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Title: Ann Coulter: GOP Baffled as Voters Rally to Popular Candidate
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Published: Feb 17, 2016
Author: Ann Coulter
Post Date: 2016-02-18 06:54:16 by cranky
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Views: 15650
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I wish he’d stop showing off, the little scamp, but maybe the GOP establishment will finally get the message that voters have been waiting a really long time for a candidate who would put Americans first. Not donors, not plutocrats, not foreigners, and certainly not foreign plutocrats (i.e., Fox News). Trump is the first presidential candidate in 50 years who might conceivably: (1) deport illegal aliens, (2) build a wall, (3) block Muslim immigration, (4) flout political correctness, (5) bring manufacturing home, and (6) end the GOP’s neurotic compulsion to start wars in some godforsaken part of the world. That’s all that matters! Are you listening yet, RNC? There is not another candidate who agrees with Trump on all these positions. Maybe one issue, but not all of them — and if it’s immigration, they would be lying. Even Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) still refuses to say he’d deport illegal aliens (unless they’re arrested for breaking some other law), build a wall (instead he talks about “border security,” which is code for: No Wall), or reduce legal immigration at all. Trump is like a greatest-hits album. The two political parties are the record companies, refusing to put all the hits on one album and instead forcing us to choose between Republicans who will depress wages through immigration and bad trade deals, or Democrats who pretend to care about working-class Americans while sacralizing abortion and gay marriage. Trump is right about President Bush not keeping us safe — though not about his “Bush lied” argument that makes me want to strangle him. This is what Trump said last October on “Coyote News Sunday” (FNC) about how things would have been different on 9/11 under President Trump: “Well, I would have been much different, I must tell you. … I am extremely, extremely tough on illegal immigration. I’m extremely tough on people coming into this country. I believe that if I were running things, I doubt … that those people would have been in the country.” And that was before Trump announced his plan for a temporary ban on Muslim immigration! (By contrast, as governor of Florida, Jeb! aggressively pushed a bill to allow illegal aliens to get driver’s licenses, less than three years AFTER 13 of 19 hijackers used Florida driver’s licenses to board the planes on 9/11.) It is apparently considered less controversial to send a million troops to the Middle East than to stop printing visas for would-be terrorists. It’s not just George W. Bush’s open-borders policy that cries out for re-examination. During a debate with Al Gore one year before the 9/11 attack — committed by Arabs on U.S. commercial airlines — he pre-emptively denounced the racial profiling of Arabs by airport security. The Wall Street Journal proclaimed that “the ‘racial profiling’ issue might help Bush win Michigan.” (Good call, WSJ! Bush lost Michigan, anyway.) In June 2001 — three months before the attack committed by Arabs on U.S. commercial airlines — the Bush administration undertook a study to ensure that Arabs were not being disproportionately stopped by airport security. When U.S. Airways ticket agent Michael Tuohey laid eyes on Mohamed Atta on the morning of 9/11, he got a “chill” and thought to himself, “If this guy doesn’t look like an Arab terrorist, then nothing does.” But then, he says, he gave himself a politically correct “slap,” and handed Atta his ticket. Atta proceeded to murder 3,000 Americans. But at least no undue scrutiny of Arabs was taking place at U.S. Airports! The Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)s, Nikki Haleys, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)s, Jeb!, Zeppo and Shemp Bushes of the GOP say: “Vote for me — we may have a terrorist attack, but at least we’ll know we did the right thing!” Trump says: “I’m going to protect you.” That’s why it doesn’t matter when Trump pops off and says things that are not conservative orthodoxy — or even true! Even if you think Trump is a libertine, shallow narcissist, you know he will do what no other Republican will: Go to Washington, kick ass, mock political correctness, build a wall, deport illegals, bring manufacturing home, and end the GOP’s peculiar fixation with remaking the Muslim world. This is our last chance. It’s similar to the “point of no return” global warming alarmists keep talking about, except our data isn’t fake. At our current rate of immigration/transformation, if we don’t break the donor fever grip now, we never will. This kind of correction isn’t just a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, it’s a once-in-a-millennium opportunity. The GOP didn’t hear us with Eric Cantor, with the 2014 election or with John Boehner. After all that, they still gave us Nikki Haley and Paul Ryan. President Trump is the last and only message they will understand. 
