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The Establishments war on Donald Trump
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Title: TED Cruz piece of shit hypocrite
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Published: Apr 5, 2016
Author: mouse1
Post Date: 2016-04-05 21:06:49 by A K A Stone
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Cruz was on the radio with Hannity yesterday. Hannity asked him. You have said Kasich should drop out because he cant get the 1237. What if you cant get the 1237, will you drop out? And Cruz said NO! “If Donald is the nominee, Hillary wins”. That did it for me. Cruz wants the brokered convention. Guess he was promised his 30 pieces of silver.

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#3. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Cruz wants the brokered convention.

Of course he wants it.

He played the game from the very beginning that way. Given a large crowded field, the chances were high that it would go to the convention.

This is why Cruz built his Deep Campaign.

“If Donald is the nominee, Hillary wins”.

Hitlery would win in a 450+ electoral college landslide against Trump.

Guess he was promised his 30 pieces of silver.

What he was promised by the likes of the Stain and Lady Lindsey is that they would rather vote for Hitler than vote for Cruz.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-05   22:30:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TooConservative (#3)

Hitlery would win in a 450+ electoral college landslide against Trump.

And you think she won't bury Cruz?

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-05   23:42:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

And you think she won't bury Cruz?

I think Cruz has a decent chance.

Hillary's only chance is an inexperienced opponent even more unpopular with Republicans than she is with Democrats.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-06   6:23:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TooConservative (#6)

I think Cruz has a decent chance.

You may get your test. I doubt it. I think the party will accept Trump in the end.

If not, they'll advance somebody like Kasich.

Cruz won't get a majority before the convention, and the Republicans won't give him one at the convention either.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-06   12:50:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Vicomte13 (#7)

You may get your test. I doubt it. I think the party will accept Trump in the end.

If not, they'll advance somebody like Kasich.

No way.

Trump and Cruz will have 90% of the delegates when the convention opens and the rules are set.

No way either will allow any changes. Kasich will not have the eight states and neither of them will allow any change to allow Kasich's name to appear on every ballot. However, both Trump and Cruz will win enough delegates to insure that their names will appear on all ballots at the convention. That way, Kasich would be demoted by the rules to be no more eligible than a complete outsider like Romney or Ryan.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-06   20:33:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: TooConservative (#8)

Cruz will allow a rules change because he has only gotten the majority of delegates in about four states, which means that under the current rules he is not eligible to be placed into nomination. He needs a rules change, and will permit it.

And that means that he'll bargain other things with the others.

It's going to be a goat rodeo.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-08   6:39:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Vicomte13, nolu chan, tomder55 (#9)

538:

TrumpCruzKasichRubio
DateState Or TerritoryTotal delegatesWon/TargetWon/TargetWon/TargetWon/Target
Feb. 1Iowa30
7/10
8/13
1/11
7/12
Feb. 9New Hampshire23
11/8
3/8
4/11
2/10
Feb. 20South Carolina50
50/41
0/50
0/6
0/6
Feb. 23Nevada30
14/13
6/11
1/10
7/11
March 1Alabama50
36/19
13/26
0/7
1/13
Alaska28
11/9
12/12
0/9
5/12
Arkansas40
16/14
15/21
0/6
9/12
Georgia76
44/25
17/41
0/18
15/26
Massachusetts42
22/20
4/12
8/21
8/16
Minnesota38
8/12
13/13
0/14
17/14
Oklahoma43
13/15
15/19
0/8
12/14
Tennessee58
33/20
16/31
0/9
9/14
Texas155
48/67
104/104
0/31
3/53
Vermont16
8/7
0/5
8/8
0/7
Virginia49
17/17
8/18
5/19
16/22
March 5Kansas40
9/16
24/20
1/10
6/13
Kentucky46
17/21
15/20
7/10
7/17
Louisiana46
18/23
18/22
0/8
5/14
Maine23
9/9
12/9
2/11
0/10
March 6Puerto Rico23
0/8
0/8
0/15
23/15
So my reading is this for states where a candidate has won 50% or more of the vote:

Trump: NH, SC, NV, GA, AL, MA, TN, VT
Cruz: IA, OK, TX, KS, ME

(I gave VT to Trump but it was a tie in delegates between Trump and Kasich.)

Of course, this list is far from perfect. Various party rules and laws in the states affect this a bit.

I think Trump has an indisputable 7 and Cruz has an indisputable 5. JMO.

Trump will pick up NY and others in the northeast, possibly CA too. Cruz will get CO/ND/NE/WY and maybe a few others.

Of course, at this point there are no convention rules at all, for all that we yak about Rule 40. There is no Rule 40 yet. The rules are enacted for each convention by the rules committee of that convention. Generally, they continue the longstanding rules of previous GOP conventions but anything and everything can be changed by the convention rules committee. However, in general, the GOP still has the same convention rules that it inherited from its predecessor, the Whigs. So don't expect major changes.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-08   7:16:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13, nolu chan, (#12)

correct Trump and Cruz will qualify under existing rules (rule 40 ) . That means that the playing field is the same at the convention as it was when they all entered the contest . 1. hold the majority of the delegates to win ;2. win the majority of at least 8 state primaries.

Rule 40 is ridiculous and should be scrapped for the 2020 convention . But the rules should not change for the current convention.

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