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Title: US District Court Rules “There is No First Amendment Right to Film the Police” (misterwhite and Roscoe applaud the death of First Amendment)
Source: Free Thought Project
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pa ... s-there-amendment-film-police/
Published: Feb 25, 2016
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2016-02-25 08:37:03 by Deckard
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Views: 12662
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Philadelphia, PA — In an asinine blow to freedom of speech, U.S. District Judge Mark Kearney of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania issued a ruling Friday stating that citizens do not have a First Amendment right to record the police in public.

The ruling was based on the cases of Geraci v. City of Philadelphia and Fields v. City of Philadelphia. Both Geraci and Fields filed suit against the city of Philadelphia claiming their First and Fourth Amendment rights were violated when officers confiscated their cellphones after they filmed police or were barred from filming police.

According to The Legal Intelligencer, 

Neither of the plaintiffs, Richard Fields nor Amanda Geraci, were filming the police conduct because they had a criticism or challenge to what they were seeing. For Fields, he thought the conduct was an interesting scene and would make for a good picture, Kearney said. And for Geraci, she was a legal observer trained to observe the police, Kearney said.

Fields was walking down a sidewalk when he saw 20 police officers standing outside of a house party and decided that he would take a picture of it. When he took the photo, a would-be tyrant police officer approached him and asked Fields if he likes “taking pictures of grown men,” and demanded that he leave. When Fields respectfully declined to leave a public area, the officer handcuffed him, emptied his pockets and took and searched his ­cellphone. He was charged with obstructing the highway and obstructing public passages — for taking a photo.

In Geraci’s case, she was only attempting to film a fracking protest. As she got closer to the scene, police physically restrained her from filming, despite not yet having begun to record.

“The citizens urge us to find, for the first time in this circuit, photographing police without any challenge or criticism is expressive conduct protected by the First Amendment,” Kearney said.

“While we instinctively understand the citizens’ argument, particularly with rapidly developing instant image sharing technology, we find no basis to craft a new First Amendment right based solely on ‘observing and recording’ without expressive conduct and, consistent with the teachings of the Supreme Court and our court of appeals, decline to do so today,” he continued.

In other words, had Geraci and Fields challenged the conduct of the officers while they were filming, then their ‘speech’ would have been protected. However, they were only passively observing, which, according to this rookie judge, is not free speech.

Kearney explains this failure of logic in the decision,

We find there is no First Amendment right under our governing law to observe and record police officers absent some other expressive conduct

Fields’ and Geraci’s alleged “constitutionally protected conduct” consists of observing and photographing, or making a record of, police activity in a public forum. Neither uttered any words to the effect he or she sought to take pictures to oppose police activity. Their particular behavior is only afforded First Amendment protection if we construe it as expressive conduct. Because we find this issue dispositive on all of Plaintiffs’ First Amendment retaliation claims, we first address whether Fields’ and Geraci’s conduct is constitutionally protected activity under prevailing precedent.

We analyze Fields’ and Geraci’s conduct mindful of the Supreme Court’s admonition “[w]e cannot accept the view that an apparently limitless variety of conduct can be labeled ‘speech’ …. ” “[I]t is the obligation of the person desiring to engage in assertedly expressive conduct to demonstrate that the First Amendment even applies. “ “Expressive conduct exists where ‘an intent to convey a particularized message was present, and the likelihood was great that the message would be understood by those who viewed it. “’ “[T]his is a fact-sensitive, context-dependent inquiry, and … the putative speaker bears the burden of proving that his or her conduct is expressive.”

Applying this standard, we conclude Fields and Geraci cannot meet the burden of demonstrating their taking, or attempting to take, pictures with no further comments or conduct is “sufficiently imbued with elements of communication” to be deemed expressive conduct. Neither Fields nor Geraci direct us to facts showing at the time they took or wanted to take pictures, they asserted anything to anyone. There is also no evidence any of the officers understood them as communicating any idea or message.