Donald Trump’s latest bombshell, claiming the Bush administration lied about weapons of mass destruction to get us into the Iraq War, is just him doing wheelies on the way to the nomination. He’s apparently decided it would be fun to taunt the entire GOP by demonstrating that he can say anything and his voters won’t care.
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I think it would be more accurate to say I believed the GOP masters thought that,and I feared the typical Republican voters would fall into line and make it a ugly reality. This could still happen if Trump drops out late in the process and Cruz also drops out,and Republican voters are faced with voting for JEB or his younger clone Rubio in order to keep Sanders or Bubbette! out of the WH. One thing I am positive about is that we,the people,need to do something after this election to kill off the political power of the DNC and the RNC because they only represent themselves and each other,they do NOT represent the people or America. It's ridiculous to believe that out of a country of more than 300 million people we would STILL be stuck with candidates like the Bush Crime Family,the Clintons,McLunatic,Romney,Rubio,Sanders,and maybe even that asshat Bloomberg. IMHO not a single one of those goobers gives a damn about America. All they care about is themselves. I have no idea how it will shake out IF it even happens,but one prime thing we need to do is build new parties so that money can't buy them or the globalists will win and American will disappear along with our Constitution. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
In our original discussion I mentioned that a Lexus Nexus search revealed that the 1st time the US PRESS mentioned AQ was in 1996 quoting a State Dept memo. The reason for the delay because I have not found the original report on the web ;and the State Dept link is no longer working . There are secondary sources that I got that information from . Therefore I will give you a secondary source .You can take it or leave it . August 14, 1996: State Department Calls Bin Laden One of Most Significant Terrorism Sponsors in the World The State Department issues a fact sheet on bin Laden, calling him “one of the most significant financial sponsors of Islamic extremist activities in the world today.” The text ties bin Laden to funding specific attacks, such as the attempt to kill dozens of US soldiers in Yemen in 1992 (see December 29, 1992). The fact sheet is also mentions the term “al-Qaeda,” leading to the first media reports using that term the next day (see August 14, 1996). The fact sheet also contains details about bin Laden’s finances, such as the allegation that he co-founded the Al-Shamal Islamic Bank in Sudan in 1990 with a group of wealthy Sudanese and capitalized it with $50 million of his fortune. [US Department of State, 8/14/1996; New York Times, 8/14/1996] Much of this information appears to come from al-Qaeda defector Jamal al-Fadl. The CIA had just finished debriefing him weeks before (see June 1996-April 1997). http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a081496biggestfinancier I called Trump a moonbat . Not his supporters . "If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato
I agree. But my point is that they're not important when considering a choice for President of the U.S. In support of that statement, name one President since Roe v Wade who had any effect on abortion. I'm tired of being offered GOPe candidates who are strong social conservatives (but accomplish nothing in that area) while ignoring conservative fiscal issues.
Some people would say and this is just off the top of my head. Fire doesn't melt steel. Even if it was hit by a plane. That it is a weird coincidence that the fighters at Andrews Air Force base happened to be on Patrol over the Atlantic Ocean far from being able to respond to 911. How lucky for the terrorists that the defense was out of town. I wonder why the government changed the mission of Andrews AFT on like sept 12, 2001. What a weird coincidence. No flight recorder audio between pilots and air traffic control ever released. Weird. Paper passport found in rubble. Strange. Poofs of smoke blowing out the side of the buildings. That's kind of strange. Say what the FAA was required to shadow any plane that went a few thousand feet off course. I'm not sure of the actual distance but it wasn't a state away. Man those terrorists must have been feeling lucky to take a long route across Ohio and looking around instead of going straight to target. They must have thoughat Allah was with them that day. I looked for the debris from the crashed flight over Pennsylvania. It seems to have vanished. I looked up the size of the planes and the pentagon. Do it yourself. Look at the pics. The hole doesn't appear big enough. Maybe there is a reason but that is an unanswered question. So what do you expect a thinking person to think. Oh just a bunch of coincidences. I better not say anything or some people who watched the TV said that is moonbattery. They offer nothing absolutely nothing. Then call people moonbats like they are some kind of genius. But in fact they are being what they accuse Trump of.
