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Title: Ted Cruz dominates Colorado GOP convention winning all 34 delegates
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The Denver Post
URL Source: http://www.denverpost.com/election/ ... -fiery-stump-speech?source=pkg
Published: Apr 9, 2016
Author: John Frank and Joey Bunch
Post Date: 2016-04-10 04:36:00 by Tooconservative
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Views: 12516
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The Texas senator won all 34 delegates awarded in Colorado in what amounts to a stunning rebuke of Republican front-runner Donald Trump. Cruz completed the sweep by winning all 13 delegates at the state convention in Colorado Springs — the largest in history with nearly 8,000 in the crowd — where he gave what amounted to an victory speech earlier in the day. "If it we continue to stand united," Cruz declared, "we are going to win this Republican nomination." His landslide victory in Colorado, combined with recent wins Wisconsin and Utah, increases the likelihood that no Republican candidate reaches the 1,237 delegates needed to secure the party's nomination. Surrounded by supporters in bright orange shirts, Cruz said the momentum behind his campaign will only continue as the final states vote in the next two months. "We are here today because our country is in crisis," Cruz said in his opening. "All across the country, people are waking up and help is on the way." In an interview with The Denver Post ahead of his speech, Cruz said he is preparing for a "battle on the convention floor" in Cleveland with Donald Trump to "see who can earn a majority of the delegates." He called a contested convention a "very significant possibility" and labeled the 21 delegates he won in early congressional districts in Colorado vital in his push. The strategy reflects a shift from earlier in the campaign, when Cruz expressed confidence he could win before the July convention. "I am confident we are going to win in Cleveland at a contested convention," he said. The candidate's visit to Colorado is the first this election cycle and a signal of how much energy the campaign put into winning the state's 37 national delegates. After Cruz swept the congressional district conventions in the past week, he expressed confidence he would win a portion of the 13 statewide delegates awarded Saturday. Front-runner Trump and Ohio Gov. John Kasich did not attend the state convention, sending supporters in their place. Both campaigns invested little in the state, sensing that the state's caucus process run by hard-core party insiders did not favor their campaigns. Cruz criticized Trump for skipping the event, suggesting "he was scared." "They knew he wasn't going to do well," Cruz said. "Donald doesn't handle losing well." The visit to Colorado forced Cruz to address Colorado issues, including the legalization of marijuana. If elected president, Cruz told The Denver Post that he would not interfere with the state's pot legalization. "I think on the question of marijuana legalization, we should leave it to the states," Cruz said before addressing the GOP activists at the state convention here."If it were me personally, voting on it in the state of Texas, I would vote against it. "The people of Colorado have made a different decision. I respect that decision," he continued. "And actually, it is an opportunity for the rest of the country to see what happens here in Colorado, what happens in Washington state — see the states implement the policies, and if it works well, other states may choose to follow. If it doesn't work well, other states may choose not to follow." Cruz declined to make a judgment about the first two years of legalization in Colorado. "I'm going to give that some time to let the facts and evidence play out, and ultimately that will be a decision for the people of Colorado," he said. On the question of banking for the marijuana industry, Cruz said he hasn't studied the issue and needed to learn more before taking a position. On the concourse at the convention at the Broadmoor World Arena, party activists studied red-checkered ballots that resembled horse track racing forms. Most picked national delegates based on which presidential candidate they favored. "You don't know most of the people, so you have to pay attention and go with your gut," said Helen Escobedo, a retired school teacher and Cruz supporter, eating a hamburger while she perused the ballot. "You look at who they are supporting, and you hope they'll stick with it." Earlier in the day, Sierra Stieb of Colorado Springs handed out Trump fliers. "I wouldn't necessarily say I support Trump, but he does have some qualities I support. I like his business acumen, his entrepreneurial spirit," Stieb said. "He speaks his mind. He's very strong and he doesn't back down in the face of adversity. But those qualities also have a negative attribute." But Trump supporter Harold Giles of Colorado Springs said a brokered convention would "break the party." "Elections matter," he said. "If the people elect Trump, he should be our guy. I'd rather lose one election than sacrifice what the ballot means." COLORADO SPRINGS — Colorado crowned Ted Cruz as the runaway winner in the state's Republican presidential contest Saturday — and moved the GOP closer to a contested national convention.
