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Title: Franklin Graham: ‘Islam and Christianity Clearly Do Not Worship the Same God’
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Published: Jan 24, 2016
Author: Thomas D Williams, PhD
Post Date: 2016-01-24 20:55:03 by cranky
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In a series of tweets late Saturday night, Graham, the son of evangelist Billy Graham, laid out his opposition to the recommendation of the college’s faculty council that the school drop its plans to terminate a professor who published her belief that Islam and Christianity worship the same God, which Graham said was “no minor issue.” Professor Hawkins of @WheatonCollege published her belief that Islam & Christianity worship the same God. This is no minor issue. 1/3 — Franklin Graham (@Franklin_Graham) January 23, 2016 I can tell you–Islam and Christianity clearly do not worship the same God. https://t.co/p6wa8YzbGJ 2/3 — Franklin Graham (@Franklin_Graham) January 23, 2016 Islam denies that God has a Son. They deny that Jesus is God. They do not believe in a Triune God– Father, Son, & Holy Spirit. 3/3 — Franklin Graham (@Franklin_Graham) January 23, 2016 How the faculty council at @WheatonCollege can support Professor Hawkins being allowed to teach students is deeply concerning. — Franklin Graham (@Franklin_Graham) January 23, 2016 In December 2015, Larycia Hawkins, who teaches political science at Wheaton College, was put on administrative leave after wearing a hijab to school in solidarity with Muslims. Wheaton is a private evangelical Christian college, which has sometimes been called the “evangelical Harvard” because of its reputation for academic rigor. AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast Hawkins announced that she would wear the hijab to demonstrate support for Muslims in the aftermath of the shootings in Paris and San Bernardino, California. She also used the gesture as a platform to express her belief that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. In a separate Facebook post, Graham said both his father and mother attended Wheaton College, where they met for the first time. “I’m surprised and disappointed that the faculty council there is now recommending the college drop their plans to terminate a professor who published that she believed Islam and Christianity worship the same God in December. This is no minor issue that should be debated,” Graham wrote. The fundamental issue for Graham is the theological question of the nature of God and therefore the mission of the college. “Islam denies that God has a Son,” Graham wrote. “They deny that Jesus is God. They do not believe in a Triune God–the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I can tell you–Islam and Christianity clearly do not worship the same God.” “How the faculty council can now support this professor being allowed to teach students is deeply concerning,” he concludes. The Wheaton College website, which identifies the school as “explicitly Christian,” includes a statement of faith that unequivocally lays out its Christian beliefs. “WE BELIEVE in one sovereign God, eternally existing in three persons: the everlasting Father, His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, and the Holy Spirit, the giver of life; and we believe that God created the Heavens and the earth out of nothing by His spoken word, and for His own glory,” it reads. In her defense, Hawkins wrote: “I stand in religious solidarity with Muslims because they, like me, a Christian, are people of the book,” though it is unclear which “book” she was referring to, since the portrayal of God in the Christian Bible differs on a number of essential points from that offered in the Qur’an. Being people of a book could just as well apply to Maoists following the “little red book.” The Catechism of the Catholic Church, for instance, states that the “Christian faith is not a ‘religion of the book.’ Christianity is the religion of the ‘Word’ of God, ‘not a written and mute word, but incarnate and living.’” Hawkins also invoked Pope Francis as having stated “we worship the same God,” though such an affirmation is not without ambiguity. To say, as Francis did, that Muslims “worship the one living and merciful God, and call upon him in prayer,” means at minimum that Muslims do not worship an idol, or false God, but it does not imply that their understanding of God coincides with that of Christians. While Christians, Jews, and Muslims all claim to worship “the God of Abraham,” the understanding that each has of God is not theologically identical. While all monotheists intend to worship the one God, their beliefs concerning who God is vary considerably–and sometimes in essential points, as Graham pointed out. Thus, in 2007, Cardinal Gerhard Müller, now the prefect of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, could assert that Muslims and Christians “do not believe in the same God,” underscoring the differences in doctrine concerning who God is. Christians may well continue to debate the matter of whether in their worship of God, or “Allah,” Muslims are really worshipping the God of the Bible—the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. For now, one prominent evangelist has said “no.” 
Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God, celebrated evangelist Franklin Graham said in response to the controversial claim by a faculty member at Wheaton College in Illinois.
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#1. To: cranky (#0)
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I'm sure you could find Jewish rabbis who would tell you that Judaism and Christianity do not worship the same god. We try to bridge these divides by wallpapering over them with terms like Judeo-Christian. Even though I've never met a Judeo-Christian or seen a Judeo-Christian church. You see a similar habit to try to lump Islam with Judaism and Christianity under the term "Abrahamic religion". Judaism does have a lot more in common with Islam than either has with Christianity.
She looks like a winner out to make a name for herself.
Why not have three or more Gods? Each one would be as intellectually and scientifically defended as the other and everybody would be happy. Contests between several Gods could be used as an explanation for the problems occurring here on earth and elsewhere. Such explanations would solve a lot of beffuddlements.
God revealed his word to the Jews. He kept part of it hidden. The New Testament is the old testament revealed. It is bizarre that a christian such as yourself would make such a ridiculous statement.
That's easy, She's part of the trendy program to achieve racial diversity. Fire her and you'll be prosecuted for racial discrimination and a hate crime.
It is about time Christians stood up and refuted the crap that waters down their core beliefs, irrespective of what the source is. Mudhutmad set out to refute a religion he knew little about. Nothing he said about Jesus or Christianity can be taken as truth or even informed opinion. Allah is the name of the moon god worshipped by the Arabians and this is not the same as YHWH. Islam in recent time demonstrated how devoid it is of worthwhile values through its value to universally refute the views of the Salafists and daesh
To take just one example, both Judaism and Islam are fanatically monotheistic. Christianity has a Trinity instead. Neither Islam nor Judaism has a son of God in them. Even Judaism's Messiah is not a co-equal Son of God. You can't entirely ignore these differences.
Christianity has a Trinity instead. Neither Islam nor Judaism has a son of God in them. TC "us" is plural. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Again. "Us" is plural. Genesis 3:22King James Version (KJV) 22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Again "us" is plural. Genesis 11:7-9King James Version (KJV) 7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. 8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
Her support for the muslims, this would mean she supported the murder of the people in Paris, and in San Bernardino. Then she will have no reason to complain if one of the survivors, or a family member of one of the victims, puts a 230 gr FMJ between her eyes. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood
One more for now. Now remember I said the New Testament is just the Old Testament revealed and clarified. Now for the trinity mentioned again in the old testament. Isaiah 48:16King James Version (KJV) 16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
And would you apply your literal reading to Genesis 6? 6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Then she will have no reason to complain if one of the survivors, or a family member of one of the victims, puts a 230 gr FMJ between her eyes. You're prohibited from doing that because she's a fucking intellectual. Intellectuals are allowed to be insulting and repugnant to reason as an expression of creativity without interference.
Tuff shit! My opinion is still the same !! ;) Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood
Tuff shit! My opinion is still the same !!
Thanks Robert !! I had a feeling you would agree ! Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood
That means that Adam and Eves children had sex with each other to perpetuate the species.
But the sons of Adam and Eve are just called Cain and Abel. They were never called sons of God. Would you call Cain a "son of God"? In the Bible, the title "sons of God" is pretty rare, though you see it used at least 8 times in the New Testament to indicate Christians.
In the Bible, the title "sons of God" is pretty rare, though you see it used at least 8 times in the New Testament to indicate Christians. They were sons of God. God created Adam and Eve. Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't this before the fall?
What difference would that make? Clearly, you have a problem with your literal reading in Genesis 6. You're trying to explain away why "sons of God" as used in Genesis does not mean "sons of God" in the sense of Christians in various New Testament passages or the term "son of God" as applied to Jesus alone, not to Abraham or David or Solomon or any other Jew. So you are saying "sons of God" denotes Cain and Abel (possibly among other sons of Adam and Eve)? Seriously?
