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Title: Ron Paul: I couldn’t support Donald Trump as nominee (10X worse than Obama)
Source: Washington Times
URL Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news ... -support-donald-trump-nominee/
Published: Mar 18, 2016
Author: David Sherfinski
Post Date: 2016-03-18 22:32:54 by Hondo68
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Former Texas Rep. Ron Paul, father of Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., speaks in Richmond, Va., in this Nov. 4, 2013, file photo. (AP Photo/Steve Helber, File)Former Texas Rep. Ron Paul, father of Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., speaks in Richmond, Va., in this Nov. 4, 2013, file photo. (AP Photo/Steve Helber, File)

Former Texas Rep. Ron Paul said Friday he couldn’t support GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump if Mr. Trump wins the party’s nomination, saying Mr. Trump’s views on the scope of executive authority could surpass those of President Obama.

“No, I couldn’t do that,” Mr. Paul said on Fox Business Network when asked if he would support Mr. Trump, should the billionaire businessman win the GOP nomination. “He’s [the] opposite of a libertarian.”

Mr. Paul, a three-time presidential candidate, said on foreign policy, Mr. Trump probably wouldn’t be that much different than former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, the Democratic front-runner.

“I think the die-hard neoconservatives would not be that extremely unhappy with Hillary,” Mr. Paul said.

Trump is going to be the most efficient [at] using the executive orders,” he said. “He’ll say this is the way it is, you know. Obama was pretty arrogant. If you don’t do it, [the] Congress, I’ll write an order. Well, I think Trump [will] be 10 times worse on writing orders because he’s used to doing this, and he brags about it.”

“He wants to be the boss. I’m not looking for a boss. We want somebody that will allow us to be our own boss, is what I think we should be looking for,” Mr. Paul said. (1 image)

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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)

Who cares what the washed up old man says now.

He's a liar- he lied to his supporters about making a deal with Romney, and then disappeared while his campaign took their money. Frankly, as one who has supported this man for years, I'd be happy if I never heard from him again. His time has come and gone- and now we're all stuck with his neo-con punk kid Rand. Hopefully Rand will lose his senate seat.

NO MORE PAULS

Time to BUST UP DC- Trump for Victory

LIVE Stream: Donald Trump Rally in Salt Lake City, UT (3-18-16) (replay on now)

Operation 40  posted on  2016-03-18   23:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Operation 40 (#1)

A touching story of how Trump tried to bribe a veteran with $1,000,000 to protect him from Megyn Kelly, but he refused to help the cowardly Donald.

Sweet!


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2016-03-18   23:30:27 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: hondo68 (#0)

Sellout.

Logsplitter  posted on  2016-03-18   23:47:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: hondo68 (#2)

Just curious, who do you support?

And you realize that unless the Retard party decides to steal the nomination from The Donald it's going to be Trump vs. Clinton right? Actually I think Jill Stein is the best candidate but the Green party isn't going to win under any circumstances.

So if Trump fails, here's your new First Couple:

Trump is a wild card but it's the last best hope. If the wicked witch slithers into 1600 Penn ave it's going to be a total disaster.

Operation 40  posted on  2016-03-19   2:29:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Operation 40 (#4)

I like the dog. I can do without Bill & Hill!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-03-19   2:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Operation 40 (#1)

Frankly, as one who has supported this man for years, I'd be happy if I never heard from him again. His time has come and gone- and now we're all stuck with his neo-con punk kid Rand.

You were never a supporter but you've no doubt deluded yourself into thinking that you were.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-19   6:56:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: hondo68 (#0)

Shut up, kook.

Isn't it time for the nursing home orderlies to give you your sedative and change your diaper anyway?

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-03-19   8:02:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: TooConservative (#6)

Frankly, as one who has supported this man for years, I'd be happy if I never heard from him again. His time has come and gone- and now we're all stuck with his neo-con punk kid Rand. You were never a supporter but you've no doubt deluded yourself into thinking that you were.

Ron Paul is a moron. Anyone who thinks Heroin should be legal is a fucking idiot.

Ron Paul wants every immoral vice to be proclaimed as some kind of wonderful virtue.

Trump will make trade fair again. Ron Paul will just complain and whine.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-03-19   9:08:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: hondo68 (#0)

Ron Paul dropped out of the Presidential race because someone threatened to disrupt his daughter's wedding.

