I'd prefer it to allowing that freak anywhere near the WH. Start mixing the Koolaid, Reverend Jim. You take the first glass.
Burn the house down because you don't like someone's complexion. Do you read what you write? I hope you put plastic over your keyboard so your drool doesn't short it out.
I'm simply echoing you. You want to form the circular firing squad, fine. But Trump will not be the GOP nominee, no matter what. No amount of rioting, or thugs sent to intimidate delegates, or walkouts will change that.
I'm saying that Republican voters expect the candidate with the lion's share of the delegates -- picked by them -- to get the nomination. You think by citing Rule 27 and Sub-Committee Resolution 42 and Procedure 6a will allow the GOPe to anoint Paul Ryan with the nomination and Trump's supporters will accept that? Because, hey, rules are rules?
The nominee will have 1237 delegates. No less. No one gives a crap what the voters think. Most of them know nothing of party rules that have been in place since the Whig party. You must have a majority of delegates. Period. Even when Dishonest Abe rigged the 1860 convention with his own handpicked delegates, he still had to have the majority of delegates. Just like the Whigs did before they fell apart. It's one of the rules that never changes.
Yep. All they'll see is that they were screwed. And they will revolt while you stand there screaming, "But Rule 26! Rule 26!"
If you demand the nomination without a majority, then you get nothing. 1237 is not a ridiculously high number. It is a simple majority.
I'm saying that if Trump is denied the nomination despite having a plurality after the first vote, the average Trump voter will feel as though they've been screwed by the establishment and will act accordingly.
Yeah, yeah, rioting and mayhem. Local farm animals defiled. Got it. No one will be the nominee without 1237 delegates. Period.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest'I say this to the RNC and I say it to the Republican Party: You're going to have a big problem, folks, because the people don't like what's going on, Trump warned.
#2. To: TooConservative (#1)
Now he wants to threaten riots and lawsuits if the GOP won't cave to his thuggishness. Or his henchman Roger Stone will send people to "visit" the national delegates at their hotel rooms if they don't "vote the right way".
#3. To: TooConservative (#1)
And Trump can't figure out why the GOP dislikes him so much?
#4. To: TooConservative (#1)
#5. To: TooConservative (#1)
What a crybaby
#6. To: TooConservative (#1)
And Trump can't figure out why the GOP dislikes him so much?
#7. To: GrandIsland (#6)
Real soon, the GOP is gonna love him. When it's clear that Trump is the GOP's ONLY HOPE.
#8. To: GrandIsland (#6)
Real soon, the GOP is gonna love him.
#9. To: GrandIsland (#6)
Real soon, the GOP is gonna love him. When it's clear that Trump is the GOP's ONLY HOPE.
#10. To: A K A Stone (#8)
I hope he destroys them all. I hope he uses the NSA to ruin them with leaks about their personal lives and corruption.
#11. To: buckeroo (#5)
Trump has a valid point. The GOP is as crooked as he ever was.
#12. To: TooConservative (#10)
Hey, maybe he could use the IRS against them as his personal political machine.
#13. To: A K A Stone (#12)
#14. To: TooConservative (#1)
"And every time Cruz beats him, he alleges fraud."
#15. To: TooConservative (#11)
"At this point, I doubt there is a single RNC member or unbound state delegate who will ever support Trump."
#16. To: misterwhite (#15)
And watch the GOP cease to exust as a party.
#17. To: TooConservative (#16)
"Better that than to acquiece to an orange-skinned freak and his gang of elderly Brown Shirts."
#18. To: misterwhite (#17)
(Edited)
Not a threat. A prediction. Of what will happen if you continue to think that your only route to success is through backroom deceit and chicanery.
He should be, and will be, the GOP nominess because he has the most delegates PICKED BY THE VOTERS. F**k your smoke-filled-room deals.
#19. To: TooConservative (#18)
"This is a private primary, not a public general election ... don't understand there is a vast difference between those two things."
#20. To: TooConservative (#18)
This is a private primary
#21. To: TooConservative (#18)
"Without 1237 delegates, he will not be and cannot be the GOP nominee. Period."
#22. To: misterwhite (#19)
"like any private organization, are not subject to regulation or court supervision" -TC
#23. To: Roscoe (#20)
This is a private primary
#24. To: misterwhite (#21)
But if Trump is close to that number and he doesn't END UP with the nomination, there will be hell to pay.
#25. To: TooConservative (#23)
Exactly so.
#26. To: TooConservative (#24)
Yeah, yeah, rioting.
#27. To: Roscoe (#26)
There are many other ways to destroy political careers.
#28. To: TooConservative (#27)
Supporting Trump being the primary one at present.
#29. To: Roscoe (#22)
"You're trying to have a discussion with a profoundly ignorant and dishonest individual."
#30. To: misterwhite (#29)
#31. To: TooConservative (#24)
"Yeah, yeah, rioting. Thugs "visiting" the hotel rooms of delegates. Blah-blah-blah."
#32. To: misterwhite (#29)
He is wetting his pants thinking that he's found a loophole whereby Trump can be defeated by a technicality, written by some rules committee in secret.
#33. To: misterwhite (#31)
(Edited)
Trump delegates may simply walk out of the convention. Republicans may burn their voter cards and leave the party. Republicans simply won't vote in the election for anyone -- President or Congress.
#34. To: TooConservative (#33)
"Fine with me. I'd prefer it to allowing that freak anywhere near the WH."
#35. To: misterwhite (#34)
Burn the house down because you don't like someone's complexion. Do you read what you write?
#36. To: TooConservative (#35)
"I'm simply echoing you. You want to form the circular firing squad, fine."
#37. To: misterwhite (#36)
I'm saying that Republican voters expect the candidate with the lion's share of the delegates -- picked by them -- to get the nomination.
#38. To: TooConservative (#37)
"Most of them know nothing of party rules"
#39. To: misterwhite (#38)
Yep. All they'll see is that they were screwed. And they will revolt while you stand there screaming, "But Rule 26! Rule 26!"
#40. To: TooConservative (#39)
"If you demand the nomination without a majority, then you get nothing."
#41. To: misterwhite (#40)
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