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Title: One of Trump’s Latest Statements Could Put His South Carolina Primary Win in ‘Jeopardy’
Source: Independent Journal Review
URL Source: https://www.ijreview.com/2016/03/57 ... -break-his-rnc-loyalty-pledge/
Published: Mar 31, 2016
Author: Justin Green
Post Date: 2016-03-31 17:34:36 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 9105
Comments: 47

Donald Trump raised eyebrows the other evening when he said he will no longer be upholding the GOP loyalty pledge, which he signed earlier this year:

Now a potential consequence is going public.

The state of South Carolina, which has yet to have its state convention, could potentially “unbind” Trump’s 50 delegates, which he won when he swept the state in February.

TIME magazine’s Zeke Miller reported on Thursday:
The Palmetto State was one of several that required candidates to pledge their loyalty to the party’s eventual nominee in order to secure a slot on the primary ballot. Though Trump won all of the state’s delegates in the Feb. 20 primary, anti-Trump forces are plotting to contest their binding to Trump because of his threat on the pledge Tuesday.

The loyalty pledge is nothing new in South Carolina, where it has been required for decades…

Matt Moore, the chairman of the South Carolina Republican Party, said:
“Breaking South Carolina’s presidential primary ballot pledge raises some unanswered legal questions that no one person can answer,” he told TIME. “However, a court or national convention Committee on Contests could resolve them. It could put delegates in jeopardy.”

But on Twitter, Moore added:
Regarding delegate questions today: to be clear, no one is seeking to unbind ANY of South Carolina's national delegates.

— Matt Moore (@MattMooreSC) March 31, 2016

South Carolina holds its state convention in April, and if it proceeds to strip Trump’s delegates, it would surely spark uproar among the candidate’s supporters, in addition to being the latest example of the Trump campaign fumbling delegates he should have won:

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#4. To: TooConservative (#0)

“Breaking South Carolina’s presidential primary ballot pledge raises some unanswered legal questions that no one person can answer,”

So the pledge Trump signed is legally binding?

So it's not a pledge but a civil contract? Is that the message here?

How many other R candidates do they force to sign this contract before letting them run for president? Is Trump the only one, because he's an evil guy?

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-03-31   20:02:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pinguinite (#4)

How many other R candidates do they force to sign this contract before letting them run for president? Is Trump the only one, because he's an evil guy?

All of them. You can't appear on the SC ballot otherwise in my understanding. They have to sign the pledge when they apply to appear on the ballot.

All the states have their own rules and laws about these things. Candidates and GOP delegates are bound legally.

This is what is meant by "bound delegates". The laws of these states generally require them to do certain things, among them is a common requirement to vote for the candidate to whom they were awarded in the primary/caucus/state convention on the first ballot at the national convention.

When Trump broke his pledge repeatedly, it lets all 50 SC delegates off the hook. You know, South Carolina whose governor endorsed Cruz a while back and where Lindsey Graham (who hates Trump even more than Rand Paul) is the party master. Graham is quite capable of doing this. He'd love it.

And Kasich and Cruz also saying that they won't support Trump? Well, that doesn't matter because Trump had all 50 SC delegates in his back pocket, bound by law to vote for him on the first convention ballot. Now they are arguably free to vote for anyone they want, even if it is Cruz who is also saying he won't support Trump as the nominee.

So Cruz and Kasich are relatively free to say they won't support Trump (and even egg Trump on to say the same thing) but Trump is a fool (and poorly advised) to say the same thing in public. The only penalty for them is if they happen to have delegates in other states where they signed a candidate loyalty oath like they had to in SC. But maybe those other states might choose not to pursue any action against them for the same infraction, eh?

To give you some idea of how much these state laws vary, perhaps you might want to look through this piece.

Richmond.com, 2012: Va. GOP to require loyalty oath in presidential primary

And that wasn't a loyalty oath for the candidates. The VA GOP in 2012 required voters to sign a pledge that they would vote for the GOP nominee in the fall as a precondition to voting in the primary.

These are not just the rules of some private club. The state parties can and do impose all sorts of laws and rules with the force of state law. And the other states and the courts are bound to respect their election laws. It is part of the fabric of the election system.

I know that both Virginia and North Carolina were both pressing in the fall to force all the candidates to sign a loyalty oath too, just like South Carolina has had for decades. I'm not sure whether they passed it in the state GOP party process or not.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-31   20:43:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TooConservative (#5)

When Trump broke his pledge repeatedly, it lets all 50 SC delegates off the hook.