Yikes! Did those pale faced bike helmeted Mormons finally beat your door down! Resist the error! For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
So you are saying "sons of God" denotes Cain and Abel (possibly among other sons of Adam and Eve)? Seriously? Clearly you are yanking his chain as you know the correct answer. Unless you have recently changed from your Trinitarian beliefs. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
we are all "sons of God" it is just that some don't recognise it. Just because some are sinners doesn't mean they arn't "sons of God", noone is perfect. Please send you time working on what the message of Jesus really was, I see nothing that wasn't inclusive however much the religious want to make rules and exclude everyone who doesn't fit. What it needs is recognising change is necessary whoever you are
You make it sound like a pop psychology self-help program or a 10-step program. That isn't what the Bible seems to describe. I don't think your own personal definition of "sons of God" matches any use of that term in Genesis or the many times it was used in the New Testament.
They congregate regularly nearby. I am fully prepared to rebuke them if they come knocking on the door. : )
What the Bible clearly describes is a relationship, a direct relationship between Jesus and every person, If some don't know this truth they have missed the message. Thinking of the theme of this thread, clearly Mudhutmad was one of those who missed it and all his followers have missed it too. Jesus was never about forcing anyone or subjecting anyone to violence but we have never learned to rely entirely on him
Clearly you are full of it. Clearly you don't believe the Bible is 100 percent accurate. On the other hand I think God and his Bible are infallible. You think there are mistakes. I don't. Seems you have the problem with a literal reading. You also asked what difference it would make it it was after the fall. Well the relationship changed.
But we were talking about the use of the phrase "sons of God" in Genesis (and in the New Testament). It is a specific phrase, very distinctive. It must have some defined meaning. You can't just assert that it refers to Cain and Abel (and any other unnamed brothers) in Genesis. It should be mentioned that there are quite a number of writers who think "sons of God" in Genesis 6 refers to Seth and his clan, a holy people who supposedly lived in the mountains separate from Cain's descendants (according to Arab legends). Seth's clan were pleasing to God, unlike the increasingly degenerate Cain clan. Genesis leaves out a lot of details unfortunately.
Just your literal reading of it.
That is a good stupid one. Here is what I think it means. They were the sons of God. What do you think sons of God means?
The text declares them as such. But what did they mean by that specifically? Vic loves these Genesis discussions.
Genesis is crucial because it establishes the definitions of words, of origins and of structures of the rest of Scripture. Of course, my belief in God does not repose on Scripture at all. Scripture, for me, is a reference book to clarify things (perhaps), regarding God, and a source to see what men wrote down that God said.
I thought you might have a comment on the phrase 'sons of God' in the text of Genesis 6.
I do. But I look at the audience and I know what will happen if I open my word hoard and speak. So I am holding back, because I'm tired of getting spit on for telling the truth.
I assume you would rely on apocryphal texts. Is that any more far out than my mention of the Arab legends? It's also interesting to learn more about Greek vs. Hebrew versions of Genesis in the centuries before and after the time of Christ. Also, the obvious role of the Oral History in this matter. You can't bring the same level of manuscript evidence for the O.T. in the centuries before Christ in the way you can with versions of the New Testament known in the first- and second-century churches. The evidence gets pretty thin for everyone, Catholics, Prots, Muslims, whoever. We all think we know what these mean in general terms but most often, we have only agreed not to discuss it. Which is what you're doing, despite your many offers to go through Genesis, studying it verse by verse. : )
Title: Franklin Graham: ‘Islam and Christianity Clearly Do Not Worship the Same God’
#2. To: cranky (#0)
Hawkins announced that she would wear the hijab to demonstrate support for Muslims in the aftermath of the shootings in Paris and San Bernardino, California. She also used the gesture as a platform to express her belief that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.
#3. To: cranky (#0)
‘Islam and Christianity Clearly Do Not Worship the Same God’
#4. To: TooConservative (#1)
Judaism does have a lot more in common with Islam than either has with Christianity.
