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Title: History lessons: Understanding the decline in manufacturing
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URL Source: https://www.minnpost.com/macro-micr ... standing-decline-manufacturing
Published: Feb 19, 2016
Author: Louis D. Johnston, MinnPost
Post Date: 2016-02-19 13:01:40 by SOSO
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History lessons: Understanding the decline in manufacturing Email logo Email Share logo Share Tweet logo Tweet Print logo Print By Louis D. Johnston | 02/22/12 . American factory REUTERS/Adam Fenster U.S. industrial decline is a long-run phenomenon and will not be reversed by short-term fixes. New ideas for reviving American manufacturing seem to appear every day. Many of these notions have merit, but most are built on a flawed premise: that the decline in U.S. factory jobs is a recent occurrence, one that can be reversed through tax cuts or trade policy. Unfortunately, U.S. industrial decline is a long-run phenomenon and will not be reversed by short-term fixes. Let’s take a look at the trends and their implications. The really long run Economists traditionally classify economic activity into three sectors: agriculture (including forestry and fishing), industry (including mining, construction, and manufacturing) and services (all activities not included in either agriculture or industry.) You probably have a story in mind about what these data will tell us. The United States was primarily an agricultural economy through the 19th century; then, industry swept the landscape in the late-19th and early 20th century — with America standing as the industrial powerhouse of the world by the 1950s. Things stayed this way until the late-1970s and 1980s, when we first lost our edge to the Japanese, then to the Chinese, and have now become a service economy that doesn’t produce stuff. This story isn’t quite right. Let’s start with where people worked. The graph below shows the distribution of the labor force in agriculture, industry and services from 1840 to the present. The part of the story about agriculture is clearly true: Beginning in 1840 at roughly 70 percent of the labor force, agricultural employment fell to about 40 percent in 1900, 10 percent in 1950, and remains at about 2 percent today. Next, let’s examine the service sector. Here’s where the surprises begin. In terms of employment, the second largest sector was services, not industry. In fact, service employment exceeded industrial employment throughout American history. Looking at industry, the closest that sector got to services was in 1880! A similar story emerges when we look at output produced in agriculture, industry and services. Again, the agricultural sector originally accounted for the largest share of output, but services caught up and exceeded agriculture by the 1880s. Industrial production kept pace until 1910, but after that services pulled ahead and never looked back. Since 1950, the share of output produced in industry has steadily declined, falling from about 40 percent of output to about 25 percent today. The story since World War II Let’s zero in on the period since World War II. To keep things focused, I’ll make three changes to our perspective. First, some might argue that the rise in service employment and output shown above is caused by the growth of government. I’ll focus on private-sector employment and output to see if increasing service employment and output is a product of expanded government or is the result of private-sector changes. Second, I’ll combine agriculture and industry into one goods-producing sector, and then compare that with services. Here’s what we get in terms of employment: Since World War II, the share of private employment in goods production (including manufacturing) has steadily declined from just short of 50 percent to just fewer than 20 percent. The output data look much like the employment data. Just like employment, the share of goods production (including manufacturing) in GDP has steadily declined while the share of services in GDP has steadily risen. A tale of two causes To understand the long-run decline in industry, we need to look at the periods before and after World War II separately. Before World War II, the service sector grew because we got richer. Think about it: From domestic servants to waiters, blacksmiths to cobblers, and barbers to bankers, Americans have always been engaged in a variety of service activities. And, as the American economy grew and average incomes increase, Americans increased their demand for meals, repairs, grooming and financial services. Thus, more and more workers were pulled into the service sector by this increasing demand. When we look at the post-World War II data, a different story emerges. First, productivity grew rapidly in industry, faster than the demand for industrial products, while productivity grew relatively slowly in the service sector. This meant that we needed fewer industrial workers and thus many workers were pushed out of industry. At the same time, we were still getting wealthier and demanding more services, and slow productivity growth in this sector meant that to provide these services it had to pull in the workers shed by industry. Both push and pull forces were present in both periods. But, pull factors (i.e., the increased demand for services) was the predominant cause of decreasing industrial output and employment before World War II while push factors (i.e., rapid productivity growth in industry and slow productivity growth in services) dominated after the war. Implications for policy The decline in manufacturing output and employment is a long-run phenomenon, not just a short-run problem. This means that policies designed to boost manufacturing need to be designed with this long-run trend in mind, and not just react to problems of the last 10 to 20 years. Neither tax cuts nor tougher trade policy address the demand for more and varied services, nor will they address the relatively slow productivity growth in the service sector. Poster Comment: A somewhat dated article but worth revisiting if no other reason to invite informed updated discourse.
