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Title: “America First”: Is Trump Right About NATO?
Source: VDare
URL Source: http://www.vdare.com/articles/ameri ... irst-is-trump-right-about-nato
Published: Mar 29, 2016
Author: Pat Buchanan
Post Date: 2016-03-29 02:38:04 by nativist nationalist
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Views: 3589
Comments: 24

I am “not isolationist, but I am ‘America First,'” Donald Trump told the New York Times last weekend. “I like the expression.”

Of NATO, where the U.S. underwrites three-fourths of the cost of defending Europe, Trump calls this arrangement “unfair, economically, to us,” and adds, “We will not be ripped off anymore.”

Beltway media may be transfixed with Twitter wars over wives and alleged infidelities. But the ideas Trump aired should ignite a national debate over U.S. overseas commitments—especially NATO.

For the Donald’s ideas are not lacking for authoritative support.

The first NATO supreme commander, Gen. Eisenhower, said in February 1951 of the alliance: “If in 10 years, all American troops stationed in Europe for national defense purposes have not been returned to the United States, then this whole project will have failed.”

As JFK biographer Richard Reeves relates, President Eisenhower, a decade later, admonished the president-elect on NATO.

“Eisenhower told his successor it was time to start bringing the troops home from Europe. ‘America is carrying far more than her share of free world defense,’ he said. It was time for other nations of NATO to take on more of the costs of their own defense.”

No Cold War president followed Ike’s counsel.

But when the Cold War ended with the collapse of the Soviet Empire, the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact, and the breakup of the Soviet Union into 15 nations, a new debate erupted.

The conservative coalition that had united in the Cold War fractured. Some of us argued that when the Russian troops went home from Europe, the American troops should come home from Europe.

Time for a populous prosperous Europe to start defending itself.

Instead, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush began handing out NATO memberships, i.e., war guarantees, to all ex-Warsaw Pact nations and even Baltic republics that had been part of the Soviet Union.

In a historically provocative act, the U.S. moved its “red line” for war with Russia from the Elbe River in Germany to the Estonian-Russian border, a few miles from St. Petersburg.

We declared to the world that should Russia seek to restore its hegemony over any part of its old empire in Europe, she would be at war with the United States.

No Cold War president ever considered issuing a war guarantee of this magnitude, putting our homeland at risk of nuclear war, to defend Latvia and Estonia.

Recall. Ike did not intervene to save the Hungarian freedom fighters in 1956. Lyndon Johnson did not lift a hand to save the Czechs, when Warsaw Pact armies crushed “Prague Spring” in 1968. Reagan refused to intervene when Gen. Wojciech Jaruzelski, on Moscow’s orders, smashed Solidarity in 1981.

These presidents put America first. All would have rejoiced in the liberation of Eastern Europe. But none would have committed us to war with a nuclear-armed nation like Russia to guarantee it.

Yet, here was George W. Bush declaring that any Russian move against Latvia or Estonia meant war with the United States. John McCain wanted to extend U.S. war guarantees to Georgia and Ukraine.

This was madness born of hubris. And among those who warned against moving NATO onto Russia’s front porch was America’s greatest geostrategist, the author of containment, George Kennan:

“Expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the post-Cold War era. Such a decision may be expected to impel Russian foreign policy in directions decidedly not to our liking.”

Kennan was proven right. By refusing to treat Russia as we treated other nations that repudiated Leninism, we created the Russia we feared, a rearming nation bristling with resentment.

The Russian people, having extended a hand in friendship and seen it slapped away, cheered the ouster of the accommodating Boris Yeltsin and the arrival of an autocratic strong man who would make Russia respected again. We ourselves prepared the path for Vladimir Putin.

While Trump is focusing on how America is bearing too much of the cost of defending Europe, it is the risks we are taking that are paramount, risks no Cold War president ever dared to take.

Why should America fight Russia over who rules in the Baltic States or Romania and Bulgaria? When did the sovereignty of these nations become interests so vital we would risk a military clash with Moscow that could escalate into nuclear war? Why are we still committed to fight for scores of nations on five continents?

Trump is challenging the mindset of a foreign policy elite whose thinking is frozen in a world that disappeared around 1991.

He is suggesting a new foreign policy where the United States is committed to war only when are attacked or U.S. vital interests are imperiled. And when we agree to defend other nations, they will bear a full share of the cost of their own defense. The era of the free rider is over.

Trump’s phrase, “America First!” has a nice ring to it.