The irony here is that had these two individuals challenged the tyrannical cops who attacked them for filming, like Kearney recommends, they would have probably been beaten or worse.

 

In another failure of logic, ignoring the fact that their phones were taken for practicing their First Amendment, Kearney acknowledged that since the police physically confiscated their property, their Fourth Amendment rights were potentially violated.

“The citizens are not without remedy because once the police officer takes your phone, alters your technology, arrests you or applies excessive force, we proceed to trial on the Fourth Amendment claims,” Kearney said.

According to the Legal Intelligencer,

The American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania represented the plaintiffs along with Jonathan Feinberg of Kairys, Rudovsky, Messing & Feinberg, John Grogan and Peter Leckman of Langer, Grogan & Diver and Seth Kreimer of the University of Pennsylvania Law School.

Mary Catherine Roper of the ACLU of Pennsylvania said the parties couldn’t appeal until the remaining claims are addressed, but she said she anticipates this case getting before the Third Circuit.

Roper said the practical implications of this decision come down to the fact that a police officer can’t know what the intended use of the image truly is.

“Anybody who makes a drawing, who takes a photograph, who makes a movie is literally creating a communication,” Roper said. “We think it is the act of creating that communication that is in itself an expressive act and is protected by the First Amendment, whether or not you intend to criticize or praise or hide your light under a bushel.”

Only a government that lives like cockroaches in the darkness would criminalize the act of turning on the light.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

“We think it is the act of creating that communication that is in itself an expressive act and is protected by the First Amendment"

You think wrong. The court ruled you have to express, or intend to express, a message in order for that message to be protected.

How radical, huh?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-25   10:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0) (Edited)

In an asinine blow to freedom of speech, U.S. District Judge Mark Kearney of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania issued a ruling Friday stating that citizens do not have a First Amendment right to record the police in public.

Based on WHAT? Are they not public employees performing their duties in public?

The irony here is that had these two individuals challenged the tyrannical cops who attacked them for filming, like Kearney recommends, they would have probably been beaten or worse.

They WERE just beaten,and worse. By the judge.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   10:24:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard (#0)

Skimming through the ruling, the case is proceeding to trial on excessive force and 4th Amendment violations. The ruling doesn't say that police acted properly and that the plaintiffs rights were not violated, only that, in this case, the First Amendment is not at issue. The court denied the request by police to throw the case out.

After the case is heard, if the court sides with the police, this and other issues could be and perhaps likely will be appealed. If the court rules for the plaintiffs, then there probably won't be any need to appeal for lack of cause. At least not by the plaintiffs. If the police lose and appeal, then the First Amendment argument could be heard again.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-25   10:27:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: misterwhite (#1)

The tards think cops are Congress.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-25   10:35:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: misterwhite (#1)

The court ruled you have to express, or intend to express, a message in order for that message to be protected.

How radical, huh?

It IS radical in this country to accept that the only rights you have are ones understood by a confused judge that seems to not only have no idea what they were doing,but think the fact that he doesn't understand it makes it legal for the police to step in.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   10:36:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: sneakypete (#5)

Congress

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-25   10:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite (#3)

From your description it sounds more like a case of a "Full Employment Act for Lawyers" than a actual court decision based on established law,and it won't be settled until one side is bled dry financially.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   10:38:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Roscoe (#6)

Congress

WTF does Congress have to do with it? Do you think the current crop of corrupt critters sitting in Congress had anything to do with writing the Bill of Rights?

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   10:40:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: sneakypete (#8)

WTF does Congress have to do with it?

Hint: Read the 1st Amendment.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-25   10:44:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Roscoe (#4)

The tards think cops are Congress

Show us one state constitution that doesn't have freedom of speech asswipe.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-25   11:00:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Roscoe (#4)

Anyone who thinks cops shouldn't be recorded needs to be taken to the woods and shot.

You support police abusing citizens.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-25   11:02:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Roscoe (#6)

Some people don't understand the difference between free speech and voyeurism.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-25   11:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: misterwhite (#12)

Some people don't understand the difference between free speech and voyeurism.