#5. To: cranky (#0)
How the faculty council at @WheatonCollege can support Professor Hawkins being allowed to teach students is deeply concerning.
#6. To: TooConservative (#1)
#7. To: A K A Stone (#4)
It is bizarre that a christian such as yourself would make such a ridiculous statement.
#8. To: TooConservative (#7)
To take just one example, both Judaism and Islam are fanatically monotheistic.
#9. To: TooConservative (#7)
#10. To: TooConservative (#7)
#11. To: rlk (#2)
" Hawkins announced that she would wear the hijab to demonstrate support for Muslims in the aftermath of the shootings in Paris and San Bernardino, California."
#12. To: TooConservative (#7)
#13. To: A K A Stone (#12)
Now for the trinity mentioned again in the old testament.
So is this telling us that Jesus and his "brothers" were running around in Genesis 6 having sex with hot chicks?
Genesis 6 King James Version (KJV)
#14. To: Stoner (#11)
this would mean she supported the murder of the people in Paris, and in San Bernardino.
#15. To: rlk (#14)
" You're prohibited from doing that because she's a fucking intellectual. Intellectuals are allowed to be insulting and repugnant to reason as an expression of creativity without interference. "
#16. To: Stoner (#15)
" You're prohibited from doing that because she's a fucking intellectual. Intellectuals are allowed to be insulting and repugnant to reason as an expression of creativity without interference. "
Good! Strive to maintain your attitude. Don't let the bastards wear you down.
#17. To: rlk (#16)
" Good! Strive to maintain your attitude. Don't let the bastards wear you down "
#18. To: TooConservative (#13)
Anyway, it's interesting that you support Trump and so do I. Perhaps you have not thought through what stopping illegal immigration, having universal health care that isn't Obamacare, and putting a tarriff on Chinese goods MEANS.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#18)
That means that Adam and Eves children had sex with each other to perpetuate the species.
#20. To: TooConservative (#19)
But the sons of Adam and Eve are just called Cain and Abel. They were never called sons of God. Would you call Cain a "son of God"?
#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)
Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't this before the fall?
#22. To: TooConservative, A K A Stone (#13)
So is this telling us that Jesus and his "brothers" were running around in Genesis 6 having sex with hot chicks?
#23. To: TooConservative (#21)
Clearly, you have a problem with your literal reading in Genesis 6. You're trying to explain away why "sons of God" as used in Genesis does not mean "sons of God" in the sense of Christians in various New Testament passages or the term "son of God" as applied to Jesus alone, not to Abraham or David or Solomon or any other Jew.
#24. To: TooConservative (#21)
#25. To: paraclete (#24)
we are all "sons of God" it is just that some don't recognise it. Just because some are sinners doesn't mean they arn't "sons of God", noone is perfect. Please send you time working on what the message of Jesus really was, I see nothing that wasn't inclusive however much the religious want to make rules and exclude everyone who doesn't fit. What it needs is recognising change is necessary whoever you are
#26. To: redleghunter (#22)
Yikes! Did those pale faced bike helmeted Mormons finally beat your door down!
#27. To: TooConservative (#25)
That isn't what the Bible seems to describe.
#28. To: TooConservative (#21)
Clearly, you have a problem with your literal reading in Genesis 6.
#29. To: paraclete, redleghunter, A K A Stone (#27)
What the Bible clearly describes is a relationship, a direct relationship between Jesus and every person, If some don't know this truth they have missed the message.
#30. To: A K A Stone (#28)
Seems you have the problem with a literal reading.
#31. To: TooConservative (#30)
Just your literal reading of it.
#32. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#31)
Here is what I think it means. They were the sons of God.
#33. To: TooConservative (#32)
Vic loves these Genesis discussions.
#34. To: Vicomte13 (#33)
#35. To: TooConservative (#34)
I thought you might have a comment on the phrase 'sons of God' in the text of Genesis 6.
#36. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter, A K A Stone (#35)
I do. But I look at the audience and I know what will happen if I open my word hoard and speak. So I am holding back, because I'm tired of getting spit on for telling the truth.
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