How can you break a pledge when there isn't even a nominee yet.

You establishment pricks are getting desperate.

You voted for Romney. Romney is far to the left of Trump.

That is the truth tooliberal.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-03-31   20:45:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone (#6)

How can you break a pledge when there isn't even a nominee yet.

You really have a problem with logic and facts.

You can whine about here at LF all you want. But the laws of these states that bind delegates are what they are, even if you jam your fingers in your ears and refuse to hear it.

What exactly did you think they meant when they used the words "bound delegate"? They are legally bound to vote for the candidate they're pledged to on the first ballot. And that is how the nominee is selected.

If you're too dumb to get that, stop asking me questions about it. It isn't that complicated.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-31   21:47:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: TooConservative (#7)

You can whine about here at LF all you want. But the laws of these states that bind delegates are what they are, even if you jam your fingers in your ears and refuse to hear it.

You can have your head up the establishments ass all you want.

You said you don't know. Now you say you do.

You are one of the most full of shit people I've ever met online.

You lie about who you are and what you believe.

You can't support the nominee before one is selected.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-03-31   22:42:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#11)

You can't support the nominee before one is selected.

Then there can be no nominee at all. It is the support of delegates at the convention that creates the nominee.

I never realized I was sitting at the table for the retarded kids.

Just believe anything you want. Or make up something that makes you happy. I could care less what you believe.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-01   0:05:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: TooConservative (#17)

I never realized I was sitting at the table for the retarded kids.

Dunning-Kruger

Roscoe  posted on  2016-04-01   0:10:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Roscoe, TooConservative (#18)

Dunning-Kruger

Yes, that is just one reason why there is no hope for Trump dupes.

SOSO  posted on  2016-04-01   0:14:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: SOSO (#20)

Non sequitur.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-04-01   0:15:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Roscoe (#21)

Non sequitur.

Excellent example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Keep up the good work.

SOSO  posted on  2016-04-01   0:25:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: SOSO (#23)

Excellent example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

Excellent example of irony.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-04-01   0:58:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Roscoe (#28)

Excellent example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

Excellent example of irony.

Yes, it is. You have been foisted on your own petard.

SOSO  posted on  2016-04-01   1:04:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: SOSO (#31)

Hoisted, rtard.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-04-01   1:18:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Roscoe, SOSO (#33)

Hoisted, rtard.

Hoist, maroon.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-01   1:52:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: TooConservative (#35)

Hoist

Nope, hoisted, not foisted.

The Dunning-Kruger is strong in you.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-04-01   2:08:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Roscoe (#37)

You're still confused obviously. Let me quote the actual Shakespeare for you, avoiding your low-brow google search that led you to an inferior source:

Hoist with his own petard

Hamlet:
There's letters seal'd, and my two schoolfellows,
Whom I will trust as I will adders fang'd—
They bear the mandate, they must sweep my way
And marshal me to knavery. Let it work;
For 'tis the sport to have the enginer
Hoist with his own petard, an't shall go hard
But I will delve one yard below their mines
And blow them at the moon.
Hamlet Act 3, scene 4, 202–209

"Hoist with his own petard" literally means "blown up with his own mine." More generally, a "petard" is a hat-shaped device which can be be charged with gunpowder.

Again, a good example of your unintentional irony and resulting fascination with Dunning-Kruger. You don't know the phrase 'hoist with his own petard' but laughably try to lecture me, who does actually know the correct usage. You perfectly illustrate Dunning-Kruger as you arrogantly try to talk down to me, never aware how ignorant you are to anyone who possesses more than your very shallow level of knowledge and education.

And I'm no expert on Shakespeare. I would say I'm quite mediocre. But I'm downright brilliant compared to you. But, deep in the throes of your Dunning-Kruger, you imagine yourself to be superior to all others while you blither on, continuing to make a complete ass of yourself.

Dunning-Kruger indeed.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-01   2:43:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: TooConservative (#40) (Edited)

Thanks for the non sequitur.

Rtard.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-04-01   2:47:03 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Roscoe, SOSO (#41)

Isn't it time for you to make some lame excuse and skulk away in shame?

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-01   2:52:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#43. To: TooConservative (#42)

Isn't it time for you to make some lame excuse and skulk away in shame?

Isn't it time for you to start picking up your teeth from the floor?

Roscoe  posted on  2016-04-01 02:53:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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