That's going to be a tough choice for someone to make whose entire stance is based on emotion. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Ok fair enough. But people who agree with him, some at least probably take it as an attack on them also.
That is what Trump will do imo. He will dig up dirt on them just for fun. I can see him telling us what he found out about them. How it is worse then he imagined. Then doing something about it and burying them politically forever.
Both of those are pure evil. They are more important issues. If you have an evil government that lets one group murder another group without sanction. That is evil. Gay marriage is also evil. I won't explain why because anyone to stupid not to know that probably isn't worth saving. Maiking the trains run on time isn't more important then having an evil society. I take a different position then you do. I'm thinking that Trump is going to make some progress on those issues. ROFLMAO! Trump is PRO LATE TERM ABORTION,AND PRO HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE. Yeah,if he runs and is elected I also suspect he will "make some progress on those issues",but it won't be what you consider to be progress. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
She's still on the pubbie reservation, I'm afraid. That doesn't mean she isn't right about this. I figured out a long time ago that all Coulters articles were designed with one purpose in mind,and that was to keep her name and face in the news in order to pump up her trademark to make her more money. Even a self-promoting publicity whore is occasionally correct,though. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
He says he isn't. He said he was about 15 years ago. When he said it he used words like he was kind of ashamed to admit it. Shame on Ted Cruz for now showing that part in his add. Though I understand why. Because it makes the context a little, I said a little bit different. Since he was ashamed to admit it before. Or alsomst ashamed to admit it. I will give him the benefit of the doubt on it. People honestly to change their minds. Yes I have some doubt. But I have decided for the reasons given to give him a change to prove it. On gay marriage. He may not be as aggressively against it as I would like. But i saw him say he was a traditional guy and he was against it. I've never seen anything different. If he appoints conservatives to the court they will very likely be opposed to it. So in the future it could be changed back to normal.
I think the majority of his supporters are more in the line of "starry-eyed dreamers",ready to follow any piper that pipes the "no more immigrants" tune. Since that is the most important issue facing America today,it's easy to see the attraction. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
But fire can soften steel. "Maybe there is a reason but that is an unanswered question." Everything you have are "unanswered questions". You have no proof. Tell me what you believe happened and give me proof that supports your version exclusively.
You ain't by yourself,either. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
How do you think steel is make and formed? ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
The State Department issues a fact sheet on bin Laden, calling him “one of the most significant financial sponsors of Islamic extremist activities in the world today.” The text ties bin Laden to funding specific attacks, such as the attempt to kill dozens of US soldiers in Yemen in 1992 (see December 29, 1992). The fact sheet is also mentions the term “al-Qaeda,” leading to the first media reports using that term the next day (see August 14, 1996). The fact sheet also contains details about bin Laden’s finances, such as the allegation that he co-founded the Al-Shamal Islamic Bank in Sudan in 1990 with a group of wealthy Sudanese and capitalized it with $50 million of his fortune. [US Department of State, 8/14/1996; New York Times, 8/14/1996] Much of this information appears to come from al-Qaeda defector Jamal al-Fadl. The CIA had just finished debriefing him weeks before (see June 1996-April 1997). http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a081496biggestfinancier Again your link has quotes from 2002. So it is not prior to 911. You see why people have doubts. No one can ever dispel them. I have a doubt because I had never heard the word aL qaeda prior to 911. Then they start throwing out the term like it has always been used. So that makes me suspicious. That and the other things that done't make sense like kerosene melting steel etc, etc, etc............................ So I still don't know the truth. Still looking for it.
Ok you got me there. But you know what I mean. Fire burning at the temperature of jet fuel and furniture. A fire that is smoking is not as hot as a clean burning fire.
