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Title: Is defeat probable for GOP if Trump wins nomination?
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URL Source: http://m.csmonitor.com/1980/0305/030542.html
Published: Mar 20, 2016
Author: Richard J. Cattani
Post Date: 2016-03-20 07:53:30 by no gnu taxes
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Comments: 29

The nation's Republicans are working against the clock to answer two key questions: Can conservative Ronald Reagan possibly attract enough independent and Democratic votes to win in November?

An if he is likely to lose, has former President Gerald Ford time enough to challenge him for the GOP nomination?

The consensus among political experts is that time has probably already run out for Gerald Ford, though he still appears the stronger choice to beat Jimmy Carter in November.

But some experts caution: Don't count Ronald Reagan out as a national candidate for the fall. He is not, they say, "a McGovern or a Goldwater" -- fringe candidates who led their parties to one-sided defeats in 1972 and 1964. Intellectuals don't want to take him seriously, but he does well with working-class voters. He would take the West, challenge President Carter in the South, and do well in the pivotal Midwest states like Ohio and Illinois, whose southern regions titled toward Carter in 1976, they say.

"Winability has long been used as an argument against Reagan, and has been proved wrong," says California pollster Mervin D. Field."in 1966, after he became the darling of the conservatives for his fund-raising pitch for [Sen. Barry] Goldwater, people thought Reagan would have been easier for Pat [Edmund G.] Brown to defeat for the governorship than the moderate, dynamic George Christopher, mayor of San Francisco. Brown was hoping his opponent would be Reagan. But it blew up in his face. Reagan beat Brown.

"The unpopularity, the negative quotient-of Governor Brown was the most critical factor in his loss," Mr. Field says.

The November 1980 election similarly could come down to a test between negative ratings, he says.

"Reagan's age, the feeling 'he's out of it,'" could be offset by "disappointment with Carter on inflation and foreign affairs," Mr. Field says. "In the Truman-Dewey, Nixon-Kennedy, Johnson-Goldwater elections, the winning candidate was the one with the lowest negative score, not true majority public support."

"Reagan is the opponent of choice for Carter," says I. A. Lewis, director of the Los Angeles Times Poll, a point on which most analysts agree. "But Reagan can reach across and cause mischief in the Democratic constituency," Mr. Lewis says. "Reagan appeals to blue collar, working-class voters. He can win Democratic votes."

"Carter could beat Reagan more easily than he could Bush or Baker," Mr. Lewis says. "A moderate Republican would appeal to moderate Democrats, while upper-income Republicans might defect from Reagan to the Demcorats. Ford is of course, the strogest in the polls against Carter. But if he became a candidate, he could sink the same way Kennedy did after he declared."

Elections analyst Richard Scammon, who thinks a candidate must command the political center to win the presidency, gives neither Reagan nor Ford much chance.

"The general opinion -- that Ford is too late -- is correct," Mr. Scammon says. "A Ford candidacy wouldn't have much meaning unless he persuaded the other moderates to withdraw, which they apparently won't do."

In terms of a national election, Mr. Reagan's New Hampshire victory last week is less imrpessive, Mr. Scammon says. "Reagan got 48 percent in New Hampshire against Ford in 1976, and 49 percent in 1980 with a superfluity of anti-Reagan candidates.

"The odds are very good that Reagan will not be successful in November. It looks like the Republicans have done it again. Down-the-line conservatism has triumphed over down-the-line center forces."

Austin Ranney, American Enterprises Institute authority on the US election system, sees only difficult scenarios ahead for a late Ford entry into the race. First, if Mr. Reagan takes perhaps 40 percent of the delegates to the convention , then "theoretically there could be a brokered convention with Bush and [Sen. Howard H.] Baker throwing support to Ford."

"But as we've already seen," he says, "much of the eroded Bush support has gone to Reagan, not Baker." Neither party has power brokers any more, he says: "The candidates are organized like entrepreneurs, to win for themselves, not to deliver to someone else."

"Given the triumph of populism in politics today, the notion a candidate can enter late and take the nomination away from a candidate like Reagan, in it from the beginning, must be questioned," Mr. Ranney says.

"Fordhs best chance is to enter all the remaining primaries he can, do well, beat Reagan in a couple of head-to-head contests, outshine Bush and Baker. He would claim that if he had entered early, he would be the front-runner and not Reagan.

"The longer Ford waits the more difficult his chances. Bush has clearly said he won't get out if Ford gets in. Bush will likely split the moderate vote with Ford."

Primary deadlines are fast closing for Mr. Ford. Secretaries of state in many remaining primary states can still put his name on the ballot, even though candidate filing deadlines have passed. But even for that route, March holds all the time he has. His political home state Michigan ballot will be set March 21, California's March 31.

Another Ford option, according to Mr. Field: Skip the primaries but go on a national speakign tour, attacking President Carter, saying "I want to offer a choice," and hope the other candidates are viable enough to prevent a Reagan first ballot win at the July Republican convention in Detroit.

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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

"Is defeat probable for GOP if Trump wins nomination?"