chart of distribution of labor force by sector from 1840-2010 Source 
chart of distribution of output by sector from 1840-2010 
Chart of private sector employment as % of total employment 1948-2010 Source: Bureau of Economic Analysis, National Income and Product Accounts 
Chart of private sector output as % of GDP 1948-2010 Source: Bureau of Economic Analysis, National Income and Product Accounts
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#1. To: All (#0)
This story isn’t quite right. This is a good place to start for indeed that story isn't quite right. But what about this story? "A tale of two causes To understand the long-run decline in industry, we need to look at the periods before and after World War II separately. Before World War II, the service sector grew because we got richer. Think about it: From domestic servants to waiters, blacksmiths to cobblers, and barbers to bankers, Americans have always been engaged in a variety of service activities. And, as the American economy grew and average incomes increase, Americans increased their demand for meals, repairs, grooming and financial services. Thus, more and more workers were pulled into the service sector by this increasing demand. When we look at the post-World War II data, a different story emerges. First, productivity grew rapidly in industry, faster than the demand for industrial products, while productivity grew relatively slowly in the service sector. This meant that we needed fewer industrial workers and thus many workers were pushed out of industry. At the same time, we were still getting wealthier and demanding more services, and slow productivity growth in this sector meant that to provide these services it had to pull in the workers shed by industry. Both push and pull forces were present in both periods. But, pull factors (i.e., the increased demand for services) was the predominant cause of decreasing industrial output and employment before World War II while push factors (i.e., rapid productivity growth in industry and slow productivity growth in services) dominated after the war." A much better story. But is it still not quite right?
Between 1929 and 1939, this is not true.. And during the war, the service sector declined massively, as labor was diverted to manufacturing war goods. ? ----- This simply isn't true, in my experience. Demand for both products and services was huge after the war, and remained high until the late 60's when things started to slow down. The end of the war in Nam marked the end of the era. Our industrial base was abandoned by the idiotic idea that we could let the rest of the world do the 'dirty work' while a service economy employed all the 'lower classes' in the USA. The above bull was written by the same type who dreamt up the 'service economy' crap.
OK, I am open to learn. Please document the data from reputable sources that support you claim. "Our industrial base was abandoned by the idiotic idea that we could let the rest of the world do the 'dirty work' while a service economy employed all the 'lower classes' in the USA." That is your opinion. Opinion does not make something a fact. Clearly the growing cost of regulation in the U.S. helped chase capital away from the U.S. The following data should be helpful in this discussion. That couple with CPI data from the following link http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/consumer-price-index-and- annual- percent-changes-from-1913-to-2008/ will give a factual basis for making analyzes and informed judgments.
Between 1929 and 1939, this is not true.. And during the war, the service sector declined massively, as labor was diverted to manufacturing war goods. ? ----- This simply isn't true, in my experience. Demand for both products and services was huge after the war, and remained high until the late 60's when things started to slow down. The end of the war in Nam marked the end of the era. My opinion disputes the opinion made in the article. And again, imo, none of the graphics you posted disprove my statement. "Our industrial base was abandoned by the idiotic idea that we could let the rest of the world do the 'dirty work' while a service economy employed all the 'lower classes' in the USA." Of course it's my opinion. In turn, you opinion of my opinion does not make a fact. Yep, I have no doubt overregulation contributed to losing our industrial base.
So reputable data has no place in the forming of your opinions?
? ----- This simply isn't true, in my experience. Demand for both products and services was huge after the war, and remained high until the late 60's when things started to slow down. The end of the war in Nam marked the end of the era. My opinion disputes the opinion made in the article. And again, imo, none of the graphics you posted disprove my statement. Silly answer. Seeing that IN MY OPINION, none of the REPUTABLE graphics you posted disprove my statement. Happy now?
Happy now? No. Your statement is "Our industrial base was abandoned by the idiotic idea that we could let the rest of the world do the 'dirty work' while a service economy employed all the 'lower classes' in the USA." Explain what you mean by dirty work. Tell me whose idea was this and how was it implemented. Do both with data, facts, evidence not pure opinion or conjecture as the latter are arguments built upon sand and worthy of immediate dismissal. You present yourself as a General Custer type of person who ignored every factual sign that there really are a formidable lot of Indians down there but not in his opinion.