He will dig up dirt on them just for fun. I can see him telling us what he found out about them. How it is worse then he imagined. Then doing something about it and burying them politically forever. There is no question in my mind that you really and truly believe that. I don't. He's one of them,and has been one of them his entire life. His whole financial world is created around political connections,and there is no way in the world he is going to burn that bridge behind him. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
You have no proof either. I don't know what happened. But there are to many oddities for me to really believe everything the government says about it. Question for you White. Do you think the government would be capable of lying about doing a deed like that. Do you think people in our government would be capable of lying about it. I'm not asking you if they are capable of pulling it off. We can talk about that another time. So just are they capable of lying about something like that on that scale?
People honestly to change their minds. Yes I have some doubt. But I have decided for the reasons given to give him a change to prove it. Ok,time will tell. I hope I am the one wrong on all this,but I doubt it. Leopards don't change their spots. Especially leopards whose whole financial outlook is dependent on personal connections to powerful leftists who are strongly PRO all those issues. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Yep. It just never rubbed me the wrong way the way it does when some others do it. Even a self-promoting publicity whore is occasionally correct,though. I have never found a single inaccuracy nor unsubstantiated claim in anything I have read of hers. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
But fire can soften steel. I have an acetylene-oxygen torch set out in my shop that melts steel all the time. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I don't. He's one of them,and has been one of them his entire life. His whole financial world is created around political connections,and there is no way in the world he is going to burn that bridge behind him. Dude. Oscar. Ok I'll call you Pete Pete. Haven't you read Sun Tzu. Or other business leaders ideas. If you want to succeed you have to burn those bridges. He wants to be top dog now. He doesn't want them coming back to compete. You dominate you don't compete. Competition is a slogan sold to consumers. real businesses leaders don't want to compete they want to dominate. They don't all think alike. He has been complaining about foreigners since the 80's. He has a big ego. He is proud of his accomplishments. He toots his own horn. He brags a lot. I see why that is oft putting to some people. But he has to do that to tout his accomplishments. The country is what he wants to make "great" now. He wants to turn it around. He doesn't like losers. He wants us to win. To be successful. Because if he can turn the country around he will be proud of it. He will tell us what a good job he did. He has a drive and likes to accomplish things. A drive stronger then yours or mine. Sure he inherited millions. But did he squander it like a lottery winner. No he went out and built things. Created jobs. Made himself a lot of money. Made a lot of other people a lot of money. Sure some people lost money but not most. That is life. It is irrational to think that everything he touched would succeed. Haven't you ever heard of the power of failure? Now Pete, I'm no Vic. I could be wrong and Trump could end up being a big shit bag. But I will take my chances and I think my chances are reasonably good.
Why don't you just use some 2x4's and some kerosene?
They don't all think alike. He has been complaining about foreigners since the 80's. He has a big ego. He is proud of his accomplishments. He toots his own horn. He brags a lot. I see why that is oft putting to some people. But he has to do that to tout his accomplishments. The country is what he wants to make "great" now. He wants to turn it around. He doesn't like losers. He wants us to win. To be successful. Because if he can turn the country around he will be proud of it. He will tell us what a good job he did. He has a drive and likes to accomplish things. A drive stronger then yours or mine. Sure he inherited millions. But did he squander it like a lottery winner. No he went out and built things. Created jobs. Made himself a lot of money. Made a lot of other people a lot of money. Sure some people lost money but not most. That is life. It is irrational to think that everything he touched would succeed. Haven't you ever heard of the power of failure? True. True. True. And true.