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#1. To: All, nolu chan, SOSO, tomder55, Pinguinite, A K A Stone, ConservingFreedom (#0)
Cruz got 34. 3 CO state GOP honchos are unbound but are almost certainly Cruz supporters. The various delegate counts at sites like Politico don't get updated regularly. However, as of 3/24/16, Politico had delegate totals for the candidates, up through the DC primary. But those results don't include Wisconsin or Colorado or North Dakota or partial results from Wyoming. In Wisconsin, Cruz apparently took 36 and Trump got 6 (for winning in two western CDs). In Colorado, Cruz got 34, Trump and Kasich 0. In North Dakota (25 delegates, all unbound), Cruz got commitments from 18 and Trump only got one. But all are legally unbound at the convention so you wouldn't include them in official counts of bound delegates. In Wyoming caucuses, Cruz won 9 delegates. Trump and Rubio got one each. Cruz is on track to win more on 4/16 at the state convention, perhaps close to a clean sweep. So we can update Politico's numbers like this: Every state gets at least 3 state GOP party honchos as delegates. As a group, these are unbound but they are considered a bloc of Cruz supporters by default because the party thinks Trump will be a disaster as a nominee. If only two-thirds of the state party honchos are latent Cruz supporters, that means Cruz might actually hold a narrow lead in total delegates. Just my own counts so feel free to dispute them. Of course, Trump people will say that's the closest Cruz will ever get to Trump, that Trump will widen his lead in upcoming northeast contests. Which may be true.
April 26 there are 173 East Coast delegates in play . Not sure about the other states ;but PA only awards 17 of 71 delegates directly through the primary results. The rest ?? ....Voters in each of PA's 18 congressional districts will choose 3 uncommitted delegates .Individual delegates run for election with their names on the ballot. Pennsylvania delegates aren’t publicly affiliated with any Presidential campaign. In other words, the delegate’s candidate preference isn’t listed on the ballot. The top three vote-getters in each Congressional district become delegates to the convention. This gives an enormous advantage to campaigns that have a large and sophisticated ground operation in the state. Each campaign not only has to turn out its supporters in each district, but it has to arm them with the specific delegates they need to vote for in the primary. Again, the ballot will not detail which campaign a delegate is allied with. The individual voters will have to know in advance which delegates will support their preferred candidate. This gives an enormous advantage to campaigns that have a large and sophisticated ground operation in the state. Each campaign not only has to turn out its supporters in each district, but it has to arm them with the specific delegates they need to vote for in the primary. The Pennsylvania Leadership Conference held a straw poll April 2. Cruz won that overwhelmingly 64.83%, Donald Trump 13.65%, and John Kasich 13.38%. "If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato
I remember that line of bullshit from the GWBush/Dick Cheney campaign slogans thrown around in 2000. My, how times fly, and the same ol' bullshit keeps flowing.
That, I did not know. Nice review of Pennsylvania's arcane but Totally Insane Delegate Selection process. I think I pinged you to the thread I posted here at LF, got no replies. Perhaps I do post too many of these boring nuts-n-bolts state party delegate selection threads. All those obscure state party minutiae that vary from state to state is not exactly exciting reading. Like my new thread today on how township caucuses can be dominated by party veterans to pack Cruz supporters into Trump delegate slots for the congressional convention and the state convention. I thought it was useful for people to grasp how district delegates turn into county delegates and state delegates and finally national delegates. Anyway, this was my PA delegate rules thread.
Well, Bernie did win WY yesterday so you can be happy. That's 7 wins in a row for the Bern. And some MN superdelegate flipped to Bernie yesterday. If Xlinton's superdelegate dam begins to break, Hitlery could get dumped, just like she did in 2008. And if Bernie can't dislodge Her Thighness, you still can vote for your dead dog, Scruffy. I may join you. : )
Can you say "pander"? Sure. I knew you could.
Wow! What a great way for the GOP establishment to retain their hold on the voter. I bet they wish they could do this in every state. Maybe 4 years from now, huh? Screw the people. Screw the voters. The GOP decides, you scum.
and simultaneously lost the delegate count in WY. More arcane process. "If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato
it is hilarious that Cruz is considered establishment .
"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato
Can you say "states' rights"? How about "laboratories of democracy"? But, sure, there was some pandering in there too. LOL But, as in ND, at least Cruz showed up. Trump & Kasich: nada.
I'm not laughing.
Not at all. If you want change, get involved in your district/country/state GOP. Until you do, the party veterans in your state will dominate the process. And pick all the national delegates. Keep in mind, every single bound delegate to the GOP convention only represents a "voter preference". Some are unbound from the start (e.g. ND, state party honchos), others become unbound after one or more convention ballots. If you don't like it, get involved in your state's GOP. Otherwise, shaddup.
There is no way, Trump can win at the GOP Convention. He should go back to Trump University, grab another degree and look for a real job because there is no way, this side of HELL, Trump is going to win the GOP presidential nomination.
