The Establishments war on Donald Trump
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Title: Trump’s delegate danger
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Politico
URL Source: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/ ... s-republican-convention-221274
Published: Mar 28, 2016
Author: Kyle Cheney
Post Date: 2016-03-28 10:34:07 by cranky
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Comments: 46
He’s beating Cruz at the ballot, but he’s months behind in the battle to make those wins count at the convention. Donald Trump: “I have a guy going around trying to steal people's delegates. This is supposed to be America, a free America.” Ben Carson is hitting the trail for Donald Trump this weekend, but don’t expect to see him at any rallies or town halls. In fact, don’t expect to see him at all — unless you’re a North Dakota Republican insider. Carson is flying into Fargo to huddle with the state’s GOP activists, who are convening to elect 25 delegates to the Republican National Convention. They’re a small bloc of the 2,472 delegates who will ultimately pick the party’s presidential nominee when they meet in Cleveland in July, and Carson is meeting with them this weekend to make sure at least a few of them pick Trump when they get there. Carson’s trip is the Trump campaign’s highest profile play yet for delegates, and it comes as the mogul arrives at a perilous moment: he may be lapping Ted Cruz at the ballot box, but Cruz is outmaneuvering him in the quieter — and equally crucial — hunt for loyal delegates. Trump is virtually certain to arrive in Cleveland with millions more votes than Cruz or John Kasich, but he could still fall short of clinching the nomination outright. That would throw the contest to the delegates — and if Cruz packs the arena with supporters, Trump could watch the nomination slip away from him. And he knows it. “I have a guy going around trying to steal people's delegates. This is supposed to be America, a free America,” he said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week.” “You know, welcome to the Republican Party. What's going on in the Republican Party is a disgrace. I have so many more votes and so many more delegates. And, frankly, whoever at the end, whoever has the most votes and the most delegates should be the nominee.” Trump’s palpable frustration is a sign of how rapidly the hunt for delegates is overtaking the primary itself as the most critical battle in the 2016 GOP nominating process. While Trump cries foul, Cruz is racking up support from prospective delegates across the country, even in states where Trump dominated the primary. From Louisiana to Georgia to South Carolina — all Trump victories — delegates and delegate candidates are lining up to back Cruz, who’s romped among the Republican activist class that tends to control this part of the process. South Dakota’s delegates and early contests in Iowa also appear to favor Cruz. “I've been telling the Trump campaign for eight months now that they're making a mistake by not reaching out to RNC members to establish relationships,” said one South Carolina Republican participating in the state’s delegate selection process. “He hasn't done any of that. ... That's usually the kind of thing that presidential candidates do.” None of this matters much if Trump grabs the 1,237 pledged delegates he’d likely need to win a majority vote on the convention’s first ballot. But if he doesn’t, the convention could go to further rounds of voting where many delegates are free to vote for a candidate of their choosing — and that’s where Trump could run into trouble. In a contested convention, the South Carolina Republican added, “Every state delegation will turn to its state chairman and RNC members and say, ‘What should we do?’ There's no loyalty. It would be very easy for those state leaders to cut and run on Trump.” In state after state, GOP leaders report impressive efforts by the Cruz campaign to understand the intricacies of local delegate battles and maneuver to install its loyalists in coveted convention slots. “There’s a definite gradation of their efforts. Cruz’s campaign is very active. They are actively trying to get Cruz-friendly delegates elected,” said Jeff Kaufmann, chairman of the Iowa Republican Party. “Trump’s campaign has that as a goal but isn’t doing it as aggressively.” “My gut tells me the more effort you put into this, the more likely to get the outcome you desire,” he added. For Trump, April could make or break his efforts to build delegate loyalty. More delegates to the convention are up for grabs than in any other month on the calendar, with nearly a third of the convention’s 2,472 slots set to be filled. In addition, the schedule of statewide primary contests has slowed dramatically; only Wisconsin and New York will hold primaries before April 26. At the same time, more than half the states will name some or all of their delegates to the national convention. In the first 10 days of April alone, votes are scheduled in Kentucky, Tennessee, Wisconsin, Michigan, Colorado, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, North Dakota and South Carolina. The Cruz campaign’s advantage is that the Texas senator’s base is full of the GOP’s most committed conservative activists — and his team is working to ensure that they turn out to the state and local party conventions. “We are focused on, after we won a state, going back, making sure we get delegates to hold their commitment to vote for our campaign,” Cruz campaign manager Jeff Roe told reporters this month. “That’s a laborious process.” Cruz got thumped across the South by Trump, losing states like Georgia, Louisiana and Alabama, where his team once touted extensive grassroots networks that were expected to slow Trump's momentum. But where those networks fell short on primary day, they're now dominating local and state conventions. “It’s a big part of the process to make sure your delegates don’t get