Trump's son received a death threat in the mail, along with a white powder, and Trump attends a rally in Salt Lake City.

F**k you, Ron Paul. I'm not interested in anything you have to say.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-03-19   10:06:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite (#9)

Ron Paul dropped out of the Presidential race because someone threatened to disrupt his daughter's wedding.

That sounds like Ross Perot

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-03-19   10:09:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: hondo68 (#0)

" 10X worse than Obama "

Is Trump perfect? Hardly.

But 10X worse than Obama? That is quite an exaggeration!

Trump will reverse flooding the country with illegals, and muslims, and he will reverse course on the one sided trade deals that the USA takes it in the shorts.

That is 100X BETTER THAN OBUNGHOLE !!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-03-19   10:13:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Stoner (#11)

Ron Paul believes that Trump will be 10X worse when it comes to Executive Orders. Maybe he will. But that's only because of the precedent set by Obama.

Where was Ron Paul when Obama signed an EO protecting 5 million illegals? The non-enforcement of federal drug laws? Obama's 23 "executive actions" on guns? Obama's EO to raise the minimum wage for federal contractors? The EO to close Gitmo?

But he gets his panties in a wad because Trump might do the same.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-03-19   10:37:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: hondo68 (#0)

STFU you stupid old fool, only a moron would be a paulTARD.

calcon  posted on  2016-03-19   10:45:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone, D 'n R party drug cartel (#8)

Anyone who thinks Heroin should be legal is a fucking idiot.

Obama is doing a great job of protecting you from becoming a Heroin addict.

But you'll need 10X the protection if Trump becomes president?

The WOD has been a failure, with Opium production at record highs, as well as a Heroin epidemic. Uncle Sam is a drug pusher!


Thomas Massie: War on Drugs in Afghanistan Has Been a Failure

Opium production up since the Taliban left, after billions spent on counternarcotics.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2016-03-19   12:55:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Operation 40, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#4)

who do you support?

None of the above.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2016-03-19   13:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TooConservative, Trump spam banned at RPF (#6)

Open support of the Trump campaign, has been banned at RonPaulForums.

www.ronpaulforums.com/sho...policies-on-Trump-support


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2016-03-19   13:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: hondo68 (#16)

has been banned at RonPaulForums.

I bet both of you members actively support this.

calcon  posted on  2016-03-19   13:20:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: hondo68 (#16)

banned at RonPaulForums.

Those poor pearl clutching special snowflakes.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-03-19   13:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Stoner (#5)

I like the dog.

So do I.

Chuck_Wagon  posted on  2016-03-19   13:48:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: hondo68 (#0)

Ron Paul: I couldn’t support Donald Trump as nominee (10X worse than Obama)

Ron Paul, once a spokesperson for sanity in this country has become a tragic example of what senility can do to a man.

rlk  posted on  2016-03-19   15:32:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#8)

Ron Paul wants every immoral vice to be proclaimed as some kind of wonderful virtue.

Apparently you don't understand anything.

Who owns YOUR body Stone?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2016-03-19   18:10:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: misterwhite (#12)

But that's only because of the precedent set by Obama.

And that precedent was set previously by Bush.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2016-03-19   18:31:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Deckard (#22)

"And that precedent was set previously by Bush."

Did he issue some that bothered you? Or are you just going by raw numbers?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-03-19   18:45:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: TooConservative (#6)

You were never a supporter but you've no doubt deluded yourself into thinking that you were.

You just simply can't control yourself, can you.

Oh Look- the LF'er who knows everything about everything is now able to read minds! You're really Miss Cleo in disguise, aren't you. If you tell me what the lottery numbers are going to be next week I'll cut you in on some of the winnings. Deal?

When was the last time you left your basement- December? I bet when you go out into Real Life and spout off the way you do here on an hourly basis you get some pushback- which is why you never go out anymore. Is that about right?

I couldn't care any less what you think about my Paul support or anything else. I've tried to make that clear to you but you're still confused. Because you know everything and can now read minds.

Operation 40  posted on  2016-03-19   19:05:00 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: rlk (#20)

Ron Paul, once a spokesperson for sanity in this country has become a tragic example of what senility can do to a man.

His love and lust for money has ruined him. That and his desire to stuff his idiot punk jackass kid into the white house.