It's hilarious that you are so dim witted. His position on trade is pure establishment sell out FUCK America. His position that he wants to legalize illegals with a green card is pure establishment. His belief that you don't have to be a natural born citizen is pure establishment. He lies and talks out of both sides of his ugly mug. Just like the establishment. You only vote establishment. He has been part of the government his hole life. It is now time for you to get your head out of your asshole. Here watch Ted when he was saying something else. He is a liar.
Ted Cruz's lying is rubbing off you you munchkins. Trump has more votes then anyone in the R party in a generation.
I'm all for it. But would that work with recreational drugs? Let's say that resulted in recreational drugs -- all of them, mind you -- legal in half the states and illegal in the other half. What do you think? Would that work? Bear in mind that, prior to Prohibition, alcohol was legal in half the states and illegal in the other half. We know that didn't work. But it would with drugs, huh? How can you be so dumb? I thought you were a smart guy.
The rest ?? ....Voters in each of PA's 18 congressional districts will choose 3 uncommitted delegates .Individual delegates run for election with their names on the ballot. Pennsylvania delegates aren’t publicly affiliated with any Presidential campaign. In other words, the delegate’s candidate preference isn’t listed on the ballot. Take your undemocratic establishment faux rules and shove them up your ass. Hillary 2016 is your goal. It is a fact that will happen when you sell outs fuck the American people again.
You use a lot of Vaseline.
Trump has broad support. The fact that pinguinite and you support the same guy proves it. Don't mind TC he is on the establishment pay roll. He gets paid to post here. At least that is what I was told years ago. I didn't believe it then. But when someone ignores all the facts sticks their tiny fingers in their ears and closes their eyes. That kind of makes the point. He is amusing though. Poor little munchkin.
And also has more votes against him than any GOP nominee in about a century. For all that Trump riled up and brought out new voters (mostly his TV show fanbois), he's driving a lot of others away from him, and from the party if he is the nominee. There aren't enough new angry white guys to make up for all the votes Trump drives away. Because America has run out of those kind of angry white guys even if LF hasn't. It's that simple.
I wish.
Votes for other people aren't votes against him. I know several people who voted for other people. They ALL will vote for Trump when he gets the nomination. 100 percent. Is that you lying Ted?
Establishment whores and dupes like you.
Long term, it'll work out about like the varying ages in different states for buying .32 beer and regular beer and hard liquor and having dry towns and dry counties (which do still exist). No big deal really.
How do you know that? Oh polls. Which you constantly say are unreliable. Talking out of both sides again or just lying?
The party veterans are not the people. They're not the voters. So my statement stands. But I bet you're loving this. Squirming in your seat with a tingle up your leg. How can the will of the voter be thwarted so the establishment can get their way? You're like Michael Douglas in The War of the Roses -- "I got more square footage". You're so dumb. You fail to realize that your backroom shenanigans and rule changing will have no effect whatsoever. Oh, it may change the numbers. For sure it will accomplish that. But if Trump ends up with the lion's share OF DELEGATES SELECTED BY THE VOTERS, all this effort is for naught. So play your games. And get ready for President Hillary if you "win".
Or maybe you're just so vehement they're humoring you and telling you what you want to hear. I assume they still have the secret ballot. They can say anything to anyone about their vote but they are still alone in that voting booth, like always.
I plan to write-in my vote for the next President of the United States of America: "my dead dawg Scruffy" irespective of all these other charlatans. Scruffy does not lie, steal or cheat. That is a fact.
If Trump makes 1237, there will be no way to keep the nomination from him. I saw Beck on Meet The Depressed a bit ago, saying exactly that. And he is the arch-NeverTrumper. If Trump can't meet the 1237 delegate requirement, the nomination will go to someone else with Cruz as the most likely (but not certain) choice.
Your family and friends may lie to you. I trust mine.
The mornon who is going to hell. This two faced asshole liar?
Too bad you don't have a pic of Scruffy so we could make some nice campaign banners. Perhaps you could find and post a link to a picture of a doggie that looks just like Scruffy, maybe a dog that is asleep. I could make a nice boilerplate campaign banner like this one.
But there are lots of independents, blue-collar Democrats, Hispanics and Blacks who will take their place. People who want a real border so they can have a country, people who want jobs, people who want free trade -- but want it to be fair, people who want a strong military so we don't have to use it, people who want an end to political correctness, people who want the federal government out of education, people who want an end to the good-old-boy networks, people who want THEIR voice heard. That'll make up for those voters YOU SAY Trump will lose.
You support a candidate who can't talk about any policy he has and never stops blathering about his polls. Now the polls turn against him and suddenly polls aren't important after all.
