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Title: Wow! there may not be aliens afterall
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Published: Feb 24, 2016
Author: paraclete
Post Date: 2016-02-24 03:20:31 by paraclete
Keywords: Seti, aliens, comets
Views: 2139
Comments: 21

In 1977 the search for aliens started, when an unknown message was detected, now the mystery has been solved and there are no little green men. Didn't you just know it! No wait I might have spoken too soon but how will you know?

IT’S the space noise that gave birth to an entire generation of alien hunters almost four decades ago and has baffled scientists ever since.

An hour before midnight on August 15, 1977, an astronomer working on the SETI project at the Big Ear radio telescope of Ohio State University heard a strong signal coming from the constellation Sagittarius.

The signal sequence lasted for the 72 second window that Jerry R Ehman was able to observe it but hasn’t been detected since. It was dubbed the “Wow!” signal after Mr Ehman’s excited scribble on the first print out of the signal.

Many have long believed that the signal was the first evidence of extraterrestrials attempting to communicate with Earth.

It roared through at an atmosphere-piercing 1420 megahertz, corresponding to a wavelength of 21cm, which is one of the main frequencies at which the most common element in the universe, hydrogen atoms, absorb and emit energy.

The alien life hopes were further boosted by several investigations which ruled out Earth and other objects like planets, satellites and asteroids as the source.

Now one of the world’s top scientists claims to have debunked the extraterrestrial theory once and for all.

Antonio Paris, a professor of astronomy at St Petersburg College in Florida, said he started obsessing over the famed signal last July. Then, while driving his car one day, he had what Oprah Winfrey might call a “light bulb moment”.

Professor Antonio Paris will soon get to test his theory as the two comets he believes caused the “Wow!” signal are due to “return to the scene of the crime” — although not together — in 2017 and 2018.

“Out of the blue, I was looking at a truck passing on a bridge overhead as I drove under it,” Prof Paris told The Tampa Tribune yesterday.

“It occurred to me it could have been an object that went over us, just like the truck; a truck we will never see again. It could have been a comet or asteroid that came over us so many years ago.”

The professor jumped into the rabbit hole that is NASA’s archive and used custom software to track the paths of all the “comets unseen and undiscovered” in 1977.

“We found two culprits which went all the way back to the original source of the signal,” he said. “They were there on the same exact date, time, and in the neighbourhood from where the signal was detected.

“We wanted the answer to this and this might be it.”

Prof Paris published his findings last month in an article written with colleague Evan Davies of The Explorers Club in the journal of the Washington Academy of Sciences.

He says it won’t be long before his theory can be tested — in front of the world, in real time.

Dr Paris speaking at Florida’s Museum of Science and Industry (MOSI), where he is chief scientist.

That’s because the two comets he believes caused the “Wow!” signal are due to “return to the scene of the crime” — although not together — in 2017 and 2018.

He said 266P/Christensen will swing by in January 2017 followed by P/2008 Y2 (Gibbs) about a year later. While not an exact replica of the situation that is believed to have occurred in 1977, it will still be possible to monitor the comets one at a time and get a good idea if the “Wow!” signal came from them.

“That’s the only problem, in 1977 they were together,” Prof Paris told the Tribune.

“The next time those two comets will pass together though that sector of space will be 600 years. (But) I have a gut feeling that this was a natural phenomenon.”

Prof Paris said most in the astronomical community supported his theory, adding that “everybody is excited, excited to wait for 2017 and 2018 to come around”.

Well, not everybody. Definitely not SETI and especially not conspiracy theorists for whom the words “natural phenomenon” might as well read “death of a dream” or “I just lost my job”.

SETI League executive director Paul Shuch, aka Dr SETI, appeared to shrug off Prof Paris’ paper.

“This is first I’ve head of it,” he said. “It’s all speculation right now.”

Dr Shuch did concede, however, that if the theory did test right with the return of the comets, it was worthy of a Nobel prize.

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#1. To: paraclete (#0)

odds are in favor of life out there .

"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato

tomder55  posted on  2016-02-24   10:58:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: tomder55, redleghunter (#1)

odds are in favor of life out there .