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#1. To: nativist nationalist (#0)

Trump is completely right about this. He is right about it in Europe, and he's right about it in Asia.

He's right that we should be cooperating with Russia closely in destroying Muslim terrorists that threaten us both.

He's right about "free" trade with China, in particular, being a disaster for Americans.

He's the only one with these policies. But so many Republicans hate him and are determined to deny him the nomination it's disheartening.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-03-29   6:46:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: nativist nationalist (#0)

America First was the organization the Charles Lindbergh ,a Hitler admirer use to try to keep the United States out of WWII . Lindbergh argued that Hitler was invincible and that it was mostly the faults of the British and the Jews that we were moving toward joining the conflict against Germany.

Trump admires Putin and does not think it is worth it for the US to continue to help defend Europe against Putin's growing aggression and strength. He thinks that the US and Russia can be an ally against jihadistan. That may be true where it is in Russia's national interest . But as often as not ,Russia has supported international terrorism from all fronts ,including filtering jihadists from their borderlands into the ME that attacked US forces in the last decade . If an alliance with Moscow means that we should accept Putin's aggressive moves to reestablish Russian spheres of influence in former Soviet enslaved states then that is too high a price to pay for the alliance.Romney identified Russia as our top strategic threat . Now I think other threats like China and Jihadistan are more important at the moment, Russia ranks right up there .

One reason for NATO .... We have FOB in Europe instead of our shores. Trump has this quaint vision that the US can retreat across the vast seas and hide behind the fortress America he'll build ;one wall at a time .... the American version of the Maginot Line .We know that is a fallacy . 9-11-01 taught us that .

Everything NATO has done since the fall of the Berlin wall has been an American initiative ,or the US has been willing participants .The only time Article 5 was invoked was after 9-11-01 .European troops fought and died in Afghanistan along side American troops

Their maritime forced work side by side with our fleet in fighting piracy . Cyber attacks occur from all over the world .NATO and the US work together in areas like cyber security . NATO is monitoring potential threats that could disrupt the flow of energy resources .

A growing concern is competing claims in the Arctic .That directly affects the US and is right up against our border (Alaska).

So even if one has issues with R2P exercises like the Balkans and Libya ;NATO is still as relevent as it was during the cold war . It's not like we have the same committment to NATO that we had in the cold war. Back then we had 400,000 troops stationed there . Now we have less than 67,000 . The EU is our primary tradiing partner . That alone makes their defense in our interest . Yes I agree they should put more skin in the game . There may be a time when NATO is not needed . It is probably true that they need to redefine their mission. But now is not the time to end a trans-Atlantic treaty that has served us well for almost 70 years .

"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato

tomder55  posted on  2016-03-29   6:48:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: nativist nationalist (#0)

Trump’s phrase, “America First!” has a nice ring to it.

Trying to revive and rehabilitate the old "America First" label is a mistake. But Pat can't help himself any more than Trump can.

"America First" is generally odious to voters during the Cold War and post-Cold War era.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-29   6:53:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: tomder55 (#2) (Edited)

Yes I agree they should put more skin in the game . There may be a time when NATO is not needed . It is probably true that they need to redefine their mission. But now is not the time to end a trans-Atlantic treaty that has served us well for almost 70 years.

It is quite tacky in the immediate wake of a EU Muslim massacre for Trump to have said this. And, as usual, he just blundered into it. He has no idea of what he is talking about and apparently just blurts out any crude idea that comes into his head. Like the idea that Sean Hannity implanted into Trump at some townhall meeting that we should take the Mideast's oil and give all the profits to America's veterans. IOW, loot the Mideast. The interview with Vannity gives you some idea of how Trump makes policy choices.

I do agree that NATO should pull back considerably and stop trying to move eastward and that America should not bear 75% of NATO's costs. But what Trump is saying is very different. And his timing could hardly have been any worse.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-29   6:57:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TooConservative (#4)

It is quite tacky in the immediate wake of a EU Muslim massacre for Trump to have said this. And, as usual, he just blundered into it. He has no idea of what he is talking about and apparently just blurts out any crude idea that comes into his head.

Agree the man is a dunderhead, a populist, he is playing to the crowd. You can't just walk away from an organisation you started and from a situation where you have given people hope but then it wouldn't be the first time the US backed away and didn't defend someone who took them at their word

paraclete  posted on  2016-03-29   7:27:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: paraclete (#5) (Edited)

Agree the man is a dunderhead, a populist, he is playing to the crowd. You can't just walk away from an organisation you started and from a situation where you have given people hope but then it wouldn't be the first time the US backed away and didn't defend someone who took them at their word

I've said many times that NATO should be reduced, that the EU nations should be expected to do much more to defend themselves, that moving NATO eastward with the intent of causing Russia to collapse was a bad idea, that we should not shoulder 75% of NATO's costs.