Happy now? Producing raw materials and the heavy manufacturing industries, of course. Hell, we're now at the point where many light manufacturing industries are being 'outsourced' Imo, it was formulated primarily by financial types who still seem to believe that wealth is produced by manipulating money, instead of producing goods, and implemented by unscrupulous politicians. Sorry, but in my opinion, your wishes are not my commands. You present yourself as a general hoople type, who somehow thinks he has a mission in life to order others about. Get over yourself..
#27. To: tpaine (#26)
Producing raw materials and the heavy manufacturing industries, of course. Hell, we're now at the point where many light manufacturing industries are being 'outsourced' You still are not clear. Are you referring to the environment or to dirty hands? ". "Do both with data, facts, evidence not pure opinion or conjecture as the latter are arguments built upon sand and worthy of immediate dismissal. Sorry, but in my opinion, your wishes are not my commands." Sorry but you weaseling IS a sign of a commanding inability to support your opinions and a extremely significant sign that there is no factual support or evidence for them. "You present yourself as a general hoople type, who somehow thinks he has a mission in life to order others about. Get over yourself." Ahhhh....is da wittle baby's feelings hurt? What if I say "pretty please with sugar on top, Do both with data, facts, evidence not pure opinion or conjecture", would that make the boo boo better?
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestYou probably have a story in mind about what these data will tell us. The United States was primarily an agricultural economy through the 19th century; then, industry swept the landscape in the late-19th and early 20th century — with America standing as the industrial powerhouse of the world by the 1950s. Things stayed this way until the late-1970s and 1980s, when we first lost our edge to the Japanese, then to the Chinese, and have now become a service economy that doesn’t produce stuff.
#6. To: SOSO (#1)
-- what about this story? --- "A tale of two causes ----------- To understand the long-run decline in industry, we need to look at the periods before and after World War II separately. ------------------- Before World War II, the service sector grew because we got richer.
Think about it: From domestic servants to waiters, blacksmiths to cobblers, and barbers to bankers, Americans have always been engaged in a variety of service activities. And, as the American economy grew and average incomes increase, Americans increased their demand for meals, repairs, grooming and financial services. Thus, more and more workers were pulled into the service sector by this increasing demand.---- When we look at the post-World War II data, a different story emerges. First, productivity grew rapidly in industry, faster than the demand for industrial products, while productivity grew relatively slowly in the service sector.
This meant that we needed fewer industrial workers and thus many workers were pushed out of industry.
At the same time, we were still getting wealthier and demanding more services, and slow productivity growth in this sector meant that to provide these services it had to pull in the workers shed by industry. --- Both push and pull forces were present in both periods. But, pull factors (i.e., the increased demand for services) was the predominant cause of decreasing industrial output and employment before World War II while push factors (i.e., rapid productivity growth in industry and slow productivity growth in services) dominated after the war.
#8. To: tpaine (#6)
This simply isn't true, in my experience. Demand for both products and services was huge after the war, and remained high until the late 60's when things started to slow down.
#11. To: SOSO (#8)
article -- Before World War II, the service sector grew because we got richer.
art. --- When we look at the post-World War II data, a different story emerges. First, productivity grew rapidly in industry, faster than the demand for industrial products, while productivity grew relatively slowly in the service sector.
OK, I am open to learn. Please document the data from reputable sources that support you claim.
That is your opinion. Opinion does not make something a fact.
Clearly the growing cost of regulation in the U.S. helped chase capital away from the U.S.
#14. To: tpaine (#11)
And again, imo, none of the graphics you posted disprove my statement.
#24. To: SOSO (#14)
art. --- When we look at the post-World War II data, a different story emerges. First, productivity grew rapidly in industry, faster than the demand for industrial products, while productivity grew relatively slowly in the service sector.
OK , I am open to learn. Please document the data from reputable sources that support you claim.
So reputable data has no place in the forming of your opinions?
#25. To: tpaine (#24)
Seeing that IN MY OPINION, none of the REPUTABLE graphics you posted disprove my statement.
#26. To: SOSO (#25)
No. Your statement is "Our industrial base was abandoned by the idiotic idea that we could let the rest of the world do the 'dirty work' while a service economy employed all the 'lower classes' in the USA." ----- Explain what you mean by dirty work.
Tell me whose idea was this and how was it implemented.
Do both with data, facts, evidence not pure opinion or conjecture as the latter are arguments built upon sand and worthy of immediate dismissal.
You present yourself as a General Custer type of person who ignored every factual sign that there really are a formidable lot of Indians down there but not in his opinion.
Replies to Comment # 26. Explain what you mean by dirty work.
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