stolen,” Roe said. “In that process we make sure that we have slates of people that are supporting Ted Cruz fill those delegate slots. We make sure people that are bound to vote for us — people that are supporting Ted Cruz. So that’s county by county, congressional district by congressional district, state by state process that’s ongoing for the states that have already voted.” Complicating Trump’s plans is the byzantine patchwork of rules that govern each state’s delegate selection process — ranging from congressional district conventions to statewide party gatherings to exclusive meetings of the local GOP executive committee. It often occurs in stages, with some delegates named in local elections, while a set of at-large delegates are picked separately. “There are already slates being formed by the Cruz, Trump and Kasich campaigns,” said Steve House, chairman of the Republican Party of Colorado, which will select 34 delegates over the next two weeks in congressional district conventions and an April 9 statewide convention. The widely varying processes create a complex set of decisions for campaigns, which must decide where to deploy resources and surrogates to snag delegates, while keeping one eye on the upcoming primary contests. Campaign advisers to all three campaigns have described a process of coaxing support from delegates that includes one-by-one persuasion and horse-trading. Delegates from Puerto Rico, for example, could get a commitment of support for statehood. Delegates from Ohio might respond to a promise on opposition to the TPP trade deal. House, the Colorado GOP chairman, said Trump and Cruz had tapped local surrogates to spearhead their delegate efforts. Kasich had deployed resources from his national campaign to persuade potential delegates as well. “We’ve seen activity from everybody through surrogates or directly. They’re all working on ground games. They’ve reached out to ask questions to get delegate names and processes.” So far, Kaisch — who has staked his campaign on prevailing in a contested convention — appears to be less of a threat to Trump than Cruz. He was the lone candidate to send a surrogate to South Dakota last week, when the state picked 26 convention delegates. But his efforts didn’t immediately bear fruit as most delegates told POLITICO they’d either remain neutral or support Cruz. He's corralled support from important insiders in South Carolina, including the operatives who helped engineer the reelection of state party chairman Matt Moore last year, but so far few prospective delegates around the country have indicated publicly that they're likely to support Kasich in an open convention. If Kasich arrives at the convention in his best-case scenario — with wins across the Northeast and a share of delegates from the Pacific Coast states — he'll still need more than 800 delegates to flip his way on a subsequent ballot. So far, the Ohio governor’s best argument is that he leads Clinton in head-to-head polling matchups. His campaign leaders have openly speculated that Mitt Romney is angling to jump into the fray in a contested convention — citing his surprise endorsement of Ted Cruz, just a week after campaigning with Kasich in Ohio. "Mitt & a few nervous establishment types are trying to rush voters to someone who would lose like McGovern," top Kasich strategist John Weaver tweeted last week. "Unless he has other motivations?" In North Dakota, committeeman Curly Haugland said he hadn’t seen much evidence yet of a fight for delegates, though he expects the energy to pick up this week. Carson says he plans to make a heartfelt pitch for Trump. “I’m really gonna be advocating for America. But the person that I feel, of the people who are running, who has the interests of America at heart most is Donald,” Carson said in a phone interview. But even Carson may have a difficult time corralling support for Trump there. That’s because the state’s GOP severely restricts who’s eligible to become a delegate. Applicants are graded based on their long-term support for the Republican Party – from making donations to participating in previous state conventions to having run for a seat in the State Legislature. They’re ultimately picked by an 11-member panel that includes the state party chairman and North Dakota’s two national Republican committeemen. It also requires all applicants to sign a pledge that could become difficult to honor in a primary increasingly defined by a movement by party insiders to shun Trump: “If I am elected to serve as a delegate/alternate to the National Republican Convention, I pledge to support the party’s choice of nominee.” Quirks and nuances like that apply all over the country. For example, in Connecticut, candidates may submit their preferred slate of delegates — but all choices are subject to final approval by the state party leadership. In Wisconsin, the statewide plurality winner gets final approval of 15 “at-large” delegates, while all candidates get input, but not final say, on the 24 delegates selected at the local level. And in Wyoming, the list of potential delegates is set by a party-controlled nominating committee. Similar restrictions apply in South Carolina, where delegate candidates must have participated in the state’s 2015 Republican convention. That could come back to bite Trump, who has spurned establishment Republicans since he entered the race and may now have to watch as they drive a process that could cast him aside in favor of another presidential nominee. Of course, there’s a simple way for Trump to avoid the conflict altogether: earn enough support in the remaining 17 statewide primaries to effectively guarantee the nomination before delegates get a voice in the process. If he can capture the mandatory support of a majority of the convention delegates on a first ballot, all the machinations are likely to be for nothing. “The smartest thing we can do,” said Barry Bennett, a Trump convention strategist, “is get to 1,237.” 
