On the Saturday broadcast of “Justice” on Fox News Channel, GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump called in and discussed National Review, who published a so-called anti-Trump manifesto entitled “Against Trump.”
“Well, it’s a failing magazine, you know that. It’s been failing badly, and they’re getting some publicity,” Trump said of National Review.
He later added, “I can only say this — the National Review is a failing publication. It’s not going to be around long. And they’ll get some publicity. A lot of the writers think it’s going to help me more because people are tired of the negativity from these people. All they do is talk, but they don’t have solutions to anything, and so I mean, I’m fine with it. I’m not going to be reading it because I don’t read it very much anyway. But a lot of people don’t read it anymore.”
#2. To: cranky, tomder55, redleghunter, misterwhite, A K A Stone (#0)
He later added, “I can only say this — the National Review is...
As with Trump's favorite verse in "Two Corinthians", this is the first time I've ever heard anyone call it "the National Review". It's like Trump doesn't really know if it's a magazine or one of those newsprint publications like New York Review of Books. I have to wonder if Trump has ever seen a copy of National Review at all.
This seems like a petty item to mention but it is increasingly part of a pattern of Trump spewing things out without appearing to know anything at all about them.
Trump: "Yeah, that Bible is the only book greater than my own epic bestseller. Being such a devout Presbyterian, I especially liked that story about the Two Corinthians and the Three Wise Guys."
It is a little surreal to see this orange tycoon being sold as the Great White Hope.
It is a little surreal to see this orange tycoon being sold as the Great White Hope.
After eight years of the Kenyan mulatto's divisive policies and edicts, it seems predictable enough to me.
I still don't think either national committee will put him on their ticket but I really enjoy Trump calling out the career and second generation Republicrats and their enablers for what the are.
There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
It is a little surreal to see this orange tycoon being sold as the Great White Hope.
If the Republican Establishment had not been treacherous incompetents for 40 years - if they, instead, had used their many turns at power to actually FIX things - there would be Donald Trump.
Fact is, the Republicans HAD POWER for years and years, and the country fell to pieces on their watch.
People don't like the Left - Americans are naturally conservative - but the Republicans betrayed the people in favor of the rich. It's one the reasons Donald Trump IS so rich - a game, rigged by the Republicans, in favor of the rich.
But the jig is up. The broad bulk of the American people have suffered too much, and the rich have had it too good, and the Republicans get elected to change that, and instead they accelerate it.
Everybody sees it, and everybody knows that Republicans and the Right lies like they breathe. So nobody listens to their yowling lies about Trump. Nobody cares. The Republicans have lost all credibility, and they don't have a future in an America they have lied to too much.
Back in the days of Perot, people weren't ready to throw in for a third party guy. They still had hope that the GOP would get the message. After Clinton, there was the hope that the GOP would get the message. Nope. They continued to screw the nation in favor of the rich.
So now, you have these men of the right who have been used to getting away with treachery for years, trying it AGAIN, throwing crap at Trump. Nobody cares except them. They see their power, and most importantly their money, threatened (and they're right about that - the middle class IS going to tax them, hard, to close the gap and stabilize things), And so they try the usual lies and insinuations and "unqualified" crap that didn't work against Obama either.
But now, nobody cares. The Republicans have destroyed the middle class and working class so badly that the broad back of the American people no longer listens to them, trusts them, believes them. Trump focuses directly on issues that have hurt the middle class: immigration and free trade. The Establishment tries to make it personal about Trump.
The fact that the Republican Establishment hates Trump must mean that Trump is good, because the Republican Establishment are crooks. They must fear him, that he will wreck their power and wealth.
That's a good reason to vote for him.
They managed to turn the Tea Party into their own controlled group, but they cannot control Trump, and when he gets power - which he will - it will be against their enmity.
There is nothing more satisfying than punishing your enemies once you've won, and there is no better way to punish the rich for waging war against you than by taking away their money, which is the basis of their power.