Ok you got me there. But you know what I mean. Fire burning at the temperature of jet fuel and furniture. A fire that is smoking is not as hot as a clean burning fire. I don't pretend to be a structural engineer,or even someone that has closely studied all the construction details and requirements on those buildings,or even someone who has paid any attention to the wildly varied claims of how hot the fire was burning. What I DO know is that steel doesn't have to even be close to hot enough to melt to bend,and that those buildings were immensely heavy. Heavy enough to cause steel beams already soft,but NOT melted,from the heat to bend,and that each floor that had sagging ceilings,walls,and floors added to the overload put on the floor directly beneath it. I also understand there is a point reached where the unsupported mass of weight becomes a massive overload for the floor and wall structures under it,and the entire thing "pancakes" in a chain reaction,like stacked dominoes when you tip the end one over. Remember,each floor and each wall is just a PART of the overall load rating of the building It is dependent on the wall and floor structures above and below it. Remove ONE section out of that structure,and every single floor above it starts to collapse. No one floor is ever built strong enough to stand the weight of more than the one floor above it. What you get when one floor collapses is a chain reaction. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
If you didn't see wild exaggerations you just weren't paying attention. Her whole career is based on throwing verbal bombs. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
On what scale? What are they lying about? I'm happy to answer your question, but I don't know what the question is. Four planes crashed -- two into the WTC, one into the Pentagon, and one in Pennsylvania. The planes are missing. The people aboard are missing. It happened. So no, I don't think the government could pull off a lie like that and, furthermore, they didn't even try.
Sun Tzu was a Chinese General,not a businessman. If you want to succeed you have to burn those bridges. Say WHAT????? ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Know one Officer who personally watched the footage 'real time' and know of the reputation of the General officer screaming on a line to DC asking to release SF to intercept. What both men honestly conclude is they don't know for sure what the cargo contained on the convoy, but given the origin of the departing vehicles, knew the purpose of those facilities. Bottom line, we don't know for sure, but lost an opportunity to find out. I understand why the admin most likely declined intervention...we were still working a couple of 'hail Mary' diplomatic routes before military intervention (the invasion). Why we did not pursue this course after the invasion is a blunder in itself and why many in the Military head shed to this day opine on as a huge dent in our strategic approach to the GWOT. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
You know the question.
I honestly hope you are right about this and I am wrong,but the evidence and history on display says i am right. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Sure it mentions things from prior to 911. I'm loooking for original documents dated prior to 911 that have the word "al qaeda" in them. Frankly that's a cop out. The links gave you the history of Al Qaeda. That the NYTs or WaPo did not write about AQ prior to 9/11 shows you how much the Bush1 and Clintoon admins kept that information close hold. Also shows how they bungled threat assessments. Your assertion was that AQ was created after 9/11. That's false and I gave you the evidence to refute your claim. I think you know the right thing to do now... For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
If you want to succeed you have to burn those bridges. Say WHAT????? “When your army has crossed the border, you should burn your boats and bridges, in order to make it clear to everybody that you have no hankering after home.” Business leaders also talk about burning your bridges. That way you can't turn back. You're all in.
Your assertion was that AQ was created after 9/11. That's false and I gave you the evidence to refute your claim. I think you know the right thing to do now... Some writing an article and talking about something is not a proof of anything. It wouldn't be admitted in any courtroom. It is not a cop out. If they existed under that name it is documented somewhere. Why did they suddenly use the name after 911? But never ever before? At least not documented. Don't feel bad everyone I ever put to this test has failed. Which makes me rightly or wrongly doubt the government story. I can find articles about Hezzbolah, the PLO and everyone else. Just not Al Qaeda.
Why don't you just use some 2x4's and some kerosene? For several reasons,mostly related to making precision cuts,where fires like you suggest are more for forging steel than cutting steel. I do use rosebud tips and the cutting torch on occasion to weaken steel so I can use a hammer and anvil to shape it,though. Get it hot enough and you can bend it by hand if you have good gloves and can grab it a few inches from where the heat was focused. Steel weak enough to bend by hand has no structural strength at all. Let it cool and depending on the alloy some or even most of the structural strength will return once it cools. Sometimes you have to quench it in various liquids or powders for precise periods of time to return all the strength,but I am dealing almost exclusively with raw steel,not the heat-treated stuff. I have welded heat-treated parts back together after annealing them though,and had them professionally heat treated afterwards,though. You can even buy ovens designed for this purpose with digital timers if you do enough of it to be worth your while. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
The Windsor Tower was built differently. Reinforced concrete was used in the core and below the 17th floor. Above the 17th floor was a central support system of concrete columns, supporting concrete floors with steel perimeter columns. The steel perimeter columns melted and fell away 2 hours into the fire, leaving just the concrete core as shown in the picture below: If the fire didn't bring down the WTC buildings, then what did and where's your proof?