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He's not doing it because he's not really running for President. Ross Perot,Part 2. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Except Perot actually got on some ballots. I still don't think Trump will. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
“I have a guy going around trying to steal people's delegates. This is supposed to be America, a free America,” he said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week.” “You know, welcome to the Republican Party. What's going on in the Republican Party is a disgrace. I have so many more votes and so many more delegates. And, frankly, whoever at the end, whoever has the most votes and the most delegates should be the nominee.” Trump claims the only prez he admires is Lincoln. Well, Lincoln definitely packed the 1860 convention with his delegates. He could never have become president if he didn't deal from the bottom of the deck to defeat democracy at the convention. It's worth recalling that Obama beat Hitlery in 2008 exactly this way. He gobbled up all the caucus delegates and the late-awarded delegates. That gave him the opening to convince Dem leaders (all superdelegates) that he could beat Hitlery and win the presidency. Cruz is taking advantage of his extensive organizational advantage. And Trump, having failed to do his homework and hire pros to get the job done, just blusters about it with threats to wreck the party if he isn't the nominee.
Interesting theory - or maybe he wasn't doing it because The Donald always thinks The Donald knows better than everyone else.
I don't think it will do him any good. The RNC and major donors don't like him any more than they like Trump and won't have any use for him after Trump is shown the door. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
Dumping Trump as top vote-getter and then bypassing the second big vote-getter like Cruz would probably be even more damaging to the GOP than just letting Trump be the nominee. With longtime foes like the Stain and Lady Lindsey and Jeb Bush swinging in behind Cruz, I think Cruz is the only possible nominee other than Trump. The only way they could wiggle out of picking Cruz on a second ballot would be a solid sex scandal with real evidence like the ones being shopped around now by the Enquirer.
You can do that if you are not serious about winning. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I believe differently. I've read several times over several years that Cruz is routinely named the most despised man in Washington. I haven't read the the same thing about Trump. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
The source of that talk was mostly McStain and Lindsey Graham, both of whom now support Cruz. They hated Cruz the most, no doubt. But they couldn't imagine a Trump. For instance, a Trump that talks about dumping NATO or giving a pass to Putin, etc. They only thought they hated Cruz until they considered Trump.
I haven't read the the same thing about Trump. Trump has lined too many pockets to be the most despised man in Washington.
Donald Trump is undermining his own claim to competency by being outmaneuvered in the delegate process.
"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato
The Atlantic, NYMag, Salon, The Hill, The Federalist, Boston U, the Federalist, etc don't really support that statement. Foreignpolicy.com labeled him as such back in 2013. But believe what you want, it's all the same to me. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
I'm pretty sure Trump greases the skids at the local rather than the Federal level. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
And undermining his own claim to leadership by whining about the 'unfairness' of being required to get a majority of delegates.