And some cock suckers don't know the difference between speech and the press.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-25   11:19:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Roscoe, misterwhite (#13)

I'll give you guys one thing.

In no way should someone videotaping get to close and interfere or intimidate the police. THey have a job to do.

I don't know what the distance is but they should have to keep out of the way.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-25   11:21:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#10)

Show us one state constitution that doesn't have freedom of speech asswipe.

The case is in Pennsylvania. Let's look at their Constitution:

Freedom of Press and Speech; Libels
Section 7.

The printing press shall be free to every person who may undertake to examine the proceedings of the Legislature or any branch of government, and no law shall ever by made to restrain the right thereof. The free communication of thoughts and opinions is one of the invaluable rights of man, and every citizen may freely speak, write and print on any subject, being responsible for the abuse of that liberty. No conviction shall be had in any prosecution for the publication of papers relating to the official conduct of officers or men in public capacity, or to any other matter proper for public investigation or information, where the fact that such publication was not maliciously or negligently made shall be established to the satisfaction of the jury; and in all indictments for libels the jury shall have the right to determine the law and the facts, under the direction of the court, as in other cases.

Nothing about filming police in it.

Now I expect you to man up and apologize.

Roscoe  posted on  2016-02-25   11:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#10)

"Show us one state constitution that doesn't have freedom of speech asswipe."

It's not that they didn't have it. It was how each state defined it. In some states, speaking out against the government was a crime.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-25   11:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Roscoe (#15)

The printing press shall be free to every person who may undertake to examine the proceedings of the Legislature or any branch of government, and no law shall ever by made to restrain the right thereof.

First sentence.

Unless you don' think arms are guns.

Why would you want to live in a police state where the police can beat you then you can't record them to prove they are liars?

Yes there are lots of cops who lie.

Lots.

There are of course lots of good officers also.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-25   11:26:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#13)

"And some cock suckers don't know the difference between speech and the press."

Don't be so hard on yourself. The above cases cited were free speech issues, not freedom of the press.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-25   11:27:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: misterwhite (#18)

We are all the press now.

If you have an internet connection. You are the press. If you want to be.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-25   11:28:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: misterwhite (#18)

I guess all the banks and convenience stores and all the other cameras have to be taken out. They might accidentally film a cop.

I have a go pro camera. According to you I can't look at a cop if I have it on my head.

Your arguments are lame.

This is to be a free country. Not a police state.

I'm all about freedom and being good to others.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-25   11:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: sneakypete (#7)

From your description it sounds more like a case of a "Full Employment Act for Lawyers" than a actual court decision based on established law,and it won't be settled until one side is bled dry financially.

It's not a decision by the court at all. At least not a final ruling.

And the court has not ruled that the plaintiffs were wrong to record the police. All they have ruled is that the First Amendment argument doesn't apply. I think that's erroneous, but the court may yet find that the plaintiffs were well within their rights to record the police, but it won't rule that because of the First Amendment. It would be based on some other criteria (such as a lack of any law to the contrary).

This ruling sets no precedent for other cases.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-25   11:31:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: misterwhite (#12)

Some people don't understand the difference between free speech and voyeurism.

And some people don't understand the concept of public employees operating in public have NO privacy rights. They are OUR employees doing jobs WE hired them to perform.

Which means they are representing US,and WE have a right to film and question anything and everything they do.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   11:33:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#14)

I don't know what the distance is but they should have to keep out of the way.

One of them was "trained" in the area of filming police. I'm sure staying out of the way is the very first lesson on any such curriculum.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-25   11:33:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Roscoe (#15)

Nothing about filming police in it.

Figured that out all by yourself,did you?

Maybe you think there were things like cameras and video recorders available back when those laws were written in the 1700's?

Too bad you aren't smart enough to recognize that cameras and video equipment are very much 21st Century extensions of a printing press.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   11:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone (#20)

The court ruled that the first amendment does not protect your right to film a cop for no reason whatsoever.