I think the fact that the WMD were sold to Iraq by our NATO ally Germany had a lot to do with that. History is often determined more by political considerations than reality. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
The State Department issues a fact sheet on bin Laden, calling him “one of the most significant financial sponsors of Islamic extremist activities in the world today.” The text ties bin Laden to funding specific attacks, such as the attempt to kill dozens of US soldiers in Yemen in 1992 (see December 29, 1992). The fact sheet is also mentions the term “al-Qaeda,” leading to the first media reports using that term the next day (see August 14, 1996). The fact sheet also contains details about bin Laden’s finances, such as the allegation that he co-founded the Al-Shamal Islamic Bank in Sudan in 1990 with a group of wealthy Sudanese and capitalized it with $50 million of his fortune. [US Department of State, 8/14/1996; New York Times, 8/14/1996] Much of this information appears to come from al-Qaeda defector Jamal al-Fadl. The CIA had just finished debriefing him weeks before (see June 1996-April 1997). http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a081496biggestfinancier There's a reason for the 1996 mention of Bin Ladin. The Khobar Towers bombing. When I first walked into the office of the Antiterrorism-Force Protection division, I saw a picture of Bin Laden and below a collage of photos from the Khobar Tower terror attack. That was 1997. Maybe the American people did not know squat about AQ and Bin Laden before 9/11 but those of us in the AT-FP and Counter-Terror community knew all too well. I was sitting in a lecture auditorium listening to a retire General tell us the US Army would eventually downsize to 300K given our long period of peace and security. An hour into his lecture he was rudely interrupted by a LTC asking him to cease his brief and let him pipe in a feed from CNN and Fox News. It was 9/11/01 and I was currently a student at the Command & General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth KS. As we all watched the coverage of the attacks most left the auditorium as the post commander ordered the post closed and everyone to depart. I stayed a bit longer with my instructor to view most of the coverage. The General came up to us and said "go home" and we headed to the door when he said "who could do this." I told him without hesitation that if this was a terror attack the only organization with global reach that could accomplish this would be Bin Laden's AQ. He chuckled and said, "no way has to be someone like Saddam." I laughed and said "no it's Bin Laden." The next day my instructor gave me the floor in the small group classroom to present a briefing on Bin Laden and AQ. So Stone, those of us who were tracking AQ and Bin Laden for 7-10 years before 9/11 knew, still know they were around for quite some time. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
You see why people have doubts. No one can ever dispel them I'll keep looking for a link to the primary source (although I have no intention to pay for retrieve a link from the 90s) . The State Dept must've taken down the link years ago . "If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato
I don't doubt Bin laden was an asshole or he was around and being tracked. I don't like Muslims. They are evil. I still haven't seen anything that would hold up in court. Sorry.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThat was conventional wisdom a year ago. Ask Fred. He believed it. I bet you did too.
#23. To: redleghunter, AKA Stone (#15)
#24. To: A K A Stone (#16)
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"They are more important issues."
#25. To: redleghunter, tomder55 (#12)
So you can either come back to some semblance of reality or keep believing in carnival barkers.
#26. To: redleghunter (#12)
So you can either come back to some semblance of reality or keep believing in carnival barkers.
#27. To: tomder55 (#23)
I called Trump a moonbat . Not his supporters .
#28. To: sneakypete (#22)
One thing I am positive about is that we,the people,need to do something after this election to kill off the political power of the DNC and the RNC
#29. To: A K A Stone (#16)
Abortion is murder. Gay Marriage is evil.
#30. To: cranky (#18)
She made her bones by being "Trump-Like" and throwing verbal bombs all over the place,but the quote above is 100 percent on target.
#31. To: sneakypete (#29)
ROFLMAO! Trump is PRO LATE TERM ABORTION,AND PRO HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE.
#32. To: tomder55 (#23)
I called Trump a moonbat . Not his supporters .
#33. To: A K A Stone (#25)
"Fire doesn't melt steel. Even if it was hit by a plane."