And he certainly WILL wreck the party if he's not the nominee. I know I certainly will not be voting for any Republican BUT Trump. Put Trump on the ticket, I will vote a straight Republican ticket, because he'll be the head of the party, and he has made it possible for me to vote Republican again - and he'll need a Republican Congress to get things done. But give me the finger by denying Trump the nomination, and I'll stay home and vote for no Republicans at all. That won't matter at the federal level in CT, but it certainly matters at the local level. And I'm just one in millions and millions who haven't come out to vote, but are THIS time, for Trump. Given the ways that Republicans have made themselves odious, Trump has done a remarkable thing by expanding the party and thereby making it competitive. Deny him that, and you lose those votes. You get President Hillary and a Democrat Congress, and a Democrat Supreme Court for the first time since 1969, and you'll deserve it. Cruz is an oily weasel. He cannot beat Hillary. Trump can.
patriotupdate.com/donald-...s-donations-to-democrats/ : According to a Center for Responsive Politics analysis of Trump’s federal campaign contribution history, The Donald has been a prolific donor to both Democrats and Republicans during the past two decades. In all, Trump has contributed to 96 candidates running for federal political office since the 1990 election cycle, the Center finds. Only 48 of the recipients — exactly half — were Republicans at the time they received their contribution, including ex-Gov. Charlie Crist (I-Fla.) and ex-Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.), who both of whom received their Trump contributions as Republicans. Since the 1990 election cycle, the top 10 recipients of Trump’s political contributions number six Democrats and four Republicans. Embattled Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.), who was censured last year by his U.S. House colleagues, has received the most Trump money, totaling $24,750. The most recent contribution from Trump to Rangel was a $10,000 gift during the 2006 election cycle.
That's The Donald being The Donald.
Republicans have undermined their possibility of ruling by having been so disastrous at it for the past 28 years. With Trump, you've got a new electorate willing to give you crapweasels another chance. Without him, you've got Hillary and the first Democrat Supreme Court since 1969. And given the utter incompetence and buffoonery of the Republicans who have controlled Congress for the past few years, we know from Obama's example that a strong Democrat who wields executive orders and has the Supreme Court in her pocket will rule without Congress. So, it's all on the line this time. If you manage to oust Trump from the leading position, you will have succeeded in ensuring that the Republican Party will never win another election for as long as you live, for with the Supreme Court under Clinton's control, she will be able to remake America by Executive Order in such a way that the next election will have an unstoppable illegal alien voter pool. And given that Trump is the ONLY ONE who will actually build the wall and deport, and the only one who has those positions who can get himself elected, it looks as though you've faced the choice and decided that you hate Trump so much that you are going to commit suicide to prevent him from winning. Which is funny, because he'll go back to Mar-a-Lago and his beautiful family, but your grandchildren will have to learn Spanish in order to deal with their own government. So, enjoy your defeat - because any way you go, you lose.
Prolific? Not the adjective I'd use. If his top contribution was $24,750, I'd guess all his political contributions totaled wouldn't cover the money he paid under the table just in NJ for his three casinos. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
Burn Cleveland, burn! Trump's convention consultants will start a race riot unless he's nominated on the first ballot, and blame it on Rafael E. Cruz. I still think that a whiny blowhard bully like Trump in the end can't make the sale.
I'd love to see Trump v Hildebeest. But I just can't see the RNC paying for it. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
The party may well consider him to be such a disaster that they'd rather cede the election to Hitlery than to cede the Senate and a lot of House seats to the Dems. The GOP has more seats in Congress, in state legislatures and statehouses than at any time in its history. One presidential election may not mean that much to the party honchos.
He's amazingly cheap. Look at him sending out poor Ben Carson to try to scoop up a few delegates in the Dakotas. It's like a bad joke. It brings to mind how he undercut his own GOTV team by refusing to give them any money. He might have shut Cruz out in Iowa if only he had spent a few million there.
Then there's something I'm missing. Given the destruction that Hillary would wreak -- including Supreme Court appointments -- what would Trump do that would be worse, making him a "disaster"?
Yeah, I agree !
Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
I'm not in the mood to waste keystrokes, trying to dissuade a Moonie.
shhh ;you are not supposed to bring up the mob angle until he secures the nomination . Then the Dems will go to town on the issue. "If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato
Can you imagine the cost of doing business in a town like Chicago must be? There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
Steal the nomination from Trump, and you will have a massive number of people stay home or vote Democrat. The Republicans will lose seats, probably lose the Senate. And no matter what, if Hillary is elected, the Republicans will lose the Supreme Court for the first time in 47 years.