Why do you think those are the odds?

Do you think life evolved out there or something like that?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-24   11:05:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: tomder55 (#1)

The odds are a trillion to one and for intelligent life the odds are astronomical

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-24   11:11:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#0)

PING. Thought you would be interested.

For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)

redleghunter  posted on  2016-02-24   13:06:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: paraclete (#0)

There probably isn't any other life out there.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-02-24   13:54:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone, redleghunter (#2)

Why do you think those are the odds?

Do you think life evolved out there or something like that?

there are some one trillion galaxies in the known universe and some 50 billion planets estimated to exist just in the Milky Way alone and some 500,000,000 predicted to exist in a habitable zone. I did not say that intelligent life exists out there . But I do think mathematically the odds favor life elsewhere.

"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato

tomder55  posted on  2016-02-24   14:56:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#5) (Edited)

There probably isn't any other life out there.

yes that is right. If it ever existed it is probably gone, destroyed by catasclymic events. If we are within 1000 light years of a supernova we risk having our planet sterilized by gamma rays. Supernova happen with frieghtening frequency and with 100 billion suns in our galaxy alone the chances of it happening to us are fairly high. Just think about Mars and why there is no life there and that is what a small sun can do without going supernova.

Just today it is reported that a huge event, a collision of neutron stars, has been observed six billion years ago and we can detect it. What would have happened if it occured in our neighbourhood? In our galaxy?

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-24   17:47:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: paraclete (#7)

Your probability and my 'odds' are a matter of speculation. I'm not an expert on this ,but when NASA estimates that there are a billion planets in habitable zones in our galaxy alone , it makes me think that there is a pretty good chance that there is life somewhere else in the universe.(and that presumes only carbon based life .Some scientists don't restrict themselves and speculate about other minerals .)

I'll give the caveat now that in no way am I talking about humanoid or even advanced intelligent life. But that is based on philosophical reasons ,not mathematical or scientific .

"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato

tomder55  posted on  2016-02-25   10:13:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: tomder55 (#8) (Edited)

Tom pure speculation, just like the eminent scientist I listened to last night explaining that they can't prove string theory and that it is probably wrong but they have only been at it for thirty years so give them time.

The conditions for life to thrive have to be right and while it can exist in the depths of the ocean where there is no sun light or in bright sun light opens the field of probability the conditions in our galazy or any other are very hostile and if our Earth is a guide mass extinction events happen quite regularly.

What people don't want to admit is that all the knowledge we have of the universe is just history, we are looking back in time, no part of what we see is real time and the idea we will one day inhabit another world is a dream

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-25   15:30:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: paraclete (#9)

and the idea we will one day inhabit another world is a dream

Which of course I did not suggest as a possibility . God gave us stewardship of this earth.

"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato

tomder55  posted on  2016-02-25   21:00:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#2)

Do you think life evolved out there or something like that?

Bottom line is we just don't know at this point.

What we do know is that there is life on earth. And if it happened once, whether through some natural event or events, or through some kind of supernatural/divine intervention, then it's hard to say that the same thing couldn't occur elsewhere.

If the former, we don't know how often it can happen, whether it happens on tiny fraction of places that could support life, or, by contrast, a near impossibly thin fraction of such places. Given the estimated size of the universe and number of candidate planets, which it is would make a big difference.

Alternatively, if some intelligent creation was involved from outside the universe, then it's a matter of faith to say that this same source of creation would or would not create life on another planet besides earth.

One NASA guru is claiming that the tech should be available in another couple decades to detect life in other solar systems. I suppose that will only be true if such tech returns positive results, as any negative results won't prove life isn't there. I'm sure the reliability of the tech will be challenged if it does give positive results.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-25   21:33:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: paraclete (#9)

What people don't want to admit is that all the knowledge we have of the universe is just history, we are looking back in time, no part of what we see is real time and the idea we will one day inhabit another world is a dream

True, but if the universe is 13 billion years old, then that's a lot of history. Enough time for our own sun to have lived a full life (assuming the sun's life expectancy is accurate). And that's plenty of time for civilization to grow as it has.

and the idea we will one day inhabit another world is a dream

But dreams are how such things begin.