This is the likely outcome. Has beens: Jeb Bush and John Boehner have already thrown their massive weight behind Paul Ryan. It is amazing what goes on in the smokey back room of the GOP, ain't it?
In Donald's and your fantasy world. In the real world, not at all. Donald was the one yammering about all these polls for months on end, boring the crap out of everyone. Now the polls show he's made himself radioactive with a big majority of voters who hate his guts. So suddenly polls don't matter. The 1237 delegate rule of the GOP doesn't matter. Because Trump has run a lousy campaign and would be a Goldwater/Mondale sized disaster for the entire GOP in the general election.
It won't be Ryan. For too many reasons to list here.
Be careful. Stone doesn't like anyone suggesting the truth that is counter to his own ideas. Free Fred!
Sure you do. But you can't prove to me (or yourself) that they aren't just humoring you. "Psst, don't say that to Uncle AKA, you know how excited he gets..."
ONLY if all states legalize recreational drugs as they do with alcohol. Then there might be small differences between states. Even then, we have a National drinking age because the federal government threatened to cut off funds to those states which refused to go along. Is that what you want? States making the decision but the federal govenment cutting off those states which didn't make the right decision? But you didn't answer my question. Would "states rights" work with recreational drugs if they were legal in half the states and illegal in the other half? Hint: What's the reaction from the states surrounding Colorado regarding legal marijuana?
Bear in mind that, -- Prohibitions NEVER work. --- AND, -- prohibitions are unconstitutional. But prohibitions work with drugs, huh? How can you be so dumb?
And if Trump makes 1236, do you really think your rule changes will prevent him from being the nominee? What will you do when those 1236 walk out of the convention and go home?
You mistake me for someone who gives two shits about your beloved Drug War. Well, other than recognizing it has been a failure for the last 45 years and has imprisoned a lot of people and ruined their lives for no good reason. And you're way offtopic.
Yep. And those would be a continuation of the current rules, not new rules. The basic requirements to get the nomination go back 160 years, to the Whig Party. This is how it has always been since before the GOP existed.
When your "party veterans" allow the people to vote, that's the result. But I forgot -- you don't believe facts. You put your faith in polls.
Then you are insane.
Again, there has been no greater fan of polls than Trump and his fanbois. Until they suddenly paint a picture of utter disaster for Trump as GOP nominee. Now those polls are suddenly just Pure Evil. Live by the polls, die by the polls, bucko.
Please don't. No amount of falsification will ever move him. He's essentially a chatbot on this and other topics. Only useful for getting some keyboard exercise.
You wish. Cruz said the decision on drugs should be left to each state (but not his state). You agreed and cited "states rights' and "laboratories of democracy". I'll ask you for the third time. Would "states rights" work with recreational drugs if they were legal in half the states and illegal in the other half? You don't want to answer because the answer is "no". Which is why we have the federal law. IT WOULD NOT WORK at the state level. It didn't work with alcohol and it won't work with recreational drugs.
He said he would vote against it. Meaning he would submit to the voters' will in his own state. Consistent with his general states' rights position on the issue. Meh. Don't care.
So prohibition "doesn't work"? You agree with numbnuts on that? So you're saying that if we legalized all drugs to all ages there would be no increased usage or no increase in the number of users? Who believes that ... besides you and numbnuts? Geez Louise. I'm dealing with morons.
Unimportant. If you want to do some antiquated drug rant, go start your own thread instead of hijacking this one.
He's a hypocrite. Or a liar. If Trump said he opposed abortion but would vote pro-choice if that was what the people wanted, you'd go f**king ballistic.
Not really since I think nearly everything Trump says is a lie or ignorant utterances that he thinks appeal to the hicks, the rubes and "the evangelicals".
Unimportant? It defines whether or not prohibition is "working". You're making a real habit of avoiding the uncomfortable answers, aren't you?
I don't believe you (or Cruz) for a minute.
Stop hijacking this thread with your deranged drug rants.
Cruz's support for legal drugs in Colorado (but not Texas) IS IN THE ARTICLE YOU POSTED. And you supported and defended his position. That makes it fair game. But because you can't defend your position you don't want to talk about it anymore. Fine. Baby. I'll stop beating the crap out of you.
It must be hard to keep up with the other TC's poll-chasing re drugs. Those remarks contradict Cruz's previous position, when he criticized the Obama administration for failing to aggressively enforce the federal ban on marijuana in states that have legalized the drug. In January 2014, he described the Justice Department's prosecutorial restraint, which is designed to respect state policy choices, as an abuse of executive power.
Zing!!!
You just turned your Empty Posturing dial up to 11.
So here I promise not to beat him up anymore and you come along, jump in and destroy him. I almost feel sorry for him.