Surely if Trump is worse than Hillary -- to the point where the GOP would actually cede the election to her -- you can give me some reasons. Empty rhetoric. Hollow words. Perhaps wishful thinking. But the bottom line is you have no idea WTF you're talking about.
I'm not in the mood to waste keystrokes, trying to dissuade a Moonie. I've heard of misterwhite being called a LOT of things, - but a Moonie?
Perhaps explained by libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=45381&Disp=1#C1
Trump is worse in the sense of what the GOP party ideals are. Trump is culturally incompatible with the GOP. And he has no real policy ideas at all. Or a track record to inspire any confidence that he can solve problems in government or lead the country ably. Trump does have the potential to be a worse president than either 0bama or Hitlery. And that would destroy what the GOP is, not just some temporary matter than can be countered or overcome politically as would the actions of a Prez Hitlery. Trump reminds me most of George Dumbya Bush in style and (lack of) substance. If elected, Trump really could be an absolute disaster for the country and for the GOP.
VERY good choice of term !! Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
Stupidity and cowardice are the ideals the cuckservatives have exhibited for decades.
You've resigned yourself to the idea that a Democrat is better than Trump - anybody but Trump! #NeverTrump! Which means a Democrat Supreme Court. Bye-bye Second Amendment. Bye-bye "corporations are people too", and campaign contributions are "political speech". Bye-bye religious exceptions.
Word Origin and History for odium Expand c.1600, "fact of being hated," from Latin odium "ill-will, hatred, grudge, animosity; offense, offensive conduct," related to odi "I hate" (infinitive odisse), from PIE root *od- "to hate" (cf. Armenian ateam "I hate," Old Norse atall, Old English atol "dire, horrid, loathsome"). Meaning "hatred, detestation" is from 1650s. Often in an extended form, e.g. odium theologicum "hatred which is proverbially characteristic of theological disputes" (1670s). Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper
True. We can't have a guy would would actually build a wall, deport people who are here illegally, halt the influx of undocumented Muslims, create jobs, insist on fair trade, end Obamacare, end Common Core, and support the second amendment. Why, we want a candidate who only TALKS about these things, not implement them. "And he has no real policy ideas at all." https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions "Or a track record to inspire any confidence that he can solve problems in government or lead the country ably." Ah. So you'd prefer a career politician. Like that's worked. "Trump does have the potential to be a worse president than either 0bama or Hitlery." Oh, please. You can't give me one solid reason to support that statement. Scare-mongering may work with some but not with me.
Normally sane people are turning into babbling idiots when you mention Trump's name. I've never seen anything like it. And they can't tell you why. They regurgitate some garbage they were fed by the MSM (Trump hates all women, Trump hates all Muslims, Trump hates all Mexicans) and think they're spouting words of wisdom. Maybe if Trump was open borders, or pro-abortion, or anti-second amendment or something like that. Then I'd understand. But the crap his detractors come up with is almost comical.
Which means a Democrat Supreme Court. You're loved these Democrats all along, embracing their every policy as some fulfillment of the Catholic social gospel that you advocate. Now you sound like someone retreating while trying to shoot their hostages. Trump has been on the lib Dem side a lot more often than anything you'd call the conservative policy. You're deluding yourself if Donald, the man of your dreams, would actually be the kind of president you presently try to convince yourself (and the rest of us) that he is. All on no factual basis or actual record. In fact, the facts and Trump's record argue strongly against your notions of what a Trump presidency would be like. I. Will. Not. Vote. For. Trump. Ever. You may as well get used to the idea.
I don't believe Trump would actually do any of those things. His public remarks over decades indicate exactly the opposite. But he is a ringmaster and knows how to play a crowd with what they want to hear. Enjoy the circus. And don't forget the sideshows.
Do you oppose Trump because you believe he won't do those things or because you think he will do those things?
