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Title: Cruz attacks Trump over his moonbat position on GW Bush
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URL Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ted-cru ... p-for-attacking-george-w-bush/
Published: Feb 15, 2016
Author: Rebecca Shabad
Post Date: 2016-02-15 15:44:39 by no gnu taxes
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Views: 2159
Comments: 38

Sen. Ted Cruz on Monday said Donald Trump's openness to the idea of impeaching President George W. Bush for the Iraq war was "an extreme and radical position."

Speaking to reporters ahead of a rally in Aiken, South Carolina, Cruz went after Trump's comments from the CBS News GOP presidential debate on Saturday night in which he attacked the former president.

"On Saturday, one of the strangest moments was when Donald Trump repeatedly attacked George W. Bush and defended his position seeking to impeach George W. Bush," Cruz said Monday. "Now, when he was arguing for the impeachment of George W. Bush, that was not a reasonable position. That was an extreme and radical position and Trump on the debate stage said, well, he thinks George W. Bush made a mistake in Iraq."

"Well, under the constitution, you do not impeach a president for a mistake. The constitutional standard for impeachment is high crimes and misdemeanors," Cruz added.

At Saturday night's debate, moderator John Dickerson alluded to a CNN interview Trump did in 2008 in which he said he was surprised that Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-California, didn't try to impeach Bush, which Trump said, "personally, I think would have been a wonderful thing."

Asked whether he still believes Bush should have been impeached, Trump did not answer the question directly and instead said he gets along with everyone as a businessman.

"Obviously, the war in Iraq was a big, fat mistake, all right? Now, you can take it any way you want," he eventually said. "So George Bush made a mistake. We can make mistakes. But that one was a beauty. We shoulda never been in Iraq."

During the debate, Trump also pointed out that The World Trade Center came down under President Bush.

On Monday, Cruz also attacked Trump's sister, Maryanne Barry, who he said was appointed by President Bill Clinton to be a federal appellate judge.

"Donald's sister was a Bill Clinton-appointed federal appellate judge who is a radical pro-abortion extremist," Cruz said. "Indeed, she wrote an opinion striking down restrictions on partial birth abortion, saying that restricting partial birth abortion was irrational. Even among liberal judges, that position is extreme, and Donald said, his extreme, abortion-supporting sister would make a terrific Supreme Court justice."

Trump backed away from that statement on Sunday, saying he suggested it as a joke.

Cruz's comments come just days after Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia suddenly died, and less than a week before GOP candidates compete in South Carolina's Republican primary on Saturday.

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#13. To: no gnu taxes (#0) (Edited)

It's just plain wrong to blame Bush for 9-11 . He was in office for 9 months ;the 9-11 attack was planned for years . Don't forget ;when Bush got into office there was a wall that separated communication and cooperation between the various intelligence agencies and law enforcement agenciea . What the CIA knew could not be passed on .

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/apr/15/20040415-094758-5267r/

Earlier this month, as fears of new al-Qaida attacks mounted, the Justice Department announced new FBI guidelines that would allow intelligence and law enforcement agents to work together on terrorism investigations. An ACLU spokesman was quick to condemn the guidelines as creating the possibility of "an end run around Fourth Amendment requirements." I used to worry about that possibility myself. Not any more. Because the alternative is to maintain a wall of separation between law enforcement and intelligence. That's what we used to do. And on Sept. 11, 2001, that wall probably cost us 3,000 American lives.

There's a quiet scandal at the heart of Sept. 11; one that for different reasons neither the government nor the privacy lobby really wants to talk about. It's this: For two and a half weeks before the attacks, the U.S. government knew the names of two hijackers. It knew they were al-Qaida killers and that they were already in the United States. In fact, the two were living openly under their own names, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi. They used those names for financial transactions, flight school, to earn frequent flier miles, and to procure a California identity card.

Despite this paper trail, and despite having two and a half weeks to follow the scent, the FBI couldn't locate either man—at least not until Sept. 11, when they flew American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon. If we had found them, there is a real possibility that most or all of the hijackings would have been prevented. The two shared addresses with Mohamed Atta, who flew into the North Tower of the World Trade Center, and Marwan Al-Shehhi, who flew into the South Tower. They were linked to most of the other hijackers as well. So August 2001 offered our last chance to foil the attacks. And if we want to stop the next attack, we need to know what went wrong in August 2001. Despite all the resources of our intelligence and law enforcement agencies, we did not find two known terrorists living openly. How could we have failed so badly in such a simple, desperate task?

We couldn't find al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi in August 2001 because we had imposed too many rules designed to protect against privacy abuses that were mainly theoretical. We missed our best chance to save the lives of 3,000 Americans because we spent more effort and imagination guarding against these theoretical privacy abuses than against terrorism.

I feel some responsibility for sending the government down that road.

In August 2001, the New York FBI intelligence agent looking for al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi didn't have the computer access needed to do the job alone. He requested help from the bureau's criminal investigators and was turned down. Acting on legal advice, FBI headquarters had refused to involve its criminal agents. In an e-mail to the New York agent, headquarters staff said: "If al- Midhar is located, the interview must be conducted by an intel[ligence] agent. A criminal agent CAN NOT be present at the interview. This case, in its entirety, is based on intel[ligence]. If at such time as information is developed indicating the existence of a substantial federal crime, that information will be passed over the wall according to the proper procedures and turned over for follow-up criminal investigation."