Why do you object to that narrow restriction?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-25   11:37:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: misterwhite (#16)

In some states, speaking out against the government was a crime.

Speaking out against the government has NEVER been a crime in America. It WAS a crime in the colonies that existed BEFORE the creation of America though,and that is why the RIGHT of the citizens to speak out against government was number 1 in the Bill of Rights and why the right to bear arms was number 2.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   11:40:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#19)

"If you have an internet connection. You are the press. If you want to be."

Changing a light bulb doesn't make you an electrician.

Moot point. In the two cases cited in the above article, neither claimed freedom of the press. They cited free speech.

This makes the third time I've told you this. How many times does it take?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-25   11:42:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: misterwhite, A K A Stone (#18)

Don't be so hard on yourself. The above cases cited were free speech issues, not freedom of the press.

Are you so thick you can't see where Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press are so linked it is impossible to separate them?

SERIOUSLY?

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   11:43:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: misterwhite (#25)

Let me be frank with you.

I don't give a shit what some judge says. They don't determine what the constitution means. The words in it do.

So I know the truth. I know the truth.

I do what I want to do. If the law is just I follow it. If it isn't just I might now follow it.

My standards are superior to the "color of law".

The judge needs to bite an aids infected faggot.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-25   11:44:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: misterwhite (#25)

The court ruled that the first amendment does not protect your right to film a cop for no reason whatsoever.

Why do you object to that narrow restriction?

Because it's wrong.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-25   11:44:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A K A Stone (#19)

We are all the press now.

We,the people,have always been a part of the press. Hell,the people WERE the press back before printing press was invented. The Town Crier was the official "reporter",but common people could and would express their opinions and report news,also.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   11:46:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: misterwhite (#27)

Changing a light bulb doesn't make you an electrician.

If I install a light or a switch I am an electrician.

I am an electrician. I'm a carpenter, A roofer, a drywaller.

I'm a mechanic. I'm a member of the press. I'm a plumber. I'm also a lot of other stuff.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-25   11:46:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#31)

We are all the press now. We,the people,have always been a part of the press. Hell,the people WERE the press back before printing press was invented. The Town Crier was the official "reporter",but common people could and would express their opinions and report news,also.

You're right. But now we all have access to a "printing press".

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-25   11:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#29)

"I don't give a shit what some judge says."

Duly noted.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-25   11:49:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone, misterwhite (#20)

This is to be a free country. Not a police state.

Careful now. You are breaking his heart.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   11:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Pinguinite (#30)

"Because it's wrong."

Oh?

And where, pray tell, do I go to find the "right" interpretation of the first amendment?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-25   11:51:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Pinguinite (#21)

And the court has not ruled that the plaintiffs were wrong to record the police. All they have ruled is that the First Amendment argument doesn't apply. I think that's erroneous, but the court may yet find that the plaintiffs were well within their rights to record the police, but it won't rule that because of the First Amendment. It would be based on some other criteria (such as a lack of any law to the contrary).

If/when the judge is found to be wrong,his court should be forced to pay the defendants legal fees and for any loss of income to appear in court.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   11:52:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Pinguinite (#23)

I'm sure staying out of the way is the very first lesson on any such curriculum.

Not to mention real life because interfering with the police while they are making an arrest can and will get YOU arrested.

Then again,the whole concept of filming the police while they are making arrests is done SOLELY for the purpose of questioning their actions AFTER the arrest has been made,so why would they even want to interfere?

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   11:55:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: misterwhite (#36)

And where, pray tell, do I go to find the "right" interpretation of the first amendment?

That's what the thingy between your ears is for.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-25   11:55:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: misterwhite (#25)

The court ruled that the first amendment does not protect your right to film a cop for no reason whatsoever.

No local court has the legal authority to make such a ruling. You can legally film anyone anywhere as long as they are in public. You may have to get their permission to use their image in a release to the general public,but that only applies to common citizens,not public employees on the job.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-25   11:58:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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