It's always been class warfare. Democrats have been the party of the really poor, and the blacks. Republicans have become the party of the super-rich. Trump is going to take over the Republican Party for the Middle Class, and turn around the cannons of public power to take back the excessive power and wealth the rich have accumulated, and reinvest it in the middle class.
The rich know it, and they hate him for it. But this is a democracy, after all, and they've spent 40 years pissing on the middle class. Now they are going to have to drink the piss themselves.
And it's great! I'm very happy.
America should be governed for the benefit of the middle class and working class. The rich can be allowed to get rich, within reason, but they cannot be allowed to have their wealth control the government again. The Republican Establishment represents the collective power of wealth.
The middle class has to destroy them at the ballot box by electing Trump. And then Trump has to use the power of government, which the rich used to run the table, to take BACK the wealth that the rich corruptly stole through regulation and selective taxation.
Redisrtibute the money from the rich to the middle and working class, and the poverty rate, crime rate, drug rate, depression rate, obesity rate - all of - will go down.
The rich will scream like boiled cats, but where else can they go?
As to the dark threats about emigrating. Go ahead. You're still a US citizen and you pay taxes for ten years after you renounce it. And if you go set up your factories in Paraguay to ignore US law, just remember that you will have to pay the tarriff at the US Border that takes back all of the price advantage you got by making the stuff in a place where there are no labor or environmental protections.
The game is over. Republicans governed so badly for so long, they no longer have a pot to piss in. The Middle Class and Working Classes have awakened, they're going to put Trump in office, and Trump is going to enjoy using power to crush the people who have come after him during the election.
And the middle class is going to enjoy watching those bastards get crushed, and cheer Trump on as he does it.
And the rich like Buffett will actually support Trump eventually too. It was Buffett who observed that politics in America had turned into class warfare, and that his class was winning.
Republicans and the Right lies like they breathe. So nobody listens to their yowling lies about Trump.
Lieing is a necessity when you don't have any ideas or concepts and are trying to hold onto third or fourth genertion inherited wealth while doing nothing.
The lamest nitpick of the year award for 2016 goes to TooConservative. And it's only January.
The National Review reported that Simmons said, “No, I don’t think so at all,” when asked whether he thought McMahon could win a race against state Attorney General Richard Blumenthal for the open Senate seat now held by retiring Sen. Chris Dodd (D).
this is the first time I've ever heard anyone call it "the National Review".
You need to let the National Review staff know.
This second volume of children’s stories, published by The National Review, is a selection of the very best stories, mostly taken from St Nicholas Magazine, published from 1874 to 1941.
#12. To: TooConservativecranky, redleghunter, misterwhite, A K A Stone (#2)(Edited)
I have to wonder if Trump has ever seen a copy of National Review at all.
I seriously doubt that either Trump ,or most of the critics of the NR position have read the full issue. I haven't finished it yet . The objections I've read that lead them to oppose the Trump candidacy are well thought out . What I have seen in response is the typical knee -jerk, attack the messenger responses.
And the rich like Buffett will actually support Trump eventually too. It was Buffett who observed that politics in America had turned into class warfare, and that his class was winning.
Trump's plan reduces tax rates pretty much across the board ;including corporate tax rates . It is one of the few things he gets right .
Buffett is a phony who keeps his taxable income at a minimum and then complains his secretary pays more.
I seriously doubt that either Trump ,or most of the critics of the NR position have read the full issue. I haven't finished it yet .
Hardly anyone except their subscribers have read any of their anti-Trump issue. I've seen very little coverage or quotes from it elsewhere. Everyone is talking about it but not about its contents.
#16. To: cranky, TooConservative, Vicomte13, CZ82, liberator, GarySpFc (#0)
NR is an echo chamber. Everyone listening to them were already supporting another candidate like JEB! or Rubio.
So what does this NR outlash do? Nothing to Trump's primary numbers. Nothing at all. It just makes his supporters dig in more like an Alabama tick and then draws attention to how powerless the party elite is.
What real effect is there? NR is basically coming out and admitting Trump will win the primary and they the elite will support Hitlery. She will take their money.
The party PACs are wasting money millions of dollars to take Trump down. No one is listening.