Rand has done more damage to the useless old man and his message than any other detractor in the world.

The Pauls are like a rash now. They all need to just go away.

Operation 40  posted on  2016-03-19   19:08:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Deckard, nukes for mangoes (#22)

Bush Trades Nuclear Technology for Indian Mangoes


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2016-03-19   19:31:22 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: misterwhite (#23)

Did he issue some that bothered you?

Look, I realize I'm dealing with the festering carbuncle of LF here, but I'll respond to your idiocy anyway.

All of the shit Obama has done to destroy this country could not have taken place without the Bush administration setting the stage.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2016-03-19   19:51:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: calcon, hondo68 (#13)

STFU you stupid old fool, only a moron would be a paulTARD.

You Trumpkins have such a lovely way of talking to people.

Other than venting your own obvious senile bile at someone online, do you actually think you win any converts to the Trumpkin bandwagon by saying things like this?

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-19   20:37:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Deckard (#27)

All of the shit Obama has done to destroy this country could not have taken place without the Bush administration setting the stage.

The imperial presidency has expanded steadily throughout the post-WW II era. It could be argued that it has continued largely unabated since Dishonest Abe and the Civil War.

So trying to blame Bush for what 0bama has done is pretty lame. You could always say of any president that "he only did it because so-and-so broke down the constitutional barriers, etc.". Even if there is some element of truth to it, a president's actions are his own, not those of any predecessor. They all choose to bend or break or ignore laws as they please and to try to use Congress and the courts to rubberstamp their will to power and desire to steamroll their opposition. This is true of all presidents.

The truth is, 0bama would have done all these things with or without Bush. Bush has been a handy whipping boy for 0bama to use, along with the libmedia pundits and assorted Lefties.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-03-19   20:42:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: TooConservative (#28) (Edited)

I originally had a nasty response and then I thought you're not worth the trouble.

calcon  posted on  2016-03-19   20:51:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: TooConservative, calcon, Trumpaloompas (#28)

do you actually think you win any converts to the Trumpkin bandwagon


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2016-03-19   22:16:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: hondo68 (#31)

Wow- Ron Paul actually shows emotion once in awhile?

Rather than the bland, uninterested, aloof tone he usually displays? What's wrong?

Maybe what Rand lacked is any emotion at all. Among other things. Like strategy. What was up with him attacking Trump all the time, acting like some Guardian of the Republican Party? Talk about a loser.

Operation 40  posted on  2016-03-19   22:35:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Deckard (#21)

Who owns YOUR body Stone?

God.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-03-19   22:57:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: hondo68, keep the two party system bandwagon (#31)

do you actually think you win any converts to the Trumpkin bandwagon

Probably more then you ever did for ron paul.

calcon  posted on  2016-03-20   2:07:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: TooConservative (#29)

The imperial presidency has expanded steadily throughout the post-WW II era. It could be argued that it has continued largely unabated since Dishonest Abe and the Civil War.

I would say it started very shortly after George Washington, if not immediately.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-03-20   8:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: TooConservative (#29)

Bush has been a handy whipping boy for 0bama to use, along with the libmedia pundits and assorted Lefties.

And Paultards.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-03-20   8:24:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Deckard (#27)

"All of the shit Obama has done to destroy this country could not have taken place without the Bush administration setting the stage."

The stage was set by the U.S. Constitution in Article II, Section 1. Presidents always had the power of Executive Orders.

I'm saying Obama abused that power -- not based on the total number of EOs, but based on their content.

You brought up Bush. Fair enough. What did he pass by EO that was unconstitutional or so outrageous that you even mention it?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-03-20   10:40:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: misterwhite (#37)

What did he pass by EO that was unconstitutional or so outrageous that you even mention it?

Good luck getting a straight answer.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-03-20   12:22:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: misterwhite (#37)

What did he pass by EO that was unconstitutional or so outrageous that you even mention it?

Here's one.

President George W. Bush issued several controversial executive orders surrounding the gathering of intelligence in the war on terror. Arguably the most controversial was a secret executive order he signed in 2002, authorizing the National Security Agency (NSA) to eavesdrop without a warrant on phone calls made by U.S. citizens and others living in the United States. The NSA had previously been limited exclusively to intelligence gathering operations outside of the country [source: Risen]. Critics of Bush's executive order accuse the NSA of conducting unconstitutional searches under the president's authorization.

