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Title: The Big Loss For Donald Trump: The Dog That Didn't Bark [new voters, Iowa]
Source: AceOfSpades
URL Source: http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=361319
Published: Feb 2, 2016
Author: Ace
Post Date: 2016-02-03 08:31:44 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 9542
Comments: 59

Before getting to that, let me pass along a theory from Pat Caddell. Pat Caddell noted that New Hampshire voted for Clinton in 2008, after Obama had won Iowa.

He doesn't think New Hampshire really loved Clinton. Rather, given that Obama had won Iowa, New Hampshire voters were confronted with a dilemma: If we vote for Obama, essentially Obama is the winner of the entire primary. Back to back wins will make him nigh-unstoppable.

Caddell's idea is that it wasn't that New Hampshire was really backing Clinton, so much as it was saying "Let's make sure this Obama is really acceptable, let's have a longer nomination process."

He thinks that given all the talk that if Trump won Iowa (given his big lead in New Hampshire) that the nomination would be all but his caused Iowa voters, this time, to take a step back and ask: Do we really want such a short nomination process? Are we really entirely comfortable with Trump? Maybe we should keep kicking the tires on this thing a while longer and vote for Cruz (and also, the huge third-place finisher who really won everything, Marco Rubio).

That's a theory. However, here's another important consideration.

All along, I have been open to the idea of a Trump candidacy on the possibility that there was an X Factor lurking out there, a mass of voters -- doesn't have to be huge, just 2-3% would be plenty big -- who were disaffected from the political system but who could be induced into it by the Trump candidacy.

Personally, I felt like Iowa in Caddell's theory. I was interested in this idea, while not being convinced it was actually accurate. I, too, wanted a longer nomination process to test this theory of Democrats crossing over to Trump, and long-alienated Perot/Buchanan voters rejoining the process.

Trump's second place finish is not some huge setback -- except that it calls into question the size of this hypothesized block of Trump voters willing to vote for Trump but not other candidates.

Trump's three big selling points are his position on immigration, his rejection of politically correct norms, and the possibility he can motivate a large block of disaffected voters back into the political process.

After Iowa, I don't know how much juice this third consideration has in it. In a way, Trump's good performance with evangelicals is bad for him, because we already knew evangelicals had high voting rates -- that is, they were always already part of the political process. They were known votes.

Thus, to the extent you think Trump did well with evangelicals, you have to deduct those Already Known Voters from his hypothesized pool of Non-Voters Suddenly Becoming Voters.

While he probably does attract more of such voters than most -- and we can attribute a bit of the very high turnout to a few of those non-voters deciding to vote -- Trump's second-place finish suggests (though it does not prove) that Trump's X Factor might really be a rather less impressive Z Factor. Something that exists, but not in some kind of paradigm-disrupting size.

I suppose this is where entrance and exit polling could provide further tenuous clues.

But the big proof -- Trump rolls to a comfortable win in Iowa, powered by new voters -- did not happen. We're left with the possibility of lesser proofs, of a phenomenon of a lesser dimension.

It could be that Trump remains a viable candidate, and maybe even improves along the way (as he's improved already). But in the first big test of one of the most important justifications for his candidacy, he failed to deliver these long-sought-after Missing Voters.

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#1. To: TooConservative, loseability factor, high disaproval (#0)

The real Trump X-factor is the large numbers who turned out to vote AGAINST Trump. In Iowa the turnout increased from the previous record of 122,000 to 182,000 in order to vote for.... anybody but Trump.


Iowa Caucus: The Anybody But Trump Vote

[.....] Trump voters turned out — but so did the anti-Trump voters. Thousands and thousands of Iowans were motivated to go to the caucuses specifically to vote for somebody other than Trump.

I’m going to take this as a little vindication, as evidence that I got something right this time around. (It’s compensation for 2012, when it seemed like I got every election prediction wrong.) I had pointed out that, while Trump has the fanatical support of one faction of voters, he also has the most negatives, the most Republican voters who hate the whole idea of him. Iowa bears that out. Trump doesn’t just motivate people to vote for him; he also motivates a lot of Republicans to vote against him and for somebody else.

The main beneficiary of this was Ted Cruz, who had put the most effort into the state and had the biggest ground game operation to get out the vote. [.....]

Hondo68  posted on  2016-02-03   9:14:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: hondo68 (#1)

[.....] Trump voters turned out — but so did the anti-Trump voters. Thousands and thousands of Iowans were motivated to go to the caucuses specifically to vote for somebody other than Trump.

There can be no denying there were a significant number of the anti-Trump voters who turned out, just as there were certainly some actual new Trump voters.

For all we hear from pundits about the Iowa vote, we often don't hear a very detailed analysis of it. I'm sure the top campaigns are still poring over the details and demographics of the Iowa vote, using it to strategize further in upcoming states. This is where Trump, with his lack of top campaign help, starts to have a disadvantage. This often happens to the lone-wolf candidates. One primary result can reveal weaknesses their more savvy opponents can capitalize on, using marketing strategies, social networking and so on.

As with real-world military battles, first engagements with the enemy can tell you a lot and help you to shape your tactics (in various primaries) and your strategy (to win the nomination).

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-02-03   9:47:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TooConservative (#4)

"As with real-world military battles, first engagements with the enemy can tell you a lot ..."

Huckabee won the Iowa primary in 2008. Santorum won the Iowa primary in 2012. Tells me that Iowa picks losers.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-03   10:04:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: misterwhite (#5)

Huckabee won the Iowa primary in 2008. Santorum won the Iowa primary in 2012. Tells me that Iowa picks losers.

Maybe it should tell you that the roles of IA & NH as the early caucus/primary states is to narrow the field of candidates, exactly as it has done.

Now Paul and Huckabee are out after Iowa and probably two (or all three) of the Bush/Kasich/Christie trio will be out after New Hampshire.

If the job of Iowa and New Hampshire is to "pick a winner", then why do we even bother to vote in the rest of the states?

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-02-03   10:11:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: TooConservative (#6)

"If the job of Iowa and New Hampshire is to "pick a winner", then why do we even bother to vote in the rest of the states?"

That's my point. They don't.

You're the one who said, "first engagements with the enemy can tell you a lot"

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-03   10:22:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#38. To: misterwhite (#9)

"If the job of Iowa and New Hampshire is to "pick a winner", then why do we even bother to vote in the rest of the states?" That's my point. They don't.

You're the one who said, "first engagements with the enemy can tell you a lot"

It tells you a lot about the viability of campaigns advancing.

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