But you don't say that just as there are major terror attacks in Brussels where NATO is headquartered, not when the bodies of the victims are still warm.

If a candidate wants to dump NATO or the UN, I'm generally in favor. But I wouldn't admire any candidate who suggested, for instance, in the wake of a terror attack on the U.N. that killed dozens that the right policy was to get rid of the UN.

The fact that Trump doesn't seem to realize this, that he has no self-editing ability, that he blurts out any random thought that floats through his head, that he has no advisers to tell him to shut his stupid mouth out of respect for the recently murdered victims in Europe (including Americans), it all points out what a lousy candidate and person of low character he really is.

If we leave NATO or cut back our role, this isn't the time or the way to address that issue. At least wait until the murdered victims of the terrorists have been buried.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-29   7:57:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: tomder55 (#2)

If an alliance with Moscow means that we should accept Putin's aggressive moves to reestablish Russian spheres of influence in former Soviet enslaved states then that is too high a price to pay for the alliance.

Romney identified Russia as our top strategic threat.

the American version of the Maginot Line .We know that is a fallacy . 9-11-01 taught us that .

Letting Russia reassert its dominance in the Stans would be a good thing, not a bad thing.

Romney is a boob.

What 9/11 SHOULD have taught us is to stop importing Muslims until we have the ability to screen them, track them, monitor them.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-03-29   8:04:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: paraclete, TooConservative, redleghunter (#5)

but then it wouldn't be the first time the US backed away and didn't defend someone who took them at their word

Unfortunately that is a true statement .

If you are interested and have some time ;there was an excellent conversation on the John Batchelor radio show last night on this issue ...specifically if the US were to abandon long time defense agreements in the Pacific rim ,and your corner of the world .

Time Machine to the Trump Administration, March, 2018: Asia Without the Mutual Defense of the US Navy.

"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato

tomder55  posted on  2016-03-29   8:04:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: TooConservative (#3)

"America First" is generally odious to voters during the Cold War and post-Cold War era.

So "generally odious" that Trump is leading the pack.

It's "generally odious" to people like YOU, which isn't as "general" as it used to be.

If Trump weren't saying that, it'd be something else. You'll never accept a change in strategic direction regarding Russia. You'll never accept Trump.

Fortunately for you, you've got Hillary. She'll double down on the Cold War, even declare a no-fly zone against the Russians over Syria.

Seems like you've got an easy choice this election. #NeverTrump - Go Hillary!

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-03-29   8:10:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: tomder55, Pericles, redleghunter (#8)

Time Machine to the Trump Administration, March, 2018: Asia Without the Mutual Defense of the US Navy.

An excellent panel discussion and it was fun to hear from Thad McCotter again. I would disagree with them on SKorea and Japan having their own nuke arsenal. If we let the Norks and Iran have nukes, we need to re-examine our non-proliferation policies. Our allies need to be able to protect themselves against aggressive actors (Russia, China, North Korea, Iran). Nor should our allies have to wonder if an American president will trade Chicago for Berlin or New York for Tokyo or L.A. for Seoul in a nuclear exchange.

I noticed in their sidebar his interview with Stephen Cohen, always worth hearing even if you don't agree with him. I'm going to listen to that one too.

AudioBoom: Tues 11/10/15 Hr2: Russia Rising, NATO Crouching: Stephen F. Cohen is Prof. Emeritus of Russian Studies NYU and Princeton. American Committee for East-West Accord (eastwestaccord.com).

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-29   9:07:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: TooConservative (#10)

I have issues with Cohen ;probably going back to the fact that he is married to America hater Katrina vanden Heuvel . He is certainly a Russophile . Whatever good points he makes is clouded by the fact that he never sees Russia doing anything wrong.

John Batchelor has the best show on radio . I used to tape them but now with the pod cast I can listen all morning .

"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato

tomder55  posted on  2016-03-29   9:32:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Vicomte13 (#7)

" What 9/11 SHOULD have taught us is to stop importing Muslims until we have the ability to screen them, track them, monitor them. "

Agree. Or, just stop importing them at all.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

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Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

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"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-03-29   9:41:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: tomder55 (#11)

John Batchelor has the best show on radio . I used to tape them but now with the pod cast I can listen all morning .