If you two are going to 69 each other, get a room already.
Shut up, pervert.
The life of a Cruz apologist can't be an easy one.
Here's a news flash for you. It's gonna be "President Hillary" no matter who the Republican contender turns out to be. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Trump says, "In terms of marijuana and legalization, I think that should be a state issue, state-by-state". A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.
Wipe yourself
He's just cribbing off his Cruz cheatsheet. : )
The one he gropes his paid mistresses on?
Bear in mind that, -- Prohibitions NEVER work. --- AND, -- prohibitions are unconstitutional. No, if we reasonably regulated drug use, instead of using unconstitutional prohibitions, (as both Trump and Cruz would agree), --- we could concentrate on some REAL problems. Prohibitions on drugs, guns, booze, and personal behaviors, - - are counterintuitive to the principles of our Constitution.
Fuck off ankle-biter. I stand by my statement. You really don't have a clue as to who actually controls the elections, do you? You are under the delusional belief that your vote really matters. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much No wonder you like Cruz. You lie a lot. Trump has said that for years. I disagree with him though.
If it isn't. Will you publicly admit you are an idiot?
The only thing your libtard, drug loving, cop hating Hippie ass would like more is Commie Sanders. Jane Fonda is a war hating, drug loving, (R) hating... cop hater too. It's no secret what you are here or were at LP. You filthy disgusting libturd. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
If she isn't the next president, I will admit I was wrong. Look sport, the fix is in. The sooner you yahoos wake up to that fact, the better off you'll be. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much I want to add to Deckard's post. I know hillary is already getting the keys to the WhoreHouse.
Make that filthy libturd state, DAILY, "Stone, I was wrong" at the beginning of EVERY post, after the election I'd KILLary doesn't win... or he can post his hippie bullsh t elsewhere. lol I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Why do you Paultards scream CONSPIRACY when you don't get your minority opinion way? I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Huh, what? You think that because I am predicting that Hillary will be the next POTUS, somehow that makes me a "filthy disgusting libturd." I am simply stating a fact - I'm not voting for her or Sanders. You really need to calm down princess. Oh - and maybe think about using a thesaurus - calling everyone who disagrees with you a "libturd" shows you complete lack of originality. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much You are quickly becoming the joke of the forum since your return. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much You don't predict it... You PREFER it over trump, you F'n filthy pile of libtard sh t. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
You must have a lot of clout with pebbles to make demands like that post. How in the world did you achieve so muuch love and affection?
Good grief pig-boy, you really are a clueless simpleton. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much It was a suggestion, dumb dumb. You know the difference? lol I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
You're clinically insane. You do realize that, right? Trump is not gonna win and be your benevolent daddy. You need to lay off the booze before posting. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much You made a DEMAND in post #78, not a suggestion. Do you know the difference?
All name calling, not a shred of argumentative substance. The story of your life. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
It's gonna be "President Hillary" Trump's pals. Fucking hypocrite - typical cop mentality. You can dish it out, but you can't take it. What's the matter princess, did your widdle feelings get hurt? In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much It was a suggestion, tool box. I don't "demand" Stone do anything. I'm one of the few that actually RESPECT the fact that LF is Stones HOME... we are all just visitors. Shut your Paultard pleaser. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I guess the discussion of the CO GOP and its delegates is well in the rear-view mirror.
Just so you end up on the end of a stick it's all good.
You give yourself too much credit, Paultard. Before you could ever hurt my feelings, I'd have to first have RESPECT you opinions. lol F' off, tool box. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
It was a suggestion, tool box. You can't really expect a bottom-feeding former cop to understand that his post was not a suggestion but a demand. I guess he's been bullying folks for so long, he can't be anything else. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Make that filthy libturd state, DAILY, "Stone, I was wrong" at the beginning of EVERY post, after the election I'd KILLary doesn't win... or he can post his hippie bullsh t elsewhere. You DEMANDED pebbles to conform to your order. Moreover, your publick tone was incredibly demeaning to other posters.
Remember his repeated insistance about "yukon." Not much more to say, is there?
You have deep emotional and psychological issues. It was just a suggestion... and I'm sure Stone saw it that way. He knows I respect his home.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Yes, because I'm in such a position of "bullying" Stone. I'm a poster, same as you. I'm just not a drug loving conspiracy thinking Paultard. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I guess the discussion of the CO GOP and its delegates is well in the rear-view mirror. The delegates have gone to the Canadian/Cuban, Rastafarian Ganja Texan. It's a done deal. You have a sense of urgency to make posts. It is proof POSITIVE that you have a problem.
He'd have to stand in line with the MSM (including FOX), everyone at National Review, everyone at the Weekly Standard, etc.