Best advice for the GOP is stop eating their own and let the candidates campaign and the people vote.
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
What real effect is there? NR is basically coming out and admitting Trump will win the primary and they the elite will support Hitlery. She will take their money.
The party PACs are wasting money millions of dollars to take Trump down. No one is listening.
Best advice for the GOP is stop eating their own and let the candidates campaign and the people vote.
When I think of National Review I think of William Crystal. I've never liked him. I don't like his arrogant condescending tone he always talks. His slow talking bullshit.
I can't believe Dan Quayle had that clown working for him.
I seriously doubt that either Trump ,or most of the critics of the NR position have read the full issue. I haven't finished it yet . The objections I've read that lead them to oppose the Trump candidacy are well thought out . What I have seen in response is the typical knee -jerk, attack the messenger responses.
Again it is what Peggy Noonan used to call an echo chamber.
We see it on Blogs too. Everyone in their own echo chambers agreeing.
One only has to visit FR or DU to see it.
Maybe this site LF is one of the only sites out there where not everyone is in lock step talking to themselves.
How about that Stone. Now be nice to your population and stop the potty mouth. You have something unique here.
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
I can't believe Dan Quayle had that clown working for him.
I can. They probably played tennis at "the club" often.
We wonder how some are raised to power and how some who would not even qualify to work a fast food drive thru run large corporations.
Big connections and old money goes a long way.
If we think Trump will destroy his own kind, we are fooling ourselves.
I believe Trump would go after his enemies if elected and they are all rich too. If he wins it will be a battle of the rich elite.
There will be casualties but that elite won't go away.
The only "good" from a President Trump would be the death of the pandering politicians. If a rich guy can run and win without the political apparatus then the party system is toast.
If this proves to be true, perhaps the two party system dies for a time.
Yet this also means a rich guy did it and we will be beholden to him.
Most folks know the above and don't care. That tells me how desperate we have become.
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
That is a good description of what Tomder does to me.
Tom is pointing out that poisoning the well only goes so far.
Is Trump right on most of his positions and statements. I believe he assesses our landscape and peril well. Yes I agree with most of what he says with regards to immigration, terrorism and national security.
However I seriously doubt he can do anything about the things he, you, I and others rail about.
Is his allure that we are all fed up? Yep.
Is Trump saying things we are thinking and have been thinking for years? Yep.
Can he deliver? I have serious doubts.
So I am clear, if it is Trump vs. DemonRAT Trump gets my vote.
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
#22. To: A K A Stone, redleghunter, Vicomte13, TooConservative (#17)
When I think of National Review I think of William Crystal. I've never liked him. I don't like his arrogant condescending tone he always talks. His slow talking bullshit.
I can't believe Dan Quayle had that clown working for him.
William Kristol wrote that Trumpism is two-bit Caesarism in the latest issue . You may think he is wrong ;but Vicomte13 boasts that Trump will assume dicatorial powers once in office to make the changes he thinks the country needs.So maybe they have a point . They see how effectively the emperor is at making his fundamental changes by exceeding his constitutional mandate. Now the conservative base is looking for their own dicatator to level the playing field . Up steps Trump who tells them everything they want to hear . And they support him without regard to his qualifications, statements, integrity, credibility, knowledge, consistency, etc. MAYBE he will effectively give them everything they want . But ,a benign dictator is still a dictator .
They see how effectively the emperor is at making his fundamental changes by exceeding his constitutional mandate.
You cannot have Imperium (called today International Community), without Imperator.
So either you resign from imperialism, take troops home, reduce defense by half and return to the original principles OR you keep on going to head-butt with the barbarian tribes and defiant powers of the East.
When I think of National Review I think of William Crystal. I've never liked him. I don't like his arrogant condescending tone he always talks. His slow talking bullshit.
I don't think Bill Kristol ever wrote for National Review, at least not as a staff writer or a columnist. Kristol has his own Weekly Standard magazine since 1996 where he writes the vast majority of his opinion pieces. WS was funded by Murdoch. WS competes with NR.
It is true: you cannot have Imperium without Imperator. That's the way it is.