You may as well get used to the idea. I don't love Democrats. The only Democrat I've ever voted for was the Congressman who nominated me to Annapolis back in the early 1980s. I don't embrace their every policy. Examples of Democrat policies I do not embrace: Abortion on demand. Gay marriage. Hate Speech codes. Open borders. Efforts to oppose voting integrity at the polling booths. Nanny taxes on soda pop. Global Warming regulation that blocks energy development. Israel First foreign policy. Putin-is-the-Devil foreign policy. Free trade with China. Of course, many of those policies are also Republican policies, by positive act or willful inaction. I don't love Democrats, and I don't embrace their policies. You keep saying it, because you can't stretch your mind out of the narrow little paradigm in which it lives, but every time you say it you make me laugh at your mental inflexibility and limited capacity to understand anything that doesn't fit into your sandbox. And then there are those policies upon which I don't completely agree with the Democrats, because what they propose doesn't get the job done, but on which Republican policies are cold, mean and stupid. Example Number 1: Universal health insurance. I believe in it. I believe, specifically, that health insurance should be universal, single payer, and paid for by federal taxes. I think that everybody in the country, from the womb to the tomb, should be fully covered by Medicare, that there should be a personal co-pay to keep the prices under control, and that Medicaid should be government coverage of the co-pay for the poor. I do not believe in employer-provided health insurance, but in high quality health insurance as a universal right. I would not block the existence of a superior "for profit" health care system for the rich, but I would completely disallow any sort of tax deduction for the costs of doing such business. The population should not in any way subsidize an elite health system. If the rich can one one on a wholly unsubsidized basis, they may do with their money whatever they please, but there should be no "cost of doing business" tax subsidy for such businesses. Likewise, I believe in universal education, from pre-school through college. I also believe in financial transparency. I do not believe in tax breaks or tax deducations. Rather, I believe in flat wealth taxes without deducations, at a low rate. That is the fairest system of all. I believe that the government should live within those means...and I recognize that as a practical matter it means we cannot support both Scandinavian levels of social protection AND a world empire. So I am ready, willing and eager to put the world empire on the chopping block and end it. I do not believe in foreign aid to Israel, or Europe, or Asia. The only foreign aid I am willing to see is humanitarian aid to places hit by famine, disease and crisis. I believe that by friendship with Russia, which means recognizing Russia's sphere of influence in the Asian and Muslim regions bordering Russia and in the Ukraine) is the surest way to dramatically reduce demands on the US military and military costs. I believe that our closest friend is and ought to be Canada, with whom we share a common language, culture, shared history, and general outlook. THAT border should be open, and the Canadian and American economy should be as fully integrated as possible, for our mutual benefit. Mexico is the developing nation into which we should concentrate our efforts. If we're going to offshore factories, the only place where we should be giving any sort of tax deductions should be Mexico and Central America, for the very self-interested purpose of ensuring that employment levels and social welfare in those places is sufficient to stop the pressure of mass emigration to here. We should not be building up Communist China at all. "Free" trade with Communists makes them stronger and stronger, and that's bad. None of this is Democrat politics. None of it is Republican politics. This is MY politics. Democrats are obsessed with gun control. Republicans are obsessed with preventing gun control. I am completely uninterested in the issue. Don't care. Willing to trade that issue for the things I care about. I oppose the death penalty because the American justice system is too corrupt to reliably administer it, and always will be. I advocate Catholic social gospel, believing it to be God's will. I see those who oppose it as thralls of Satan, witting or no. And I'm a realist, and I have a memory. I already know that the Republicans will never move on abortion, and that their actions will essentially parallel the Democrats, so I've discounted the issue. The population has to change before there will be movement there. I know that the Republicans have opposed every effort to create a proper social insurance structure, starting with Social Security and Unemployment insurance back in the 1930s, through Medicare and Medicaid, food stamps, and now, Obamacare. I've heard the various economic arguments brought forward by Republicans, and considered them, and rejected them. They're wrong about this, and always have been. I know that the old men who bellow at me their political hatred for the social welfare state are themselves dependent on Social Security and Medicare to avoid destitution in retirement, and that they learned to read at