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Title: Crook’s arm ripped off after failed robbery attempt
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NY Daily News
URL Source: http://nypost.com/2016/02/12/crooks ... -after-failed-robbery-attempt/
Published: Feb 12, 2016
Author: Tina Moore, Larry Celona, Shawn Cohen an
Post Date: 2016-02-13 08:44:51 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 4706
Comments: 36
A 17-year-old robber’s arm was severed in Brooklyn after he held up a 39-year-old man at gunpoint for a pair of pricey sneakers, police sources said. Through the app Wallapop, the pair had arranged to meet up at 1 p.m. on Friday in Canarsie. But when the seller showed up, asking $490 for a pair of Air Jordan 8 Retro sneakers, the teen crook pulled out a gun and demanded the kicks for free inside the older man’s car, police sources said. The 39-year-old stepped on the gas pedal, but the gunman jumped out of his car at the intersection of East 86th Street and Avenue M, sources said. Instead of speeding off, the seller turned his car around and drove after the teenager, crashing into him in front of a fence. The robber’s arm was ripped off when he was pinned against the fence. “I saw a kid under a car,” said Alex Saint Fleur, a bus driver who lives across the street. “The guy ran him over. He got out, the driver said, ‘He’s trying to rob me. He’s trying to rob me.’” “I saw the gun on the floor,” Fleur added. “The arm was on the floor near the gun.” The teen got out from under the car, he said, and ran inside a city bus. “Everyone is screaming, ‘Come back, come back, your arm. You’re bleeding too much,’” Fleur said. The crook got out of the bus and started running down Avenue M, he said, before finally collapsing in the street. The teen was taken to Brookdale Hospital, where he remains in serious but stable condition, law enforcement sources said. The 39-year-old driver will likely be arrested, according to police sources. On Friday afternoon, the bus was pulled over on 80th Street, blood spattered on its front entrance. “I was walking up the sidewalk and I heard a boom behind me,” said a postal worker who declined to give her name. “I just kept it moving. I saw somebody run on the bus with a missing arm.” 
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#1. To: cranky (#0)
The driver will be convicted.
Yes, the driver will be convicted. You have the right to defend yourself, and you have the right to flee. But if you flee, you do not have the right to return and kill (or try to). Maybe you should, maybe it appeals to your sense of justice, but you don't. So if you do it, as this guy did, you go to jail for attempted murder. He will also be sued by the victim - for once the guy turned around and came back and crashed the kid into the fence and tore his arm off, the would-be robber was transformed into the victim of the second crime. He will be sued, and he will lose: the victim will get compensation because he has been crippled for life by an attempted murder. Is it fair? Is it just? I'm not sure in a cosmic sense. I know that if I were King, the law would not insist that the original crime somehow "broke off" when the original intended victim retreated. A man pointed a deadly weapon at him, and that vicious criminal is still out there with a gun, so I personally think that the guy turning around and crashing the gun- toting attacker into the wall was doing the equivalent of removing a rabid dog from the street. If I were King, the original criminal, the robber, would not be considered a victim. He would be treated, and incarcerated nd rehabilitated. The guy with the car would also be rehabilitated for a shorter time period, with warnings not to go out and become a vigilante, but without punishment for this crime. The criminal's severed arm would cover most of the penalty phase - no long prison term for attempted robbery - he won't be doing that again - he learned his lesson the very bitterly hard way. I would try to induce the young armless theif into becoming part of the "Scared Straight" program to graphically demonstrate the price of crime to other young people. I don't really know if YHWH would approve of that or not, but that's what my approach to justice would be, if I were King. Once you point deadly weapons, you're offering to commit murder. And that can be replied to with death. I do not believe that if somebody escapes death, that it is wrong for him to return and neutralize the threat that offered him death. I understand that that would result in a lot more killing, but I think that most of the people who would get killed are the sort that need killing. I'm not keen on spending a lot of my people's money caging criminals. I'd prefer people handle these things themselves. So yes, under OUR system the driver will be convicted, and he'll lose the civil case for maiming. That is a virtual certitude. But our system of justice is not, and never has been, very just or very smart.
He does have a right and a duty to stop the robber by any means necessary and subdue him. If the criminal resist including running then its his fault he gets hurt or killed. There can be no good if evil is protected by laws.
Under the laws of some nations in some time periods, perhaps. Just not this one at this time.
Yes he will be convicted. Assuming that the story is correct and he was robbed he should have the right to put a bullet the robbers brain without punishment. This was not a snatch and grab this was a robber using a deadly weapon to steal. The system is rigged for the criminals and the criminals will keep doing what they do until they bring everyone down to their level. ie Chicago and New Jersey come to mind where criminals run the show and good run and hide. If I were on the jury I would not convict just because the robber used a weapon. Its a sad day when criminals rule the city and the law.
It probably won't get to trial. The video shows that the driver was no longer in fear for his life. BUT, let's say it was an undercover cop selling the shoes. Now we have a felon, fleeing, with a gun. The cop is allowed to use deadly force under the "fleeing felon" rule. In this case the citizen used his car to stop him, and the perp was not killed. So it could have been worse.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestInstead of speeding off, the seller turned his car around and drove after the teenager, crashing into him in front of a fence.
#3. To: TooConservative (#1)
#18. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative (#3)
Yes, the driver will be convicted. You have the right to defend yourself, and you have the right to flee. But if you flee, you do not have the right to return and kill (or try to).
#19. To: Justified (#18)
a right and duty to stop...any means necessary
#21. To: Vicomte13 (#19)
Under the laws of some nations in some time periods, perhaps. Just not this one at this time.
#22. To: Justified (#21)
"Yes he will be convicted."
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