Now, you know that I think that Imperium is an ultimately suicidal goal - that it is unattainable in the end, but that you can destroy everything you have pursuing it.
The current devastation left in the shrinking footprint of Wal Mart comes to mind. Wal Mart comes, and local goober politicians cut the throats of their ma and pa local groceries and drugstores in the dreams of "bigger tax revenues".
Then the goobers pass special zoning laws to ease WalMart in, give them tax breaks galore, let them have their way.
So they come in, the ma and pa stores go out of business because nobody can compete with the China price, and nobody can compete with a megalith that will slash its prices below profitability in order to put YOU out of business - without the Federal or State Trade Commissions taking regulatory action (because they are bought by imperator WalMart).
So then with the flick of an accountant's risk, WalMart decides that it will close hundreds of stores, and now those goober politicians who sacrificed their own neighbors looking for the mirage of "higher revenues" have to drive 50 miles to get groceries just like everybody else.
And the folks who used to run the grocery store, will they reopen? No. Their livelihoods were wiped out by WalMart. They can't come back. And will the town goobers extend all of those tax breaks and perks to their NEIGHBORS, to let them get back up? Of course not. Imperator gets tribute, little people get the back of the hand.
Tne entrenched rich will attempt to use the delaying power of government to maintain their advantages. They will oppose Trump. Trump will not have been elected by them or for them, but by the people, and we will use the same massive imperial powers that have accumulated in our government since government was used to enforce slavery and drive Indians off their land, to serve HIS constituency, which is me.
That which destroys Goldman Sachs and globalism helps me. That which destroys the Israel lobby and its shipping billions offshore...in order to entangle us in places in which I have no interests helps me. That which stops illegal immigration and stops the handing out of visas for skilled labor helps me.
Somebody wins and somebody loses. I am electing Trump so that MY class gets to win for a change. And that means that Trump gets to use, and abuse, all of the power that the crony capitalists have used and abused.
Trump is not of the same class as the globalists. His money is in real estate, which is inescapably local. Trump lives or dies economically on the local economies all across America. He can't just shut down a store, because HIS "stores" are brick and mortar, steel and glass where people LIVE. So HE needs most people to be living WELL, to fill his buildings and pay his rent.
Goldman Sachs employs a few thousand. The economy HERE that Goldman Sachs destroys employs millions and millions. It doesn't do TRUMP any good for Goldman to create millions of jobs in CHINA, because Trump's buildings are in New Jersey. Will Trump fix everything? Of course not. But big pieces: middle class taxes, while specifically targeting the carried interest deduction of big financiers - this is a big thing. Controlling immigration and the influx of Islam is a big thing. Causing foreigners with oil to PAY the Americans to provide security, instead of US subsidizing THEM - this is a big thing...because some WILL, and we will be richer for it, and others won't, and we will tell them to go to hell, they will be overthrown, the terrorists will cut off heads, and the rest will be inclined to pay the Americans the protection money, because the alternative is dying at the hand of their barbarian cousins. Getting rid of Obamacare and replacing it with a comprehensive system: you get it from your employer (the old system), or you get it from Medicare if you're retired (the old system), or you get it from Medicaid if you're poor (the old system) - or if you're none of those, you buy it from some sort of government sponsored insurance - the new thing that Trump proposes. This is different from Obamacare, because Obamacare destroys the CURRENT system and replaces the whole thing with a "private" system that cannot make money and has to be subsidized. Trump says that's dumb: private employer insurance, Medicare and Medicaid work. What needs to be added is government insurance to cover the workers whose employers don't provide, with the gap covered by taxes. It's expensive, but less expensive and disruptive than simply destroying the health insurance system, which Obamacare does. Those things are all good for my class, and generally good for the country. They harm specific minority interests. Currently those minority interests prevail to the detriment of the whole country, and my class in particular. Those minority interests have wielded all the power available, ruthlessly, to get what they have, illegitimately. I expect Trump will wield all of that power to undo that in the favor of what benefits the people who voted for him, and himself.