I may have to subscribe to it. He offers some real policy discussion in depth.

...

Okay, I did subscribe. He's on iTunes.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-29   10:22:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: tomder55 (#11)

I have issues with Cohen ;probably going back to the fact that he is married to America hater Katrina vanden Heuvel . He is certainly a Russophile .

I get that and have the same reservations. Yet he is an important voice in scholarship about Russia and an advocate for policy positions that need to be heard so the Cold Warrior types and neocons don't drown out every other voice in the marketplace of ideas. We need broader views in foreign policy generally, not narrower focus on the ideology of certain factions who jealously guard their power and influence over American foreign policy and public opinion.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-29   10:25:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: tomder55 (#2)

America First was the organization the Charles Lindbergh ,a Hitler admirer use to try to keep the United States out of WWII.

The America First movement was instrumental in delaying our entry into the war until we were more prepared. As it turned out we still had not rearmed completely by December of 1941, with the guys on Bataan and Wake Island paying for the eagerness of the internationalists to plunge us into the war. Had they been able to get us into the war in 1940 it would have been far worse.

And it worked out nicely that Hitler turned on his BFF Stalin before we entered the war. And we had no moral debt to save Britain and France anyway, they lied us into WW1 and reneged on their debts to us. Their behavior in WW1 was the reason Americans wanted no part in WW2.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2016-03-29   13:55:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

He's right that we should be cooperating with Russia closely in destroying Muslim terrorists that threaten us both.

NATO actually went to war in the Balkans on behalf of the Islamist's, and it was their initiative in Libya which made a present on much North African territory and Qaddafi's arsenal to the Islamist's. The resources expended upon NATO in the past quarter century have brought negative results for America. NATO is like the REA, a government program that keeps going on long after the need for it has ended.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2016-03-29   14:00:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: TooConservative (#3)

Trying to revive and rehabilitate the old "America First" label is a mistake. But Pat can't help himself any more than Trump can.

"America First" is generally odious to voters during the Cold War and post-Cold War era.

Jews don't like it one bit, that's the real issue for you. America First cannot be Israel First, you guys like to whine about separation of church and state, which is fine, but we really need separation of synagogue and state. Much of our recent troubles in the Middle East could have been avoid had your tribe practiced what you preach.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2016-03-29   14:04:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: nativist nationalist (#17)

America First cannot be Israel First, you guys like to whine about separation of church and state, which is fine, but we really need separation of synagogue and state.

I'm not Jewish. I noticed two others on the forum recently claimed that they are but I'm not one of them.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-29   15:36:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: tomder55 (#8)

if the US were to abandon long time defense agreements in the Pacific rim ,and your corner of the world .

Yes Tom I'm sure we are conscious of it as we ramp up defense spending. China has already made overtures to us so we don't consider them an enemy as you do, afterall it was us who began the process to bring them in from the cold so long ago but it is time Japan and Korea looked to their own nuclear defense in tha face of two nuclear neighbours

paraclete  posted on  2016-03-29   17:29:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: paraclete (#19)

yeah great idea ;more proliferation .

"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato

tomder55  posted on  2016-03-29   18:58:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: tomder55 (#20)

yeah great idea ;more proliferation .

and what does non proliferation promote Tom, it allows certain nations to thumb their noses at the US. I think it would be better that my nation acquired nuclear weapons, arsehole muslim nations like Indonesia would be must slower to test our mettle if our sting included nuclear weapons and it wouldn't be hard for us to acquire the capability, we are no stranger to nuclear research, we have the raw materials in abundance and the need to convert our generation from coal, we could convert our navy to nuclear and improve our strike capability

paraclete  posted on  2016-03-29   19:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: paraclete (#21)

Not to be too nosy but I can't recall where you are. Was it the Philippines?

I fully understand if you choose not to answer. I'm just curious.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-30   8:47:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: TooConservative (#22) (Edited)

Not to be too nosy but I can't recall where you are.

I live over the rainbow in the fabulous land of Oz, ruled by the wizard, Turncoat Malcolm and his friends, the flaxen haired Julie, the brainless Scott, the heartless Barnaby, and the cowardly Arthur. The wicked witch of the North, Bronwyn, has been banished for riding her helicopter, and the wicked witch of the south, Jacqui waits to ensnare the unwary

paraclete  posted on  2016-03-30   21:30:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: paraclete (#23)

Meh. Doesn't matter anyway.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-31   2:14:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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