My point was that he didn't make an exception for one state.
I post with an iPhone.... It's faster than your Commie Sandards loving PC. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
You think you are cute posting archaic, made up hot-aire, don't ya?
'"I think on the question of marijuana legalization, we should leave it to the states," Cruz said'. Which part of "the states" did you not understand? A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.
You stand in your statement.
The part where Cruz then added, "If it were me personally, voting on it in the state of Texas, I would vote against it." Next time, post the whole quote. You're developing a bad habit of quoting out of context. Keep it up and I'll have to ignore you.
Assuming she's not indicted.
My point was that he [Trump] didn't make an exception for one state. Neither did Cruz: leaving it to the states as a federal officeholder is completely compatible with voting against it for one's own state as a citizen of that state. Your attempt to fabricate a contradiction is comically feeble. A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.
Then why did he add that statement? Just say, "Let the states decide" and that's it.
Perhaps to reassure social conservatives that he wasn't a closet hippie. The point remains that his statement about Texas was no "exception" to his statement about "the states." A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.
It was hypocritical. No different than Trump saying that he, personally, is against abortion, but it's OK with him if Congress keeps it legal.
Nonsense - by that 'logic' one can support states' rights only for those issues about which one is indifferent. A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.
Candidate Delegates Trump 743 Cruz 532 Rubio 171 Kasich 143 Candidate Delegates Trump 750 Cruz 629+ Rubio 172 Kasich 143
#2. To: TooConservative (#1)
Of course, Trump people will say that's the closest Cruz will ever get to Trump, that Trump will widen his lead in upcoming northeast contests. Which may be true.
#3. To: TooConservative (#0)
"help is on the way."
#4. To: tomder55 (#2)
(Edited)
The Pennsylvania Leadership Conference held a straw poll April 2. Cruz won that overwhelmingly 64.83%, Donald Trump 13.65%, and John Kasich 13.38%.
#5. To: buckeroo (#3)
I remember that line of bullshit from the GWBush/Dick Cheney campaign slogans thrown around in 2000. My, how times fly, and the same ol' bullshit keeps flowing.
#6. To: TooConservative (#0)
"I think on the question of marijuana legalization, we should leave it to the states," Cruz said before addressing the GOP activists at the state convention here."If it were me personally, voting on it in the state of Texas, I would vote against it.
#7. To: TooConservative (#0)
"Ted Cruz dominates Colorado GOP convention winning all 34 delegates"
#8. To: TooConservative (#5)
Well, Bernie did win WY yesterday so you can be happy.
#9. To: misterwhite (#7)
#10. To: misterwhite (#6)
Can you say "pander"? Sure. I knew you could.
#11. To: tomder55 (#9)
"it is hilarious that Cruz is considered establishment."
#12. To: misterwhite (#7)
Screw the people. Screw the voters. The GOP decides, you scum.
#13. To: TooConservative, nolu chan (#1)
#14. To: tomder55 (#9)
it is hilarious that Cruz is considered establishment .
#15. To: TooConservative (#12)
Not at all.
#16. To: TooConservative (#10)
"Can you say "states' rights"? How about "laboratories of democracy"?"
#17. To: tomder55 (#2)
April 26 there are 173 East Coast delegates in play . Not sure about the other states ;but PA only awards 17 of 71 delegates directly through the primary results.
#18. To: TooConservative (#10)
Can you say "states' rights"? How about "laboratories of democracy"?
#19. To: misterwhite (#16)
(Edited)
I'm all for it.
#20. To: A K A Stone (#15)
Trump has more votes then anyone in the R party in a generation.
#21. To: A K A Stone (#19)
Don't mind TC he is on the establishment pay roll. He gets paid to post here.
#22. To: TooConservative (#20)
And also has more votes against him than any GOP nominee in about a century.
#23. To: TooConservative (#20)
he's driving a lot of others away from him
#24. To: misterwhite (#16)
Bear in mind that, prior to Prohibition, alcohol was legal in half the states and illegal in the other half. We know that didn't work.
#25. To: TooConservative (#20)
There aren't enough new angry white guys to make up for all the votes Trump drives away.
#26. To: TooConservative (#12)
"the party veterans in your state will dominate the process."
#27. To: A K A Stone (#22)
I know several people who voted for other people. They ALL will vote for Trump when he gets the nomination. 100 percent. Is that you lying Ted?
#28. To: TooConservative (#5)
And if Bernie can't dislodge Her Thighness, you still can vote for your dead dog, Scruffy.
#29. To: misterwhite (#26)
But if Trump ends up with the lion's share OF DELEGATES SELECTED BY THE VOTERS, all this effort is for naught.
