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Title: Pope says Trump is not a Christian
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The Daily Mail
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... n-views-plans-immigration.html
Published: Feb 18, 2016
Author: David Martosko
Post Date: 2016-02-18 12:47:41 by Willie Green
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Views: 4978
Comments: 31
U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump is 'not Christian' because of his views on immigration, Pope Francis said on his way back to Rome from Mexico. The Pope said, however, he did not want to advise American Catholics on whether or not to vote for Trump. Trump fired back immediately, telling a packed room at a coastal South Carolina country club: 'For a religious leader to question a person's faith is disgraceful.' The Pope's dramatic intervention came in a freewheeling conversation with reporters on his flight back from a visit to Mexico. Francis was asked about Trump and some of his statements, such as vowing to build a wall between the United States and Mexico if he becomes president. 'A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian,' Francis said in answer to a specific question about Trump's views. 'This is not in the gospel.' Asked if American Catholics should vote for someone with Trump's views, Francis said: 'I am not going to get involved in that. I say only that this man is not Christian if he has said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way and in this I give the benefit of the doubt,' he said. Trump issued a furious response, reading a lengthy statement from the podium on a campaign stop. He reflected on the seismic impact of crossing swords with the leader of the world's largest religious denomination, and shrugged it off. 'Now it's probably going to be all over the world. Who the hell cares? I don't care!' he said. 'We have to stop illegal immigration ... and crime.' Trump blasted the Vatican for what he said was a naive outlook on the ISIS terror army, saying in a statement released to reporters that 'If and when the Vatican is attacked by ISIS, which as everyone knows is ISIS's ultimate trophy, I can promise you that the Pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump would have been President because this would not have happened.' 'ISIS would have been eradicated unlike what is happening now with our all talk, no action politicians.' On his last day in Mexico, Pope Francis said a Mass on the U.S. border, where he railed against immigration policies that force many underground and into the hands of drug gangs and human smugglers. Trump has also said he would deport millions of illegal migrants if he wins the November U.S. election. Last week he told Fox Business television that Pope Francis did not understand the Mexican border issues. 'The pope is a very political person. I think he doesn't understand the problems our country has. I don't think he understands the danger of the open border that we have with Mexico,' he said. Asked if he felt he was being used as a pawn of Mexico, Francis said he didn't know. 'I leave that judgment to you, the people.' But he seemed quite pleased to hear that Trump had called him a 'political' figure, noting that Aristotle had described the human being as a 'political animal.' 'Thank God he said I was a politician because Aristotle defined the human person as 'animal politicus'. So at least I am a human person.' The Pope had used his visit to highlight immigration by celebrating mass in Ciudad Juarez, which sits directly on the border with El Paso. The final day on Wednesday was the most symbolic and politically bold moment of Francis' trip, with hundreds of thousands gathering for Mass at a Ciudad Juarez fairground while an estimated 30,000 more watched via simulcast at a football stadium just across the Rio Grande in El Paso, Texas. Francis also aimed a message north of the border at a time of increasingly tough presidential campaign rhetoric on immigration in the United States. The pope appealed for governments to open their hearts to the 'human tragedy' of forced migration. 'No more death! No more exploitation!' he implored. Francis stopped short of calling outright for the U.S. to open its borders, but he urged recognition that the multitudes fleeing gangland killings and extortion in their homelands are victims. 'We cannot deny the humanitarian crisis which in recent years has meant the migration of thousands of people, whether by train or highway or on foot, crossing hundreds of kilometers through mountains, deserts and inhospitable zones,' he said. 'They are our brothers and sisters, who are being expelled by poverty and violence, drug trafficking and organized crime.' Before the Mass, Francis paused at the border for a silent prayer in memory of migrants who died trying to reach the United States. He also blessed several hundred migrants sitting on the other side of the fence. Angelica Ortiz, one of those invited to be on the U.S. side, said she left Ciudad Juarez because drug traffickers threatened her son's life and now lives in El Paso after being granted asylum. 'I'm overcome by emotion,' Ortiz said afterward, practically speechless. 'A lot of emotion.' Earlier in the trip, Francis appeared to go beyond the normally gentle criticism that popes make on foreign trips, holding the feet of Mexico's powerful to the fire again and again. On his first full day in the country, Francis told President Enrique Pena Nieto and other members of the government in a speech at the National Palace that public officials must be honest and not be seduced by privilege and corruption. Observers said the pontiff's actions, words and choice of events showed he feels both the Mexican church and the government have failed the country's poorest and most vulnerable.
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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)
I guess the Pope has decided to team up with Glen "psycho" Beck. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood A friend will help you move ,But a good friend will help you move a body..
Beck isn't a Christian either... he's a Mormon heretic... not much different than a Scientologist.
The Pope is forcing me to choose between him and Trump. Ok, then: I choose Trump.
What ever! Does not matter. They are aligned politically. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood A friend will help you move ,But a good friend will help you move a body..
Ok, then: I choose Trump. Was that a typo? ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
The Vatican has gigantic walls. Pope Dope the First, a useless Turd Worlder. Fck him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonine_City
"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato
And very restricted access. Which proves what a hypocrite the Pope is! Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood A friend will help you move ,But a good friend will help you move a body..