All I am saying is that Obama's policies are simply a continuation of the policies set forth by the Bush administration .

You clowns don't get it, do you?

It doesn't matter who is president, the destruction of America will continue as the NWO agenda is increasingly implemented.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2016-03-20   12:37:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Deckard (#39)

as the NWO agenda is increasingly implemented.

Is open borders part of the NWO agenda?

How about NAFTA, GATT, TPP, TTP etc?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-03-20   12:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone, y'all (#33)

Deckard (#21) --- Who owns YOUR body Stone?

God. ---- A K A Stone

History has shown us many false gods.

As an agnostic, until a God manifests itself to me, -- I'll own my own body, thank you...

tpaine  posted on  2016-03-20   12:58:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Deckard (#39)

"authorizing the National Security Agency (NSA) to eavesdrop without a warrant on phone calls made by U.S. citizens and others living in the United States."

Where's the rest of the sentence? Let's try that again.

"authorizing the National Security Agency (NSA) to eavesdrop without a warrant on phone calls made by U.S. citizens and others living in the United States to a member of al Qaeda, affiliated with al Qaeda, or a member of an organization affiliated with al Qaeda, or working in support of al Qaeda" and that one party to the conversation was "outside of the United States."

Whatever. That program was allowed to die, by Bush, in 2007.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-03-20   12:59:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Deckard (#39) (Edited)

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-03-20   13:00:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: deckard (#43)

Actually the video does exist. I couldn't embed it, right click wouldn't work. Maybe you can. I typed it word for word but it doesn't show up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDr2NJPv8kE

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-03-20   13:04:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: tpaine (#41)

History has shown us many false gods.

As an agnostic, until a God manifests itself to me, -- I'll own my own body, thank you...

There are more false ones then real ones.

It is himself not itself. You'll be waiting until you die. God doesn't do it your way. You have to do it his way.

The choice is yours as well as the destination.

I hope you find the truth.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-03-20   13:06:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: A K A Stone (#45)

History has shown us many false gods.

As an agnostic, until a God manifests itself to me, -- I'll own my own body, thank you...

It is himself not itself.

Your God is a male? - Fine with me, but I'd prefer a female - if a God wants my body...

tpaine  posted on  2016-03-20   13:18:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: tpaine, AKA Stone (#41)

As an agnostic, until a God manifests itself to me, -- I'll own my own body, thank you...

Free will.......it's a bitch ain't it.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2016-03-20   13:20:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: TooConservative (#29)

The imperial presidency has expanded steadily throughout the post-WW II era. It could be argued that it has continued largely unabated since Dishonest Abe and the Civil War.

Yes, since Abe. And he had to expand the power of government in the Civil War because the only way to break the chains of a quarter of the population was to attack the quarter of the population who were holding them in chains. There was no constitutional work around, because the Constitution itself was a fatally flawed document from the beginning, that had to effectively be suspended in order to get rid of slavery.

What followed that suspension was a new government. It worked a bit better than the old one - we haven't had a civil war since, but it's still pretty bad.

Our system doesn't work. Congress is structured in a way that guarantees its utter corruption, and the state governments are Mini-Me versions of the federal cesspool.

The Supreme Court is utterly imperial, and slow, awkward, subject to capture, and perpetually corrupted by politics.

That leaves the Executive, the President, as the only officeholder who has an actual range of motion in what he can do, because he controls the government agencies. So of course our government functions mostly as the result of executive orders. It's either that or non-function.

Trump will be the most "executive" of Chief Executives. He will wield the power of executive control over the agencies effectively to impose his vision.

His vision is reasonably good for a lot of Americans, so he will have a shot of doing something to advance his causes.

Ron Paul, by contrasted, bellowed abstract inanities for years and accomplished nothing...but he DID manage to build a political fief like all the rest of the politicians do. His son got that lily pad and bully pulpit, but then smashed it to pieces in a stupid jihad against Trump.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-03-22   14:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Chuck_Wagon (#19)

I like the dog.

So do I.

long
time
no
bark

love
boris

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2016-08-29   16:07:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: BorisY, TooConservative (#49)

I like the dog.

So do I.

Good doggie!


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

Castle(C), Stein(G), Johnson(L)

Hondo68  posted on  2016-08-29   16:50:52 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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