But yes, unless and until faster than light travel is somehow obtained. I'd say the human race lives and dies right here on earth.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-25   21:38:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite (#12)

But yes, unless and until faster than light travel is somehow obtained. I'd say the human race lives and dies right here on earth.

They we should put our resources into solving the very real problems which may shorten that outcome but people doing research hate seeing funding diverted into action programs. I watched a prominent scientist say last evening say that research into theoretical physics probably had no immediate benefit. Knowing that there are gravity waves generated billions of years ago has no immediate benefit, knowing that string theory hasn't been proven has no immediate benefit but finding a way to deal effectively with carbon emissions might have benefit as would finding effective methods to store nuclear waste

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-25   22:59:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: paraclete (#13)

as would finding effective methods to store nuclear waste

Well, sometimes there are benefits. I.e. if "deep science" can crack nuclear fusion, then current nuclear waste may be disposable via superheating to fusion temperatures, perhaps accelerating their decay into inert elements, or fusing them into heavier inert material.

But the core needs for human life are all renewable -- food, shelter and clothing. Humans have survived through at least one ice age, so I'm sure humans can survive, if only a few million, through that as well as more warming too.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-26   0:22:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pinguinite, paraclete (#14)

But the core needs for human life are all renewable -- food, shelter and clothing. Humans have survived through at least one ice age, so I'm sure humans can survive, if only a few million, through that as well as more warming too

If we are going by history ,humans have thrived during warming periods . The Roman warming period brought us the Mediterranean civilizations . The Medieval Warm Period was also beneficial . By contrast ,the Little Ice Age brought a drop in crop production ,and famines grew more regular.

"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato

tomder55  posted on  2016-02-26   6:39:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Pinguinite (#11)

Bottom line is we just don't know at this point.

Actually some of us do.

It is found in the book of Genesis.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-26   7:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#16)

What we know is human life is fragile and we have just about optimum conditions within a wide range but the essential is we can grow crops. These conditions don't exist on other local planets.

This is the essential truth that is lost on those who search for other worlds, the number of conditions that have to be right are many and the opportunities few, the band within the habitable zone is tight.

When you couple this with the other issues associated with travel, weightlessness, radiation, time we are as far off as we ever were and we need to resign ourselves to the fact that the design for interstellar travel looks like the planet we inhabit

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-28   1:37:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: paraclete, A K A Stone (#17)

This is the essential truth that is lost on those who search for other worlds, the number of conditions that have to be right are many and the opportunities few, the band within the habitable zone is tight.

Indeed the conditions do have to be just right. There is the habitable zone, the tilt of the planet has to be adequate. A large moon is essential for planetary stability for advanced life to evolve, if evolution is correct, the planet must have a strong enough magnetic field to protect it's atmosphere from solar erosion and otherwise protect the surface from radiation. The list does go on.

But "opportunities few"? Perhaps in local space it is, but our galaxy alone has many billions of stars about all of which should have planets around them. Even if only a tiny fraction of them would have all criteria met, it would still be a substantial number of opportunities. And that's just in our galaxy. And there are billions of galaxies.

I don't know where the Bible says that God created life only on earth.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-28   3:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Pinguinite (#18)

billions of possibilities doesn't make one probability

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-28   17:15:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: paraclete (#19)

The probability of getting hit by lightning is extremely slim.

But people are hit and killed nonetheless, because their are billions of people, and the odd simply add up.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-02-29   0:53:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Pinguinite (#20)

Nice analogy but not the same circumstance, those billions of people are all on the one planet and there are thousands maybe millions of lightning strikes a year or even a day. The universe maybe 27 billion light years across and expanding. We don't actually know its dimentions or nature because 80% of it is not visable to us, you cannot make probilities out of that, you are talking 10 to the 64 or whatever, it is a very big number. The human race doesn't want to think it is insignificant but really we amount to the head of a pin

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-29   6:25:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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