Were people asking this question when Dole was running? McCain? Romney?

Obviously they should have, but I don't recall there being any doubt about those candidates. Not by the establishment, anyways.

As evidenced by the primaries so far, Trump has energized the voters and appealed to men, women, blacks and Hispanics more than any other candidate.

I would say that defeat is inevitable for the GOP if anyone BUT Trump wins the nomination.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-03-20   10:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Trump ain't Reagan. For one thing,Reagan wasn't insane.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-03-20   10:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: misterwhite (#1) (Edited)

Were people asking this question when Dole was running? McCain? Romney?

As far as *I* was concerned there was no need to ask it because none of them had a chance in hell of winning. Too far left to attract conservative voters that weren't Party People,and not far enough to the left to attract moderate Dims.

Plus McLunatic was almost as nuts as Trump. If he hadn't been a former POW he would have never even been considered.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-03-20   10:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: misterwhite (#1)

Were people asking this question when Dole was running? McCain? Romney?

No, and Dole and McCain never had a snowball's chance in hell, and ran their campaigns like they just wanted a respectable loss (i.e. like a football team losing 35-14 and saying they played a good game because they didn't lose 45-0).

Romney probably should have won given the abysmal record of Obama and the way he actually trounced Obama in the first debate. But like all the GOPe candidates, he couldn't stand prosperity and decided to phone in his candicacy the rest of the way.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-03-20   10:47:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sneakypete (#3)

Plus McLunatic was almost as nuts as Trump. If he hadn't been a former POW he would have never even been considered.

I'll say that McCain looked like he MIGHT have a chance after the Palin nomination and her great convention speech.

Then they did everything possible to make sure they would lose. Palin was sent out on interviews she was woefully unprepared for. They must have known they weren't dealing with friends who would treat them kindly (like they treated Obama).

Then there was the complete incompetence and impotence McCain displayed during the financial meltdown. He even made that total idiot Obama look relevant.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-03-20   10:55:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: sneakypete (#2)

For one thing,Reagan wasn't insane.

At the time, many people thought quite differently.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-03-20   10:58:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: no gnu taxes (#5)

"Then they did everything possible to make sure they would lose. Palin was sent out on interviews she was woefully unprepared for. They must have known they weren't dealing with friends who would treat them kindly (like they treated Obama)."

Would McCain have lost if Obama was white? I rest my case. I doubt anyone could have beat Obama in 2008.

2012? That's on Romney and the GOP.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-03-20   11:10:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: misterwhite (#7)

Would McCain have lost if Obama was white?

I don't know if McCain would have lost to any white candidate, but I am quite sure he would have lost to Hillary Clinton, who was the only other viable Democratic contender at the time.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-03-20   11:18:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

" Is defeat probable for GOP if Trump wins nomination? "

Damn good odds. BECAUSE, the GOPe will do everything they possibly can to ensure it, and the MSM will do their part as well! AND, never, never underestimate the stupidity of many American voters! They voted for Obunghole, twice didn't they?

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-03-20   11:18:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: no gnu taxes (#5)

I'll say that McCain looked like he MIGHT have a chance after the Palin nomination and her great convention speech.

Then they did everything possible to make sure they would lose.

Agree,except for about Palin. She was the ONLY reason he ever looked like he might be a winner. She would give a speech,and his poll numbers would surge. The next day he would go on national tv and contradict everything she said,and his poll numbers would drop again.

If she had been in the top spot,they would have won by a landslide.

Which is irrelevant now because she took all his abuse and thanked him for it,which means she found the price it took to get her to sell her ass,fame and tv cameras.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-03-20   11:25:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: no gnu taxes (#6)

For one thing,Reagan wasn't insane.

At the time, many people thought quite differently.

ALL of them were dedicated leftists that saw Communism as the future of the world.

I don't know about you,but *I* had and have a hard time taking those loons seriously.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-03-20   11:26:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: misterwhite (#7)

Would McCain have lost if Obama was white?

If Obama had been white he would have never been elected to the legislature in Illinois,never mind ran for president. He is a complete produce of Affirmative Action. Take it away,and the highest he would have probably ever risen would be the assistant manager of a car wash somewhere.

Or towel boy in a bathhouse.

Maybe even both,with towel boy being his night job.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-03-20   11:29:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: no gnu taxes (#8)

I don't know if McCain would have lost to any white candidate

He would have lost to anyone BECAUSE HIS JOB WAS TO LOSE. The alleged Republicans were still holding to the "gentlemen's agreement" they had with the Dims to swap ownership of the presidency every 8 years to keep fooling voters into thinking we were still a Constitutional Republic instead of a One Party Nation.

That explains why he slapped Palin back into place every time she did something that raised his poll numbers.

They had a real sweetheart deal going,and the RNC didn't want to rock the boat.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-03-20   11:33:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Stoner (#9)

Damn good odds. BECAUSE, the GOPe will do everything they possibly can to ensure it, and the MSM will do their part as well! AND, never, never underestimate the stupidity of many American voters! They voted for Obunghole, twice didn't they?