#34. To: misterwhite (#24)
I'm tired of being offered GOPe candidates who are strong social conservatives (but accomplish nothing in that area) while ignoring conservative fiscal issues.
#35. To: A K A Stone (#25)
Fire doesn't melt steel.
#36. To: tomder55 (#23)
August 14, 1996: State Department Calls Bin Laden One of Most Significant Terrorism Sponsors in the World
#37. To: sneakypete (#35)
Fire doesn't melt steel. How do you think steel is make and formed?
#38. To: A K A Stone (#28)
That is what Trump will do imo.
#39. To: misterwhite (#33)
Everything you have are "unanswered questions". You have no proof. Tell me what you believe happened and give me proof that supports your version exclusively.
#40. To: A K A Stone (#31)
Since he was ashamed to admit it before. Or alsomst ashamed to admit it. I will give him the benefit of the doubt on it.
#41. To: sneakypete (#30)
I figured out a long time ago that all Coulters articles were designed with one purpose in mind,and that was to keep her name and face in the news in order to pump up her trademark to make her more money.
#42. To: misterwhite (#33)
"Fire doesn't melt steel. Even if it was hit by a plane."
#43. To: sneakypete (#38)
There is no question in my mind that you really and truly believe that.
#44. To: sneakypete (#42)
I have an acetylene-oxygen torch set out in my shop that melts steel all the time.
#45. To: A K A Stone (#43)
He wants to be top dog now. He doesn't want them coming back to compete. You dominate you don't compete. Competition is a slogan sold to consumers. real businesses leaders don't want to compete they want to dominate.
#46. To: A K A Stone (#37)
Fire doesn't melt steel. How do you think steel is make and formed?
#47. To: cranky (#41)
I have never found a single inaccuracy nor unsubstantiated claim in anything I have read of hers.
#48. To: sneakypete (#46)
What I DO know is that steel doesn't have to even be close to hot enough to melt to bend,and that those buildings were immensely heavy. Heavy enough to cause steel beams already soft,but NOT melted,from the heat to bend,and that each floor that had sagging ceilings,walls,and floors added to the overload put on the floor directly beneath it. I also understand there is a point reached where the unsupported mass of weight becomes a massive overload for the floor and wall structures under it,and the entire thing "pancakes" in a chain reaction,like stacked dominoes when you tip the end one over.
#49. To: A K A Stone (#39)
"So just are they capable of lying about something like that on that scale?"
#50. To: A K A Stone (#43)
Pete. Haven't you read Sun Tzu. Or other business leaders ideas.
#51. To: tomder55, GarySpFc (#17)
Speaking of that convoy of trucks that exited Iraq before the invasion ?
#52. To: misterwhite (#49)
On what scale? What are they lying about? I'm happy to answer your question, but I don't know what the question is.
#53. To: A K A Stone (#43)
I could be wrong and Trump could end up being a big shit bag.
#54. To: A K A Stone (#19)
I looked at your link It is from 2008. That isn't prior to 911.
#55. To: sneakypete (#50)
ete. Haven't you read Sun Tzu. Or other business leaders ideas. Sun Tzu was a Chinese General,not a businessman.
#56. To: redleghunter (#54)
Frankly that's a cop out. The links gave you the history of Al Qaeda. That the NYTs or WaPo did not write about AQ prior to 9/11 shows you how much the Bush1 and Clintoon admins kept that information close hold. Also shows how they bungled threat assessments.
#57. To: A K A Stone (#44)
I have an acetylene-oxygen torch set out in my shop that melts steel all the time.
#58. To: A K A Stone (#48)
#59. To: redleghunter (#51)
Bottom line, we don't know for sure, but lost an opportunity to find out. I understand why the admin most likely declined intervention...we were still working a couple of 'hail Mary' diplomatic routes before military intervention (the invasion).
#60. To: tomder55, AKA Stone, GarySpFc (#23)
August 14, 1996: State Department Calls Bin Laden One of Most Significant Terrorism Sponsors in the World
#61. To: A K A Stone (#36)
Again your link has quotes from 2002. So it is not prior to 911.
#62. To: redleghunter (#60)
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