In a reply message, the New York agent protested the ban on using law enforcement resources for intelligence investigations in eerily prescient terms: "[S]ome day someone will die—and wall or not—the public will not understand why we were not more effective and throwing every resource we had at certain 'problems.' Let's hope the [lawyers who gave the advice] will stand behind their decisions then, especially since the biggest threat to us now, UBL [Usama Bin Laden], is getting the most 'protection.' "

It breaks my heart to read this exchange. That "wall"—between intelligence and law enforcement—was put in place to protect against a hypothetical risk to civil liberties that might arise if domestic law enforcement and foreign intelligence missions were allowed to mix. It was a post-Watergate fix meant to protect Americans, not kill them. In fact, in 1994, after I left my job as general counsel to the National Security Agency, I argued that the wall should be left in place because I accepted the broad assumption that foreign intelligence-gathering tolerates a degree of intrusiveness, harshness, and deceit that Americans do not want applied against themselves. I recognized at the time that these privacy risks were just abstract worries, but I accepted the conventional wisdom: "However theoretical the risks to civil liberties may be, they cannot be ignored." I foresaw many practical problems as well if the wall came down, and I argued for an approach that "preserves, perhaps even raises, the wall between the two communities."

I was wrong, but not alone, in assigning a high importance to theoretical privacy risks. In hindsight, that choice seems little short of feckless, for it made the failures of August and September 2001 nearly inevitable. In 2000 and 2001, the FBI office that handled al-Qaida wiretaps in the United States was thrown into turmoil because of the heights to which the wall had been raised. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Court, the body that oversees national security wiretaps, had ordered strict procedures to ensure that such wiretaps were not contaminated by law enforcement purposes. And when those procedures were not followed strictly, the court barred an FBI agent from the court because his affidavits did not fully list all contacts with law enforcement. This mushroomed into a privacy scandal that set the stage for 9/11.

In the spring and summer of 2001, with al-Qaida's preparations growing even more intense, the turmoil grew so bad that national security wiretaps were allowed to lapse—something that had never happened before. It isn't clear what intelligence we missed, but the loss of those wiretaps was treated as less troubling than the privacy scandal that now hung over the antiterrorism effort. The lesson was not lost on the rest of the bureau. According to a declassified Joint Intelligence Committee report on Sept. 11, "FBI personnel involved in FISA matters feared the fate of the agent who had been barred and began to avoid even the most pedestrian contact with personnel in criminal components of the Bureau or DOJ because it could result in intensive scrutiny by the Justice Department office that reviewed national security wiretaps and the FISA Court."

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2003/12/wall_nuts. html

By his own admission ,Bubba Clintoon said that on a number of occassions he had the opportunity to take out OBL ,and he declined because he had no 'legal standing ' to do so.

tomder55  posted on  2016-02-16   7:54:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: tomder55 (#13)

It's just plain wrong to blame Bush for 9-11 .

No it is not. Bush was a horrible President. He lied about WMD.

I knew it was bullshit.

I was laughing when Ollie North was doing his gas mask routine. I knew nothing was going to happen chemical weapons wise.

Saddam was letting the inspectors in.

No Bush wanted the war. Fuck him. Fuck the dumb asses that supported it. They were some real dumb fucks that supported the war. Like Hillary the cunt. Like Bush the murderer. Like Rumsfeld the dumb ass. Like Tom Ridge the nazi wanna be. The establishment pukes supported it. That is why puke Bush is at such a low perecnt. People hate the Bushes for what they did to the country.

Fuck Bush, Fuck everyone who carries Bush's water on these bullshit wars his piece of shit family gets us in. Pit.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-16   8:11:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#14)

You were replying to a post about 9/11 yet mentioned everything but.

redleghunter  posted on  2016-02-16   8:33:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: redleghunter (#19)

You were replying to a post about 9/11 yet mentioned everything but.

I suspect Bush or at least the CIA of being involved in 911. There I said it.

I said I suspect I don't know. Way to many inconsistencies.

Also I never heard of Al Qaeda prior to 911.

No one can ever show me them mentioned anywhere prior to 911.

The soldiers who fought in Iraq fought honorably. But honestly what did we gain from it? Even Bush said there were no WMD's.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-02-16   8:41:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone, redleghunter (#20) (Edited)

Also I never heard of Al Qaeda prior to 911.

No one can ever show me them mentioned anywhere prior to 911.

You just weren't paying attention during the good ole days of the Clintoon reign . When the 2nd plane hit the towers I turned to a co-worker and said "I bet Bin Laden did it" .

1993 AQ set off a car bomb in the WTC parking garage .6 killed and over 1,000 injured .

August of 1996, Osama bin Laden issued his first fatwa, entitled "Declaration of War Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places," Feb 1998 he issued a 2nd fatwa against the US

1998 AQ bombs 2 American embassies in Africa . 200 people killed and 5,000 injured 1999 AQ fails an attempt to bomb LAX 1999 AQ attacks US Cole 17 killed 39 injured .

Before that the CIA was monitoring OBL in Sudan 1991 -1992 1996 the CIA already had a special Bin Laden unit .

Based on a review of the Lexis-Nexus database, the term al-Qaeda is first mentioned in the mainstream media August 14, 1996 by UPI .

tomder55  posted on  2016-02-16   9:28:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: tomder55 (#23)

Based on a review of the Lexis-Nexus database, the term al-Qaeda is first mentioned in the mainstream media August 14, 1996 by UPI .

Can you provide me a link. I can never find anything.

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