the knee of the state in public schools, and that many got their college educations and first houses through the VA. So, I hear them grouse, and I discard their economic views as being the rantings of stubborn old fools. If they ever got what they say they want, most of them would have lived their whole lives in poverty and would have died younger and poorer. I recognize that Democrat economic and social insurance policies have been imperfectly conceived and run, but I recognize that the alternative Republicans have opposed has been nothing. Mediocrity is vastly preferable to darkness and calamity. So yes, I think Democrats are far more intelligent on most economic matters than Republicans, and have consistently been so since Franklin Roosevelt saved the free world with his economic and military policies of the New Deal. And yet, I don't vote for Democrats because Democrats are wrong on moral issues: abortion in particular (not exclusively). I know that once upon a time the Democrats were the party of slavery, segregation and the sort of ignorant racism that makes me want to beat people. I know that Republicans freed the slaves, and Republicans drove desegregation of the South. But then I know the Republicans pivoted. Because Republicans were, and still are, utter fools on economic matters, they found themselves running out a constituency, so they embraced racist Southerners starting with Nixon and ran on that vote. And now, thanks to contraception (about which the Catholic Church was always right) and their own stupid economic policies (including immigration), the Republicans are running out of racist whites to vote for them, so they're losing. Obamacare was poorly conceived (it copied a Republican system: Romneycare, which was poorly conceived by a corporate raider) and alienated many, so the Republicans managed to get control of Congress back. But they've shown their idiocy and intransigence with the way they've run Congress, so now they're on the verge of losing it all. And they should. I'm never going to sign back onto the sinking ship of fools that is the Republican Party. Trump is different. Or I perceive him to be so. Republicans hate him for the reasons that he's different. So it looks like we're going to have Hillary. And that means a Democrat Supreme Court. Which means swift, decisive, never-to-be-reversed Democrat victories on gun control, health care, and various civil and political rights in the next two years. And those victories will so fundamentally alter the landscape that Republicans will never be able to win anything again: there are too few of them to do it. So, we're headed back into one party rule. Trump could stop it, but people like you hate Trump so bad, you'll have Hillary or Sanders, and Democrat socialism. Ok. I'll mourn for the babies. But I've been doing that for a long time under successive Republican and Democrat administrations, and will continue to. You'll never support Trump. And you will absolutely hate the government of your country for the rest of your life. I'd love to see Trump win, but I will be relatively content and well off with the government from the rest of my life if you and your type manage to foist off a Cruz on us - Cruz can't win. Jeb can't win. You've got nobody but Trump who can. You won't support Trump, so you get Hillary. Fair enough. I can live with Hillary. You can't. Either way, I win. Either way, you lose. Sucks to be you.
TL; DR
Summary: Enjoy Hillary. You'll hate things under the Democrat regime a lot more than I will.
“I've been telling the Trump campaign for eight months now that they're making a mistake by not reaching out to RNC members to establish relationships,” said one South Carolina Republican participating in the state’s delegate selection process. “He hasn't done any of that. ... That's usually the kind of thing that presidential candidates do.”
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Ross Perot,Part 2.
#3. To: cranky (#0)
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...if Cruz packs the arena with supporters, Trump could watch the nomination slip away from him. And he knows it.
The Cruz campaign’s advantage is that the Texas senator’s base is full of the GOP’s most committed conservative activists — and his team is working to ensure that they turn out to the state and local party conventions. “We are focused on, after we won a state, going back, making sure we get delegates to hold their commitment to vote for our campaign,” Cruz campaign manager Jeff Roe told reporters this month. “That’s a laborious process.”
#4. To: sneakypete (#1)
He's not doing it because he's not really running for President.
#5. To: TooConservative (#3)
Cruz is taking advantage of his extensive organizational advantage.
#6. To: cranky (#5)
(Edited)
The RNC and major donors don't like him any more than they like Trump and won't have any use for him after Trump is shown the door.
They don't hate or fear Cruz nearly as much as Trump.
#7. To: TooConservative (#3)
(Edited)
And Trump, having failed to do his homework and hire pros to get the job done, just blusters about it with threats to wreck the party if he isn't the nominee.
#8. To: TooConservative (#6)
They don't hate or fear Cruz nearly as much as Trump.
#9. To: cranky (#8)
I've read several times over several years that Cruz is routinely named the most despised man in Washington.