What I would like to know is why God would kill Antonin Scalia but not this greedy, hypocritical Turd World asshole 'pope'?
Perhaps because God wants Obama to appoint Scalia's replacement.
So God's an idiot leftist, as dumb as a democRat?
I wonder if The Donald will observe the same nicety or if he'll call Pope Frank on his hypocracy. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
No, that will be desired by Satan. And Obunghole is the spawn of Satan. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood A friend will help you move ,But a good friend will help you move a body..
No. The Pope is the head of the Church. When he states the doctrines of the Church ex cathedra on a matter of faith and morals, he speaks with authority. When he gives his opinion on a foreign election, he's given his opinion. I don't share his opinion. And that is that. Within his sphere, the pope is supreme. American electoral politics ain't his sphere.
Swiss Family Trump? The Donald is going to put Trump family boots on the ground to protect the Vatican? I don't think so! The Swiss Guard uniforms make them look like court jesters.
The Pope should not be interferring in american domestic politics. He knows very well his words would be reported to americans. It is the views of people like him that have seen Europe overrun by illegal immigrants, America has taken millions why should it not determine that it wants change. he should have emphasised the mexican government dealing with the issues that drive their citizens to leave
If that's the pope's position, that's reason enough to support Trump. The pope is another jackass running about with tears in his eyes and whining because we don't convert this country into an open trough for marauding parasitic primitives and psychotics. The pope is proof that a god of justice and conscience that is concerned with intruding into the affairs of mankind does not not exist. If he did exist, he would strike the pope's airplane with lightening and send it into the ocean. To hell with the God damned pope. He substitutes sorrowful theatrics and emotional self flagellation for the basic principles of scientific reasoning.
Good for you! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I bet nobody has ever accused those guys of sneaking up on them. I can only wonder why you never see those uniforms in the photos posted of the annual "Homosexual Pride Day" parades in NYC and the left coast? ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
'A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian,' Francis said in answer to a specific question about Trump's views. 'This is not in the gospel.' Is this the same Pope that said "Who am I to judge."? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
He is concerned about this because he wants to see the the 1st World filled up with 3rd world refugees getting all that big western welfare money because most are Catholic,and the Catholic Church gets to dip their beaks into it. Plus,the more ignorant rabid Catholic voters they can get to register,the more political power the Vatican holds. It ain't about helping poor people. It's about helping the Holy Roman Church. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
The Holy Roman {Catholic} Church hasn't been so holy of late. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Has it ever? Seems to me it has been an organized crime organization since Day One. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Has it ever? Seems to me it has been an organized crime organization since Day One. At least for much of its existence. But which major religion hasn't been? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Exactly what I was thinking. I would not feel very safe if that was what was guarding me. I don't see any weapons, only musical instruments. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood A friend will help you move ,But a good friend will help you move a body..
None of them. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
You mean't to say, "All of them."
I stand corrected. Thank you. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
You mean't to say meant. Just so you know I'm alive and kicking.
" Pope says Trump is not a Christian "
#2. To: Stoner (#1)
#3. To: (#0)
#4. To: Willie Green (#2)
" Beck isn't a Christian either... he's a Mormon heretic..."
#5. To: Vicomte13 (#3)
The Pope is forcing me to choose between him and Trump.
#6. To: Willie Green (#0)
#7. To: Willie Green (#0)
#8. To: Hank Rearden (#6)
" The Vatican has gigantic walls. "
#9. To: Willie Green (#0)
(Edited)
#10. To: Hank Rearden (#9)
#11. To: Willie Green (#0)
#12. To: Willie Green (#10)
(Edited)
Perhaps because God wants Obama to appoint Scalia's replacement.
#13. To: Willie Green (#0)
Francis stopped short of calling outright for the U.S. to open its borders
#14. To: Willie Green (#10)
" Perhaps because God wants Obama to appoint Scalia's replacement. "
#15. To: sneakypete (#5)
Was that a typo?
#16. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#11)
(Edited)
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#17. To: hondo68 (#16)
#18. To: Willie Green (#0)
#19. To: Willie Green (#0)
(Edited)
Pope says Trump is not a Christian
#20. To: Vicomte13 (#15)
Within his sphere, the pope is supreme. American electoral politics ain't his sphere.
#21. To: hondo68 (#16)
#22. To: Willie Green, All (#0)
Francis was asked about Trump and some of his statements, such as vowing to build a wall between the United States and Mexico if he becomes president.
#23. To: paraclete (#18)
The Pope should not be interferring in american domestic politics. He knows very well his words would be reported to americans.
#24. To: sneakypete, redleghunter, All. (#23)
It ain't about helping poor people. It's about helping the Holy Roman Church.
#25. To: SOSO (#24)
The Holy Roman {Catholic} Church hasn't been so holy of late.
#26. To: sneakypete (#25)
The Holy Roman {Catholic} Church hasn't been so holy of late.
#27. To: Vicomte13 (#17)
" The Swiss Guard uniforms make them look like court jesters. "
#28. To: SOSO (#26)
At least for much of its existence. But which major religion hasn't been?
#29. To: sneakypete (#28)
#30. To: buckeroo (#29)
You mean't to say, "All of them."
#31. To: buckeroo (#29)
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