#30. To: TooConservative (#27)
Or maybe you're just so vehement they're humoring you and telling you what you want to hear.
#31. To: TooConservative (#29)
I saw Beck on Meet The Depressed a bit ago, saying exactly that. And he is the arch-NeverTrumper.
#32. To: buckeroo (#28)
I plan to write-in my vote for the next President of the United States of America: "my dead dawg Scruffy" irespective of all these other charlatans. Scruffy does not lie, steal or cheat. That is a fact.
SCRUFFY 2016
He's not dead, he's just resting!
#33. To: TooConservative (#20)
"There aren't enough new angry white guys to make up for all the votes Trump drives away."
#34. To: A K A Stone (#25)
How do you know that? Oh polls.
#35. To: TooConservative (#29)
If Trump can't meet the 1237 delegate requirement, the nomination will go to someone else with Cruz as the most likely (but not certain) choice.
#36. To: misterwhite (#33)
But there are lots of independents, blue-collar Democrats, Hispanics and Blacks who will take their place.
#37. To: buckeroo (#35)
#38. To: TooConservative, Fred Mertz (#34)
Now the polls turn against him [Trump] and suddenly polls aren't important after all.
#39. To: A K A Stone (#30)
Your family and friends may lie to you. I trust mine.
#40. To: TooConservative (#24)
"Long term, it'll work out about like the varying ages in different states for buying .32 beer and regular beer and hard liquor and having dry towns and dry counties (which do still exist)."
#41. To: All you prohibitionist dummies (#16)
Bear in mind that, prior to Prohibition, alcohol was legal in half the states and illegal in the other half. We know that didn't work. --- misterwhite
#42. To: TooConservative (#29)
"If Trump makes 1237, there will be no way to keep the nomination from him."
#43. To: misterwhite, Deckard (#40)
Is that what you want? States making the decision but the federal govenment cutting off those states which didn't make the right decision?
#44. To: misterwhite (#42)
And if Trump makes 1236, do you really think your rule changes will prevent him from being the nominee?
#45. To: TooConservative (#36)
"In Donald's and your fantasy world."
#46. To: TooConservative (#44)
"And if Trump makes 1236, do you really think your rule changes will prevent him from being the nominee?"
"Yep."
#47. To: misterwhite (#45)
You put your faith in polls.
#48. To: tpaine (#41)
Bear in mind that...
#49. To: TooConservative (#43)
"And you're way offtopic."
#50. To: misterwhite (#49)
(Edited)
Cruz said the decision on drugs should be left to each state (but not his state).
I'll ask you for the third time. Would "states rights" work with recreational drugs if they were legal in half the states and illegal in the other half?
#51. To: TooConservative (#48)
#52. To: misterwhite (#51)
So you're saying that if we legalized all drugs to all ages there would be no increased usage or no increase in the number of users?
#53. To: TooConservative (#50)
"He said he would vote against it. Meaning he would submit to the voters' will in that state."
#54. To: misterwhite (#53)
If Trump said he opposed abortion but would vote pro-choice if that was what the people wanted, you'd go f**king ballistic.
#55. To: TooConservative (#52)
"Unimportant."
#56. To: TooConservative (#54)
"Not really"
#57. To: misterwhite (#55)
#58. To: TooConservative (#57)
(Edited)
"Stop hijacking this thread with your deranged drug rants."
#59. To: TooConservative, misterwhite, (#43)
imprisoned a lot of people and ruined their lives for no good reason.
At CPAC last week, Ted Cruz responded to a question about marijuana legalization in Colorado by endorsing a federalist approach: "This is a great embodiment of what Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis called 'the laboratories of democracy,'" Cruz said. "If the citizens of Colorado decide they want to go down that road, that's their prerogative. I personally don't agree with it, but that's their right."
http://www.ontheis su es.org/2016/Ted_Cruz_Drugs.htm
#60. To: misterwhite (#58)
Cruz's support for legal drugs in Colorado (but not Texas) IS IN THE ARTICLE YOU POSTED.
#61. To: TooConservative (#48)
Only useful for getting some keyboard exercise.
#62. To: Roscoe (#59)
#63. To: misterwhite (#62)
(Edited)
#64. To: TooConservative (#63)
#65. To: misterwhite (#62)
I almost feel sorry for him.
#66. To: misterwhite, TooConservative (#26)
So play your games. And get ready for President Hillary if you "win".
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#67. To: misterwhite, TooConservative (#6)
Can you say "pander"? Sure. I knew you could.
#68. To: Deckard (#66)
Here's a news flash
#69. To: ConservingFreedom (#67)
Trump says, "In terms of marijuana and legalization, I think that should be a state issue, state-by-state".