Neither the DNC nor the RNC wants Trump to win because he is a nutcase and is a danger to the deal they have to give the illusion of two parties by swapping the WH every 8 years.

Trump is for Trump,period.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-03-20   11:35:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

I believe either Cruz or Trump can easily handle Hillary. Bernie has given up and really had no chance against a crooked dimwit system.

I prefer Cruz over Trump but sometimes you get what you get and pray its not Killary!

Trump will get crossover votes from the blue collar dims which will make up for the pubs that can not stomach Trump. I have no illusions of Trump but he still beats bush, clinton(s), romney, Bernie by miles. I personally think he wants to kick the shit of the socialist ruining his world and knows if he does not win they will take him and his family down. Trump is in the fight to the finish.

Justified  posted on  2016-03-20   11:39:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#14)

" Neither the DNC nor the RNC wants Trump to win . . "

Duhhhh!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-03-20   12:00:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Justified (#15)

" I personally think he wants to kick the shit of the socialist ruining his world and knows if he does not win they will take him and his family down. Trump is in the fight to the finish. "

Interesting perspective!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-03-20   12:03:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Stoner (#17)

You don't pissoff socialist unless you are in it to win it. They will exact revenge like a good Stalin communist demands!

After all that he has said he must win or be torn to pieces after the elections. If Killary wins every government agency will be sicked on him until he goes nuts or commits suicide by falling down a shaft on top of a dozen bullets.

Justified  posted on  2016-03-20   12:17:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

"The odds are very good that Reagan will not be successful in November. It looks like the Republicans have done it again. Down-the-line conservatism has triumphed over down-the-line center forces."

Your use of Reagan, as a template for the demonstation of a failed government, is important. He was just an actor. He created America's stark changes of and about the migration of the US government towards today's US fascist government.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-03-20   14:25:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Is defeat probable for GOP if Trump wins nomination?

Defeat is absolutely assured if Trump doesn't win the nomination. What you'll be left with is a choice between affable-sounding criminal subversives tossing labels back and forth at each other to create the illusion that there is a dime's difference among them. They win. You lose and get more of what you have been getting!

rlk  posted on  2016-03-20   15:17:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Stoner, Justified (#17)

" I personally think he wants to kick the shit of the socialist ruining his world and knows if he does not win they will take him and his family down. Trump is in the fight to the finish. "

Interesting perspective!

And wrong. His social and business contacts with them for decades has made him money and kept him out of court.

He is neither a conservative nor a leftist. Nor is he a Dim or an alleged Republican. He is a "Trumpist",first,last,and always,and what is good for him personally will always "Trump" what is good for the country if there is any conflict between the two.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-03-20   15:43:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Justified (#18)

If Killary wins

It will be back to business as usual,and they will be going to each others parties.

They are both globalists because globalism is the system that lets them cheat and steal from other countries,not just the US.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-03-20   15:45:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: sneakypete (#13)

He would have lost to anyone BECAUSE HIS JOB WAS TO LOSE. The alleged Republicans were still holding to the "gentlemen's agreement" they had with the Dims to swap ownership of the presidency every 8 years to keep fooling voters into thinking we were still a Constitutional Republic instead of a One Party Nation.

You are one cynical dude with regards to government for someone who relies on gubmint checks each month.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-03-21   15:07:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: buckeroo (#19)

Your use of Reagan, as a template for the demonstation of a failed government, is important. He was just an actor. He created America's stark changes of and about the migration of the US government towards today's US fascist government.

Are you drunk?

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-03-21   17:26:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: no gnu taxes (#23)

You are one cynical dude with regards to government for someone who relies on gubmint checks each month.

Awwww,does it make you feel better to take a cheap shot at my VA disability check,bubba?

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-03-21   17:28:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: sneakypete (#25)

You are one cynical dude with regards to government for someone who relies on gubmint checks each month.

Awwww,does it make you feel better to take a cheap shot at my VA disability check,bubba?

No, just pointing out an ironic fact. For all your disdain of the government, you still rely upon them.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-03-21   18:46:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: no gnu taxes (#26)

No, just pointing out an ironic fact. For all your disdain of the government, you still rely upon them.

No,I don't "rely on them" in the welfare sense of the word you are clearly implying. I get a DISABILITY check from them that the OWE me due to my injuries suffered while serving in the US Army in VN.

The government is NOT "giving" me a damn thing. They are paying a debt.

I know that's not a concept you can understand,so just suck it up.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-03-21   19:16:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: sneakypete (#24)

Are you drunk?

No. Why not ask a more focused question concerning my earlier post? As always, you don't have tyme.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-03-21   22:47:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: buckeroo (#28)

Are you drunk?

No. Why not ask a more focused question concerning my earlier post? As always, you don't have tyme.

Ok,how about,"Have you lost your freaking mind?"

WHERE have I EVER used Reagan as a "template for for the demonstation of a failed government"?

I was being kind when I asked if you were drunk.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-03-22   2:36:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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