#10. To: cranky (#8)
I've read several times over several years that Cruz is routinely named the most despised man in Washington.
#11. To: TooConservative (#3)
#12. To: TooConservative (#9)
The source of that talk was mostly McStain and Lindsey Graham, both of whom now support Cruz.
#13. To: ConservingFreedom (#10)
Trump has lined too many pockets to be the most despised man in Washington.
#14. To: tomder55 (#11)
Donald Trump is undermining his own claim to competency by being outmaneuvered in the delegate process.
#15. To: TooConservative (#3)
And Trump, having failed to do his homework and hire pros to get the job done, just blusters about it with threats to wreck the party if he isn't the nominee.
#16. To: cranky (#13)
I'm pretty sure Trump greases the skids at the local rather than the Federal level.
#17. To: TooConservative (#3)
And Trump, having failed to do his homework and hire pros to get the job done, just blusters about it with threats to wreck the party if he isn't the nominee.
#18. To: tomder55 (#11)
Donald Trump is undermining his own claim to competency by being outmaneuvered in the delegate process.
#19. To: ConservingFreedom (#16)
The Donald has been a prolific donor to both Democrats and Republicans
#20. To: cranky (#0)
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#21. To: ConservingFreedom (#14)
And undermining his own claim to leadership by whining about the 'unfairness' of being required to get a majority of delegates.
#22. To: hondo68 (#20)
Trump's convention consultants will start a race riot unless he's nominated on the first ballot, and blame it on Rafael E. Cruz.
#23. To: Vicomte13 (#15)
And he certainly WILL wreck the party if he's not the nominee.
#24. To: ConservingFreedom (#17)
That's The Donald being The Donald.
#25. To: TooConservative (#23)
"The party may well consider him to be such a disaster that they'd rather cede the election to Hitlery"
#26. To: misterwhite (#25)
#27. To: misterwhite (#25)
#28. To: cranky (#19)
If his top contribution was $24,750, I'd guess all his political contributions totaled wouldn't cover the money he paid under the table just in NJ for his three casinos.
#29. To: tomder55 (#28)
shhh ;you are not supposed to bring up the mob angle until he secures the nomination
#30. To: TooConservative (#23)
The GOP has more seats in Congress, in state legislatures and statehouses than at any time in its history. One presidential election may not mean that much to the party honchos.
#31. To: TooConservative (#27)
"I'm not in the mood to waste keystrokes, trying to dissuade a Moonie."
#32. To: TooConservative (#27)
To: misterwhite (#25)
#33. To: TooConservative (#24)
(Edited)
He's amazingly cheap.
He's amazingly cheap.
#34. To: misterwhite (#31)
Surely if Trump is worse than Hillary
#35. To: Vicomte13 (#15)
" Republicans have made themselves odious "
#36. To: TooConservative (#34)
Trump is worse in the sense of what the GOP party ideals are.
#37. To: TooConservative (#34)
Trump reminds me most of George Dumbya Bush in style and (lack of) substance. If elected, Trump really could be an absolute disaster for the country and for the GOP.
#38. To: Stoner (#35)
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#39. To: TooConservative (#34)
"Trump is culturally incompatible with the GOP."
#40. To: Vicomte13 (#37)
"You've resigned yourself to the idea that a Democrat is better than Trump"
#41. To: Vicomte13 (#37)
You've resigned yourself to the idea that a Democrat is better than Trump - anybody but Trump! #NeverTrump!
Bye-bye Second Amendment. Bye-bye "corporations are people too", and campaign contributions are "political speech". Bye-bye religious exceptions.
#42. To: misterwhite (#39)
True. We can't have a guy would would actually build a wall, deport people who are here illegally, halt the influx of undocumented Muslims, create jobs, insist on fair trade, end Obamacare, end Common Core, and support the second amendment.
#43. To: TooConservative (#42)
(Edited)
"I don't believe Trump would actually do any of those things."
#44. To: TooConservative (#41)
(Edited)
You're loved these Democrats all along, embracing their every policy as some fulfillment of the Catholic social gospel that you advocate. ... I. Will. Not. Vote. For. Trump. Ever.
#45. To: Vicomte13 (#44)
#46. To: TooConservative (#45)
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