And if the towns refuse to make variances from the laws to let WalMart come in on the existing terms of law, then WalMart can't compete.
WalMart doesn't do it better. WalMart, like crony capitalists, gets special rules and tax breaks just for them. Then regular people cannot compete and go out of business.
Anyway, it's interesting that you support Trump and so do I. Perhaps you have not thought through what stopping illegal immigration, having universal health care that isn't Obamacare, and putting a tarriff on Chinese goods MEANS.
It means that Americans HAVE TO hire Americans, at higher wages. It means that businesses have to spend more money for labor. It means that either the budget deficit goes up or the taxes go up. And Trump has already said that the taxes WILL go up - on the rich. He has already said that his tax plan will cost him $700 million dollars over ten years, but it has to be done.
You rail angrily against the very thing that Trump will be establishing as national policy, because you hate struggling people, and that is exactly whom Trump's policies use government power to protect. He is aiming at regulating the market in a way that forces the rich to spend more money hiring Americans, employing Americans and pay taxes for the social safety network.
Part of this is internal, and the other part is keeping the foreign competition that makes WalMart possible out through tarriffs.
I think that if you actually understood Trump you'd oppose him, just as you would Jesus and YHWH if you actually understood what they say about economics in the Bible.
"National Review was built around a personality, that of Bill Buckley ..."
And let's remember that Bill Buckley was a self-proclaimed, capital "L" Libertarian, yet his successors are claiming to be "true conservatives" who couldn't get elected to dogcatcher based on their definition.
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
Why so? Wouldn't the tariffs apply to all retailers?
Yes, the tarriff applies to all retailers. But WalMart has benefited hugely from a double effect: they get the cheapest foreign goods in bulk, so they get the best China price, which is better than the price others get.
The net result of that is that WalMart has a particular advantage in rock- bottom prices because they own big chunks of the foreign export market.
Now enter a tarriff that imposes a tax on goods based upon their original purchase price, to bring the cost of the goods up to American standards.
Everybody pays the tarriff, but WalMart pays a lot more, because WalMart was getting the stuff cheaper already. So, those cost savings from organizing China are simply handed over to the government as larger taxes.
This IS a very substantial piece of WalMart's profit margin.
Also, the mass closings of WalMart stores after towns bent over backwards to get the WalMarts in...and had their own shopping bases wiped out, only to have WalMart leave - this will make it more difficult in the future for WalMart to be able to get the "We're WalMart, you must give us a tax rebate if we're going to move into your town" advantages they get out of local governments. Hundreds of communities, many in every state, will have played the WalMart lottery and gotten burnt badly.
With that sort of behavior, WalMart has fouled its own nest, but having their foreign price advantage extracted will mean that when it comes to many things, WalMart will lose its price advantage.
Take the price advantage away, and WalMart is not a particularly pleasant place to shop.
Yeah, but those tariffs will go away once we start manufacturing here with union labor.
And when that happens we'll long for the days of tariffs.
Making things with American labor will make things more expensive, absolutely.
It will also mean a lot less social welfare and crime.
Net-net, the added cost of hiring our neighbors will be more than offset by the diminished despair, poverty, policing, and welfare benefits.
It costs money for human beings to live at modern standards. That money either has to come from employment at wages that pay it, or from government. When it comes from government, you have high taxes, exploding debt, and millions of frustrated men with nothing to do.
Idle hands are the Devil's workshop.
Far better to have everybody in America employed at a wage that provides what is needed, than to have them unemployed and collecting benefits...and developing health problems from depression, and have exploding crime and every other damned dysfunctional thing.
We are our brother's keeper, and our fellow countrymen are our brothers.
We should not forget that peace. Social solidarity means that we do not let one another fall too far, and we take steps to make sure that the laggards keep up, even if that means that the leaders are bridled somewhat in the path.
The alternative, what we have, ends up concentrating the wealth in fewer and fewer hands, resulting in massive unemployment and underemployment in the US, followed by massive social expense, massive depression, massive obesity rates, massive crime - all of the bad.
Far better to take care of everybody and understand that the very rich at the top will be less relatively rich.