#70. To: TooConservative (#69)
Cruz cheatsheet
#71. To: All you petty prohibitionists (#51)
Please don't. (Misterwhites) essentially a chatbot on this and other topics. --- TooConservative
So prohibition "doesn't work"? You agree with (tpaine) on that? ---- So you're saying that if we legalized all drugs to all ages there would be no increased usage or no increase in the number of users?
#72. To: Roscoe (#68)
(Edited)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#73. To: TooConservative (#69)
He's just cribbing off his Cruz cheatsheet. : )
#74. To: Deckard (#66)
It's gonna be "President Hillary" no matter who the Republican contender turns out to be.
#75. To: Deckard (#66)
It's gonna be "President Hillary" no matter who the Republican contender turns out to be.
#76. To: A K A Stone (#74)
If it isn't. Will you publicly admit you are an idiot?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#77. To: Deckard, A K A Stone (#76)
If she isn't the next president, I will admit I was wrong.
#78. To: A K A Stone (#74)
#79. To: Deckard (#76)
(Edited)
Look sport, the fix is in.
#80. To: GrandIsland (#75)
The only thing your libtard, drug loving, cop hating Hippie ass would like more is Commie Sanders.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#81. To: GrandIsland (#78)
...post his hippie bullsh t
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#82. To: Deckard (#80)
You think that because I am predicting that Hillary will be the next POTUS, somehow that makes me a "filthy disgusting libturd."
#83. To: GrandIsland (#78)
#84. To: GrandIsland (#79)
Why do you Paultards scream CONSPIRACY when you don't get your minority opinion way?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#85. To: buckeroo (#83)
You must have a lot of clout with pebbles to make demands like that post. How in the world did you achieve so muuch love and affection?
#86. To: GrandIsland (#82)
You don't predict it... You PREFER it over trump, you F'n filthy pile of libtard sh t.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#87. To: GrandIsland (#85)
#88. To: Deckard (#84)
Good grief pig-boy, you really are a clueless simpleton.
#89. To: Deckard (#66)
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#90. To: GrandIsland (#88)
All name calling, not a shred of argumentative substance.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#91. To: buckeroo (#87)
(Edited)
You made a DEMAND in post #78, not a suggestion. Do you know the difference?
#92. To: All (#69)
#93. To: hondo68 (#89)
Trump's pals.
#94. To: Deckard (#90)
What's the matter princess, did your widdle feelings get hurt?
#95. To: buckeroo, GrandIsland (#91)
You made a DEMAND in post #78, not a suggestion. Do you know the difference?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#96. To: GrandIsland (#91)
#78. To: A K A Stone (#74)
#97. To: Deckard, GrandIsland, yukon, dead canaries (#95)
I guess he's been bullying folks for so long, he can't be anything else.
#98. To: buckeroo (#96)
#99. To: Deckard (#95)
#100. To: TooConservative, Fred Mertz (#92)
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#101. To: GrandIsland (#98)
#102. To: A K A Stone (#74)
"If it isn't. Will you publicly admit you are an idiot?"
#103. To: ConservingFreedom (#67)
"Trump says, "In terms of marijuana and legalization, I think that should be a state issue, state-by-state"."
#104. To: buckeroo (#101)
You have a sense of urgency to make posts. It is proof POSITIVE that you have a problem.
#105. To: GrandIsland (#104)
#106. To: misterwhite (#103)
(Edited)
My point was that he didn't make an exception for one state.
#107. To: Deckard (#72)
I stand by my statement.
#108. To: ConservingFreedom (#106)
"Which part of "the states" did you not understand?"
#109. To: Deckard (#66)
"It's gonna be "President Hillary" no matter who the Republican contender turns out to be."
#110. To: misterwhite (#108)
'"I think on the question of marijuana legalization, we should leave it to the states," Cruz said before addressing the GOP activists at the state convention here."If it were me personally, voting on it in the state of Texas, I would vote against it.'
#111. To: ConservingFreedom (#110)
"Neither did Cruz: leaving it to the states as a federal officeholder is completely compatible with voting against it for one's own state as a citizen of that state."
#112. To: misterwhite (#111)
Neither did Cruz: leaving it to the states as a federal officeholder is completely compatible with voting against it for one's own state as a citizen of that state.
Then why did he add that statement?
#113. To: ConservingFreedom (#112)
"The point remains that his statement about Texas was no "exception" to his statement about "the states."
#114. To: misterwhite (#113)
It was hypocritical. No different than Trump saying that he, personally, is against abortion, but it's OK with him if Congress keeps it legal.
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