Everybody pays the tarriff, but WalMart pays a lot more
Only if it sells a lot more, with the same or greater profit per unit of imported goods as the other retailers, who also rely on outsourced production of the products they sell. Walmart's economy of scale advantage remains in place.
"Far better to have everybody in America employed at a wage that provides what is needed"
Pffft!
No one is hiring these uneducated, unskilled, zero-work-ethic, drug- using anti-social parasites today at $7.25 an hour much less at some inflated "living wage" of $15.00 an hour.
Besides, all the good-paying manufacturing jobs moved out to the suburbs decades ago, driven out of the cities by the aforementioned losers.
"Social solidarity means that we do not let one another fall too far"
They didn't fall. They jumped. They were given the same opportunities as everyone else and they threw them away.
-- "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat." 2 Thessalonians 3:10
If there is a 25% tariff, everyone pays 25% more for imports -- Walmart AND the smaller stores.
If that is how the tariff is calculated. If it is an equalization tariff, not a flat percentage tariff, then the level of tariff is imposed to bring the cost of goods up to the tariff level.
So, you pay $10 for something that has an equalization tariff of $11, you pay $1 of tariff. You pay $1 for the same thing, you pay $10 of tariff.
An equalization tariff establishes the price that must be paid to bring the good into the domestic market so as to eliminate the price advantage found by buying goods overseas. It is not a percentage, it is an amount added to bring the foreign product up to the US market price, eliminating all price advantages.
Then, if people STILL want to buy a lamp made in China for $50, they can. Or they can buy the $50 American lamp What they do not have is the choice between a $50 American lamp and a $10 Chinese lamp, because of the $40 equalization tariff. If WalMart pays only $5 for the lamp, they pay $45 dollars in equalization tariff.
WalMart is able to exist and run everybody out of business because they get the lowest "China price" (by "China" we also mean Indonesia, Vietnam, etc.) and there is no tariff.
People will still buy Gucci handbags and Mercedes Benz's, because they want that particular brand. And the tariffs won't affect those much because (a) those cars are already priced above the US market price for domestic cars and (b) many foreign cars are actually made here anyway.
But you cannot make "China Price" things in the USA, because the cost (or lack of cost) of labor in China is THE thing that makes the Chinese-made goods competitive. The equalization tariff takes away the price advantage COMPLETELY.
There is no "New Math" involved in it. And there was no cause to lead off with an insult.
No one is hiring these uneducated, unskilled, zero-work-ethic, drug- using anti-social parasites today at $7.25 an hour much less at some inflated "living wage" of $15.00 an hour.
Besides, all the good-paying manufacturing jobs moved out to the suburbs decades ago, driven out of the cities by the aforementioned losers.
"Social solidarity means that we do not let one another fall too far"
They didn't fall. They jumped. They were given the same opportunities as everyone else and they threw them away.
-- "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat." 2 Thessalonians 3:10
And then those jobs were driven out of the country by unfair trade.
You are not a young man. You are nearing a meeting with your Creator.
You had best rethink you utter hatred for your fellow man, whom you consider to be beneath your contempt, because when you have that meeting it is not going to be a pleasant one for you unless you repent.
It does not help your case to quote the Scripture as an excuse for hatred.
You will hear about this again. You know those people you speak of, who were all given the same opportunities but just threw them away.
You are one of them now, facing a new test, the next phase of life - and you are throwing it all away to justify continuing being an asshole.
On the other side, you will pay for your hatred just like the sad drug users are paying for their errors on this side.
You still have time to rethink, and you had better.
But you will do as you please.
The country is done with your type of mindset though. We're either going to have Trump style economic populism, or social democracy. Not your path, either way.
Yes, the tarriff applies to all retailers. But WalMart has benefited hugely from a double effect: they get the cheapest foreign goods in bulk, so they get the best China price, which is better than the price others get.
The net result of that is that WalMart has a particular advantage in rock- bottom prices because they own big chunks of the foreign export market.
A significant slice of Walmart customers are Trump supporters.
Once they figure out what you opine on above, I doubt they will support him in the general election.
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
